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"Why should the wealthy have to pay more taxes?"

Prove what? that he paid more in taxes than she did? That he paid more than his fair share? what exactly are you asking? your question is devoid of logic from where I stand.

The man's true genius is pretending that he sympathizes with the left wingers who whine about the rich while being a complete hypocrite-such as howling for more estate taxes while setting up trusts and charitable institutions thus avoiding paying any

He is not being hypocritical

He is using the system as set up to his advantage as would be expected. He has also stated the system needs to be changed, in order to prevent some of the advantages that he has gained from it
 
He uses the existing tax system to his advantage. Nothing dishonest about that. .

The dishonesty is him using the system to minimize his taxes by paying himself an absurdly low salary (less than say a GS-14 or a federal judge makes) and then WHINING that the system somehow is UNFAIR to his secretary.
 
The dishonesty is him using the system to minimize his taxes by paying himself an absurdly low salary (less than say a GS-14 or a federal judge makes) and then WHINING that the system somehow is UNFAIR to his secretary.

And yet is he is one of the 5 richest men in the world.

I think an absurdly low salary is the least of his concerns, when he has 30+ billion dollars in net assets

He is using the system to his advantage as I would expect anyone to do, what he is calling for is changing the system.
 
He is not being hypocritical

He is using the system as set up to his advantage as would be expected. He has also stated the system needs to be changed, in order to prevent some of the advantages that he has gained from it

That is silly. How many people are in the position to manipulate their own salary? My father was the CEO of a company-sat on the boards of 3 Fortune 500 companies and could no more set his own salary at the company he ran then say a federal judge or prosecutor can set his or her own salary.

Buffett buys the good will of people like you by sticking it to the mere rich.

Its like Carnegie and the Steel Industry. Carnegie allowed the Union in and got alot of laborites to support him for that. What he also did was drive up the cost of labor and cause many of his less well off competitors to fold when they couldn't afford the costs. He then bought them up and crushed the unions paying less than he did before the unionization

Buffett can afford tax hikes. He also could afford a huge estate tax bill because the estate he would leave (his won't be taxed due to it going to the gates foundation etc) can re-generate itself in the lifespan of his offspring.

Most estates subject to the estate tax cannot-especially if the estate has a valuable piece of property-be it a home or a piece of art that does not generate income./
 
And yet is he is one of the 5 richest men in the world.

I think an absurdly low salary is the least of his concerns, when he has 30+ billion dollars in net assets

He is using the system to his advantage as I would expect anyone to do, what he is calling for is changing the system.

He is successful, you worship him. THat is his goal. He is no more concerned about what is fair for someone like you than I am. The difference is I don't say what I say to convince those who have nothing in common with me to paen my position or lap up the stuff I assert calling it manna from heaven
 
That is silly. How many people are in the position to manipulate their own salary? My father was the CEO of a company-sat on the boards of 3 Fortune 500 companies and could no more set his own salary at the company he ran then say a federal judge or prosecutor can set his or her own salary.
You mean to say your father could not go to the board and ask for a $100 000 salary and instead get paid in the equivalent amount of stock? or perhaps less in stock? I doubt that. Your father wanted the large salary to support his lifestyle which I expect was/is more lavish then that of Buffet. A federal judge can lower his effective salary by donating as much of his salary to charity, (so could have your father) meaning the effective salary they would have had could be as small as they wanted

Buffett buys the good will of people like you by sticking it to the mere rich.
Buffet has my goodwill because he has been a very good investor over time. (actually the best investor over time) Jack Welch (ex CEO of GE) has my goodwill because he did a very good job in leading GE over time. That Buffet wants the tax code in the US changed is meaningless to me

Its like Carnegie and the Steel Industry. Carnegie allowed the Union in and got alot of laborites to support him for that. What he also did was drive up the cost of labor and cause many of his less well off competitors to fold when they couldn't afford the costs. He then bought them up and crushed the unions paying less than he did before the unionizationy
The other steel companies could have simply paid less, it is not Carnegie's fault they could not manage labour costs effectively. Perhaps if they paid less money to their obvisously poor CEO and management they would have been able to compete. After all it was not like Carnegie was going to hire all the steel mill workers to work in his plants

Buffett can afford tax hikes. He also could afford a huge estate tax bill because the estate he would leave (his won't be taxed due to it going to the gates foundation etc) can re-generate itself in the lifespan of his offspring.

Most estates subject to the estate tax cannot-especially if the estate has a valuable piece of property-be it a home or a piece of art that does not generate income./

Then it makes sense to change the system does it not, like he said
 
He is successful, you worship him. THat is his goal. He is no more concerned about what is fair for someone like you than I am. The difference is I don't say what I say to convince those who have nothing in common with me to paen my position or lap up the stuff I assert calling it manna from heaven

I dont worship anyone or thing

He is not concerned about me, I am sure of that, nor are you
 
You mean to say your father could not go to the board and ask for a $100 000 salary and instead get paid in the equivalent amount of stock? or perhaps less in stock? I doubt that. Your father wanted the large salary to support his lifestyle which I expect was/is more lavish then that of Buffet. A federal judge can lower his effective salary by donating as much of his salary to charity, (so could have your father) meaning the effective salary they would have had could be as small as they wanted

Buffet has my goodwill because he has been a very good investor over time. (actually the best investor over time) Jack Welch (ex CEO of GE) has my goodwill because he did a very good job in leading GE over time. That Buffet wants the tax code in the US changed is meaningless to me

The other steel companies could have simply paid less, it is not Carnegie's fault they could not manage labour costs effectively. Perhaps if they paid less money to their obvisously poor CEO and management they would have been able to compete. After all it was not like Carnegie was going to hire all the steel mill workers to work in his plants



Then it makes sense to change the system does it not, like he said

I guess you are going to turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy

You want to lionize the man thinking he cares about the "downtrodden"
 
ah a feeling postion rather than a rational one. HOw is stealing from one group of people "moral"

Ideas of morality can be arrived by using logic. For example the basis of the concept of natural rights is from a logical position even though it has profound moral implications.

You should think more deeply before responding next time. You seem to have a habit of knee-jerk and shallow responses.

To address your point specifically. Society has a right to regulate itself since it could not function without that ability.
 
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"Why should the wealthy have to pay more taxes?"

That’s an easy question to answer, because the wealthy can afford to pay more. :roll:
 
Well, for one, if we assume the reason the government taxes is to pay for the amount of spending it has undertaken, then I would assume we would want to tax in a way that more effectively generates revenue. If we tax a person making 30k a year at 50% we will get a lot less than if we tax someone making 300k a year at 50%.

I think everyone would also agree that $1 for a person making 30k a year means much more to them than to someone making 300k a year. If you believe in the idea of "equal sacrifice" than I would think you would agree with progressive taxation.

Also, looking at it from a somewhat moral point of view. Assuming one was making 300k a year but for one reason or another faces a drop or rise in income. I would say that without knowing which would happen, I would prefer that the benefit go to the least prosporous outcome. Meaning if someones income drops, they should face less of a burden then if there income rises.

Progressive taxation can also act as a way to stabilize the economy, since a drop in income will result in less taxation, or in effect stimulus.

Progressive taxation can also work in a way to make everyone better off (especially if it is combined with things like an earned income tax credit), or pareto improving, since it will work in way that reduces inequality, it will keep economic benefits from flowing to a select few while leaving many others behind. This leaves it up to the economy to grow the pie, while the tax policy can work to achieve a more efficient outcome.
 
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That’s an easy question to answer, because the wealthy can afford to pay more. :roll:

That really is no answer. We don't have different price lists for consumers at car dealerships or diners based on their income
 
Well, for one, if we assume the reason the government taxes is to pay for the amount of spending it has undertaken, then I would assume we would want to tax in a way that more effectively generates revenue. If we tax a person making 30k a year at 50% we will get a lot less than if we tax someone making 300k a year at 50%.

I think everyone would also agree that $1 for a person making 30k a year means much more to them than to someone making 300k a year. If you believe in the idea of "equal sacrifice" than I would think you would agree with progressive taxation.

Also, looking at it from a somewhat moral point of view. Assuming one was making 300k a year but for one reason or another faces a drop or rise in income. I would say that without knowing which would happen, I would prefer that the benefit go to the least prosporous outcome. Meaning if someones income drops, they should face less of a burden then if there income rises.

Progressive taxation can also act as a way to stabilize the economy, since a drop in income will result in less taxation, or in effect stimulus.

Progressive taxation can also work in a way to make everyone better off (especially if it is combined with things like an earned income tax credit), or pareto improving, since it will work in way that reduces inequality, it will keep economic benefits from flowing to a select few while leaving many others behind. This leaves it up to the economy to grow the pie, while the tax policy can work to achieve a more efficient outcome.

The main scheme behind progressive income is to allow those who pander to a majority to promise the majority all sorts of government goodies that the majority will not have to pay for.

It was always designed as a power grab

when the income tax was being proposed (no I don't have a ready source, I remember reading this in the congressional record when I had access to it) one senator noted that a sales tax would raise more revenue without creating more government and a proponent noted that a NST would not give congress near as much power,


Given how many on this board are believers in "from each according to their ability" the evil of a progressive tax is that none of you will ever say the top rate should have a limit and as long as you don't suffer a corresponding rise in taxes, there is nothing to prevent the majority from continually raising taxes on the top bracket (which in the long run is even more deleterious to the looters than to the rich)
 
Ideas of morality can be arrived by using logic. For example the basis of the concept of natural rights is from a logical position even though it has profound moral implications.

You should think more deeply before responding next time. You seem to have a habit of knee-jerk and shallow responses.

To address your point specifically. Society has a right to regulate itself since it could not function without that ability.

I don't think you want to play games of who has thought stuff out better.

Your concept of morality is one of a parasite. It is the right that gives the most to charity--voting for more socialism is hardly moral
 
I don't think you want to play games of who has thought stuff out better.

Your concept of morality is one of a parasite. It is the right that gives the most to charity--voting for more socialism is hardly moral

Yes. You thought out stuff better :roll:. Than you make three unconnected feel good statements. I yield to your unassailable logic, sir!
 
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Yes. You thought out stuff better :roll:. Than you make three unconnected feel good statements. I yield to your unassailable logic, sir!

Nothing is better than the commoners knowing who their masters are:mrgreen:
 
Nothing is better than the commoners knowing who their masters are:mrgreen:

Thank you for making my point for me. :lol:

I guess your reasoning isn't that good after all ...
 
Thank you for making my point for me. :lol:

I guess your reasoning isn't that good after all ...

NO need to bring a battle tank to war with a mouse
 
That really is no answer. We don't have different price lists for consumers at car dealerships or diners based on their income

Sure it’s an answer ,when you consider that Warren Buffett was taxed at 17.7 per cent of his income of $46 million and his secretary who earned $60,000, in 2006 was taxed at 30 per cent.
 
who is it that decides the value of the gold, whom does the man sell it too etc.

without society, the gold is worthless
Supply and demand, if the gold is worthless the rich man will find some other thing to sell while the poor man looks for assistance and sits on his gold.
 
The main scheme behind progressive income is to allow those who pander to a majority to promise the majority all sorts of government goodies that the majority will not have to pay for.

It was always designed as a power grab

when the income tax was being proposed (no I don't have a ready source, I remember reading this in the congressional record when I had access to it) one senator noted that a sales tax would raise more revenue without creating more government and a proponent noted that a NST would not give congress near as much power,


Given how many on this board are believers in "from each according to their ability" the evil of a progressive tax is that none of you will ever say the top rate should have a limit and as long as you don't suffer a corresponding rise in taxes, there is nothing to prevent the majority from continually raising taxes on the top bracket (which in the long run is even more deleterious to the looters than to the rich)

I disagree. Over the past 40 years the income tax in America has gotten less progressive and inequality has also risen. It would seem that the "power grab" has failed over the course of modern history. You should know why, America is a republic, one that is not run by majority rule.

Even if you don't agree with the "from each according to his ability" I would think you would agree with the Rawlsian point of view. Without knowing the outcome, if your income was to drop or rise, which position should see the benefit (lower taxes)?
 
Be careful. You're talking about a free market, now.

No one in this thread is. The entire foundation of the so-called "laissez-faire" philosophy is undermined by the fact that current distributions of wealth and property are based in aggression, the theft involved in enslavement of multitudes without reparation, in the violent dispossession of indigenous peoples and theft of their resources, in the centralized state planning of mercantilism, and in the general inheritance from feudalism...permitting the property of the authoritarian barons to become that of the authoritarian industrialists. That continues to have modern repercussions because these aggrieved peoples never received their private property back.
 
No one in this thread is. The entire foundation of the so-called "laissez-faire" philosophy is undermined by the fact that current distributions of wealth and property are based in aggression, the theft involved in enslavement of multitudes without reparation, in the violent dispossession of indigenous peoples and theft of their resources, in the centralized state planning of mercantilism, and in the general inheritance from feudalism...permitting the property of the authoritarian barons to become that of the authoritarian industrialists. That continues to have modern repercussions because these aggrieved peoples never received their private property back.


And this post has what to do with the OP? "Why should the wealthy have to pay more taxes?"
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I disagree. Over the past 40 years the income tax in America has gotten less progressive and inequality has also risen. It would seem that the "power grab" has failed over the course of modern history. You should know why, America is a republic, one that is not run by majority rule.

Even if you don't agree with the "from each according to his ability" I would think you would agree with the Rawlsian point of view. Without knowing the outcome, if your income was to drop or rise, which position should see the benefit (lower taxes)?

actually you are quite wrong. The income tax pyramid is at its most progressive point ever.
 
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