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Why Romney % GOP lost and will continue to lose

tres borrachos said:
Did I miss the part about the GOP losing control of Congress last night?

Did I miss the part about the GOP not winning more governor seats and now having 30 out of 50 governors be Republicans?
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Right. Nothing has changed. 4 more years of the status quo.

So what's Obama's Plan to fix it again? I didn't catch that during the campaign.
 
cpwill said:
That is crap. Offering make-believe cuts in return for tax hikes doesn't count.
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No, your post IS crap.
And Uncharacteristically so.
Perhaps the election result has you Unhinged.

For the umpteenth time on this board, simple Disagreement/"no" is NOT debate and of course, you have NO debate because Obama has indeed offered compromise as I said and in the ratio I said.
Not to mention, moved well to the Center on issues such as Gitmo/Afghanistan/etc, to the consternation of those on the TRUE Left.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Birth control is also covered by many plans.

Sunscreen is a preventive item. Do you want people to die of skin cancer? that was a rhetorical question, but that's the attitude the women who demand "free" birth control take. If you don't let us have it, it's because you want us to get pregnant.
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But not all policies cover BC and it has a medically necessary application beyond contraception.

Birth control pills are not cheap, certainly not as cheap as sunscreen. You are not using and equivalent example. One of my family members needs BC for a condition and it's $45 a month, with coverage.
 
My state, virginia now has a new dem senator, Kaine, not to mention voting for obama.:applaud
 
imagep said:
How much does birth control cost? I dunno, maybe $20 a month, maybe $60 a month? As a society, we pay for birth control either through insurance, or directly, so it doesn't really matter how it is paid for, we still pay for it. It may very well be cheaper to the tax payer to pay for birth control than to pay for abortions or unwanted pregnancies.

It's a matter of practicality. I could care less myself, it's not really a big deal one way or the other, but there is probably little harm in insurance covering birth control and possibly a slight cost advantage, so I can't see why anyone would oppose it, except on maybe religious grounds. Religion really doesn't matter, if one doesn't want to use birth control, then no one is forcing it upon them. All I know is that I would much prefer to pay a couple of bucks a month more in insurance cost to cover birth control for someone else, than to pay a few hundred dollars a month more in either insurance costs or taxes to cover someone elses abortions or unwanted pregnancies carried to full term.
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I paid about $15 a month. If it only costs $20 a month now, or even $60 a month, then why in the name of God is it a national issue?

I'm all for covering it. I want to see the insurance companies pick up the costs of anything that is deemed "preventive" if that's the case. It's only fair. Just like I don't care about gay marriage, but if people want to fight for that, then should fight for the rights of any consenting adults, including polygamists and siblings who want to get married.
 
Bronson said:
Right. Nothing has changed. 4 more years of the status quo.

So what's Obama's Plan to fix it again? I didn't catch that during the campaign.
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Clean the wax out of your ears and take your blinders off.
 
Bronson said:
Obama won because he ran as Santa Claus

No other reason
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Thats very inaccurate. I didn't vote for him but I almost did, actually had him selected on the ballet and then I removed my selection and voted for no presidential candidate. My wife did vote for him. Regardless, he offered me no presents, no tax cuts, no new benefits.

Can you tell me exactly what presents that Obama was trying to bribe us with? He's not promising tax cuts, nor is he promising new freebee benefits. Have I missed something?

I could suggest that the rich only voted for Obama because he would have been Santa to them with tax cuts (or at least the failure to increase taxes) on the rich.
 
Gina said:
But not all policies cover BC and it has a medically necessary application beyond contraception.

Birth control pills are not cheap, certainly not as cheap as sunscreen. You are not using and equivalent example. One of my family members needs BC for a condition and it's $45 a month, with coverage.
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$45 a month? And this is a national crisis? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. My sister's cancer pills cost her $1500 a month. With insurance.

What specific percentage of birth control pills are prescribed for a medical necessity, and please provide a source. Thanks.
 
Bronson said:
Right. Nothing has changed. 4 more years of the status quo.

So what's Obama's Plan to fix it again? I didn't catch that during the campaign.
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I think it must have been the same one that Romney was offering - nothing.
 
tres borrachos said:
I paid about $15 a month. If it only costs $20 a month now, or even $60 a month, then why in the name of God is it a national issue?

I'm all for covering it. I want to see the insurance companies pick up the costs of anything that is deemed "preventive" if that's the case. It's only fair. Just like I don't care about gay marriage, but if people want to fight for that, then should fight for the rights of any consenting adults, including polygamists and siblings who want to get married.
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Maybe you should try to talk some sense into your conservative brothers because you are one of the few conservatives that sound reasonable to me. Good post!
 
tres borrachos said:
$45 a month? And this is a national crisis? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. My sister's cancer pills cost her $1500 a month. With insurance.

What specific percentage of birth control pills are prescribed for a medical necessity, and please provide a source. Thanks.
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That's a travesty for your sister and should be addressed.

So, when a poor woman without insurance has to pay full price for pills she can ill afford, it's an issue that bears national attention.

Why should the percentage matter? It's necessary medicine, period.
 
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tres borrachos said:
What percentage of non-white females voted for Obama?

Broken down further, what percentage of married versus non-married?
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Married women favored Romney, but Mothers favored Obama. Non-white women were overwhelmingly in favor of Obama, as were single women.
 
Amigo said:
The reason we lost was because people bought into Obama's lies. Sure, yesterday was fun for liberals. But today reality will start to set in. The reason I though we'd win was because I had too much faith in the American people to actually educate themselves. This is the result of dependency, and government education.
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So this would be 'The Voters are Stupid' reason. Number 7 on my list of Republican excuses.
 
Gina said:
That's a travesty for your sister and should be addressed.

So, when a poor woman without insurance has to pay full price for pills, it's an issue that bears national attention.

Why should the percentage matter? It's necessary medicine, period.
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Addressed how exactly? Isn't that what Obamacare is supposed to do?

If people in this country are so poor that they can't afford $45, then this country is doomed. Sandra Fluke could afford an iPhone with a monthly service fee.

Nonsense. Utter nonsense.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
The reason that you lost is you sent a message to the US that was idiotic and no one wanted. People are tired of social conservatives telling them what to do and what to believe. And people are tired of fiscal conservatives telling them that they are worthless. You guys sent an idiotic message. Until you change the message, you will continue to lose.
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You mean it wasn't because of voter fraud, the lamestream media, a stupid electorate, Hurricane Sandy, Hurricane Christie, or a candidate who wasn't sufficiently far enough to the loony right? Go figure!
 
Fletch said:
If you look beyond the silly analogies and stupid voter suppression argument, the OP is essentially correct. Republicans who have for years ignored the black vote and ceded the urban areas to democrats are now in danger of doing the same with Latinos. Romney could have done certain things differently and still lost. The democratic base is larger than the republican base so in a turnout election any republican is in trouble.

I suspect that in the 2014 elections republicans will make decent gains, not because of a newfound strength of their message but because turnout will be lower. Imagine if republicans could get50 percent of the black vote. Democrats would be in serious trouble. But that will only happen if the republican party courts them with the same intensity that they court evangelicals. Will that happen? Probably not. But failure to crack into the democratic base will doom republicans to regional party status.
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And what happens to any Black women or man who leaves the Democrats or says they are voting for a Republican?? The are demonized like a Muslim leaving Islam.
 
tres borrachos said:
Addressed how exactly? Isn't that what Obamacare is supposed to do?

If people in this country are so poor that they can't afford $45, then this country is doomed. Sandra Fluke could afford an iPhone with a monthly service fee.

Nonsense. Utter nonsense.
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There are reforms to the cost of prescription medicine that have been discussed for years. I have known seniors to buy their meds in Canada. Obamacare doesn't address it, but further tweaks to it could.

Read again: So, when a poor woman without insurance has to pay full price for pills

Sandra was discussing her friend's condition and you have no idea if she has an iphone or not, and neither do I.
 
So what should Republicans do to guarantee they will get special groups of people, or at least not be automatically discounted.

-let anyone vote without proof
-open the border and hand out visas to anyone who asks
-embrace abortion and state funded birth control
-embrace affirmative action

What else? Will agreeing 100% with democrats on these issues guarantee that women, hispanics, and blacks wont automatically vote against republicans?
 
LiberalAvenger said:
think this election has sent a message to congress. "Quit obstructing Obama."
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Many people are saying just the opposite because the election was so close and Obama didn't win a large majority of the popular vote.

But I think you are correct. If the conservatives in congress take the blame for obstructing whatever that the slight majority of our electorate feels needs to be done, then the republican party will be "done" in the next election, leading to total control of both houses of congress in two years and possibly another 4 years of a democrat in the whitehouse. Republicans have nothing to loose by demonstrating that they are willing to make a reasonable compromise, and everything to lose if they don't.
 
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