• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Why Our Country Is So Screwed Up

Obviously, Wyoming should have the same influence in national affairs as California. If California doesn’t like it, it should divide itself into Wyoming population-sized chunks. Can’t imagine Wyoming objecting, as that would be so hypocritical, right?
Fanciful but it would be a violation of Article IV, Section 3. "No new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State."
 
I’ve always equated them to flat-Earthers. What that community has done is decided on a theory about what they think the Earth looks like. They then only accept information that supports the theory. When facts disprove the theory (even experiments they conduct) the facts are dismissed because the equipment was faulty in some manner or some other excuse.

That is what MAGA does with Trump. When information challenges their theory on either who Trump is or more than likely what they want him to be, it’s dismissed. It’s biased. It didn’t happen. It was taken out of context.

Are you going to convince a flat-Earther otherwise any more than a MAGA cult nut? Nope.
Excellent analysis. And we see it right here in this forum.
 
The complaint seems to be that while big blue cites (and their nearby suburbs) have lots of power, at the federal government level, they don’t (yet) have all the power.
Almost. The observation is that they do not have equal power to rural people. What is sought is a balance of power. Rural people are predictably going to fight that. Power is so addictive. Who is going to give it up willingly?
 
Almost. The observation is that they do not have equal power to rural people. What is sought is a balance of power. Rural people are predictably going to fight that. Power is so addictive. Who is going to give it up willingly?

It’s unlikely that the US Senate will ever be abolished.
 
It’s unlikely that the US Senate will ever be abolished.
Agree. I am not advocating for abolishing the US Senate. It should be reapportioned.

Land area and regions are highly over rated in the original Constitution. It does not apply well today. And it is understandable that this mistake would be made back where there just were not that many people. Things have changed. Now we have 2 Senators from California representing a State with as many Americans as are represented by 40 Senators in less populated States. That give the people in those less populated States outsized collective power in the Senate. That situation did not exist in the original 13 States. The current imbalance needs to be rectified.
 
Last edited:
He is s criminal.


So we are now living fact free, eh? Let me help you. Trump is a felon. That is simply a matter of fact. Be honest and deal with it. No one likes a dishonest poster. Your assertion makes you look untethered from reality. Its not a good look.

 
Agree. I am not advocating for abolishing the US Senate. It should be reapportioned.

Why have a Senate if it’s ‘apportioned’ like the House?

Land area and regions are highly over rated in the original Constitution. It does not apply well today. And it is understandable that this mistake would be made back where there just were not that many people. Things have changed. Now we have 2 Senators from California representing a State with as many Americans as are represented by 40 Senators in less populated States. That give the people in those less populated States outsized collective power in the Senate. That situation did not exist in the original 13 States. The current imbalance needs to be rectified.
 
Now we are living in a fact free. Trump is a felon. That is simply a matter of fact. Be honest and deal with it. No one likes a dishonest poster.

Well said.

Unfortunately, we live in a time when people will simply block out what they do not wish to be true. Maga is the denial party.
 
Why have a Senate if it’s ‘apportioned’ like the House?
Because the Senate is the higher legislative body. There are fewer Senators and they are elected for longer terms. Senators are more powerful. The Senate conducts different business than the House. The Senate has the sole power to try all impeachments. The Senate controls who gets seated on the SCOTUS and approves all federal judges.

We should change the rules for the Senate to ensure that when a president nominates a person for the SCOTUS the Senate must convene a hearing for that nomination within 90 days except if it is during an interregnum in which the sitting president will not be continuing in office for the next term.
 
Because the Senate is the higher legislative body.

Because it represents each state equally, which you want to change.

There are fewer Senators and they are elected for longer terms. Senators are more powerful. The Senate conducts different business than the House. The Senate has the sole power to try all impeachments. The Senate controls who gets seated on the SCOTUS and approves all federal judges.

We should change the rules for the Senate to ensure that when a president nominates a person for the SCOTUS the Senate must convene a hearing for that nomination within 90 days except if it is during an interregnum in which the sitting president will not be continuing in office for the next term.
 
Because it represents each state equally, which you want to change.
Yes, I do want to change that. The reasoning is both sound and obvious. This isn't the country the founders envisioned. They couldn't possibly have. Things have changed. The government which was created to balance the power of the 13 original States does not yield a balance of power for the 50 States. The founders did understand changes would be needed so they included a method to Amend the Constitution. It is time to do that again.
 
Telling me where to go again? How pathetic. How petty. Can't deal with what I'm saying? Can't hear an opposing view without melting down and attacking the person saying it? There is a reason it bothers you so much. It doesn't lie in attacking me. It doesn't lie in disrespecting others.

Every site could do better with more respect. The nation would do better with more respect. If we want to call ourselves civilized; If we want to call ourselves well mannered members of society; there must be mutual respect. We had more of that before poor Donald became the obsession of far too many.

Leadership is about setting a good example. Each of us should strive to set a good example. People in a peaceful society look to one another for examples of how to behave. A society in disintegration is vindictive, attacking one another personally. That is what we have more of because of Donald. People look at Donald and think his atrocious behavior makes it OK to be a jerk, OK to be mean to others. No. It is not OK. Being a jerk is being a jerk. Being a jerk is never OK.

A society in integration is respectful and kind to one another. We live in societies. We are at our best when we are kind, thoughtful and generous to one another. That is how we live in peace.

It is OK to disagree with one another. That is to be expected. But it must be done with respect if we want to be good people and have a good nation.

People have become more vindictive since the advent of Donald. It's an unfortunate regression for our society. Donald needs to go away and people need to learn how to be more respectful of one another again. We will be better off when we rediscover mutual respect. All Americans deserve respect from one another. That is the best case. We should not think less of others simply because we disagree.

These are all things taught in church. It is amazing there are so many so-called "Christians" in here who foolishly follow Donald and act like jerks, not acting in the Christian way. And here I am, an atheist, and I espouse the respect they lack. Oh, the irony.

You can attack me all you want. I am above anything you say. It's just words. If you become too much of a nuisance I will simply stop talking to you. I would consider that unfortunate but it has happened before and it will happen again. People who are fixated on thinking that wrong things are right do not want to be told different. They don't want to hear the truth they are denying to themselves. It makes them mad, so they lash out at the person telling them what they don't want to hear. Insulting someone who tells you the truth you are denying to yourself does not make that truth go away. My true words will ring in your memory even if we stop talking to one another.

I stand for goodness, righteousness, respect, harmony, peace, and accurate understanding of the big picture of what is really going on in this nation. There is nothing funny about peace, love and understanding. It's the way good people should act.

So, no. If people are mean online that is not my problem. I can still go online at the site of my choice and discuss what's going on in the nation I love and participate in. The thing to do when people become nasty is simply cut if off with the unruly people and move on to discuss things with respectful people who can hear another view they disagree with without getting angry and lashing out at the person saying the thing they are trying so desperately to block out.
If I thought you knew what the "truth" is, I would manage to read every one of your laborious posts.
You won't drag me into a petty discussion.
 
Burgum is no Donald. Maga didn't want Burgum. He tried to run in the Republican primaries and was rejected. Maga cannot be happy with Burgum. And it's hard to imagine Donald picking a VP that would pull another Pence on him. Burgum is not going to break the law or even push the boundaries of it for Donald. That's a huge problem for Donald. Donald needs somebody really slimy like MTG or Gaetz or Jordan. Somebody who will break the law for him if needed.

We know that Donald will not be happy with 4 more years (if he lasts that long and doesn't have a coronary.) If Donald doesn't die of a heart attack (his health is atrocious) he will not leave quietly or have a peaceful transfer of power. We know this. He wants to be president for life.

Burgum would be a good choice for Republicans, but the traditional Republican party has been decimated. There is no more Republican party. It's the maga party now. Maga doesn't want good leadership. Maga wants retribution. Maga wants Donald. It's all about that man, not what he stands for. That's because Donald doesn't stand for anything. Whatever is popular with deplorable voters is what Donald claims to stand for but it changed like the wind. He is easier to see through than a plate glass window.
You should send that speech to Biden.
He needs more anti-Trump materials even if that material is shopworn and repetitive.
 
Yes, I do want to change that. The reasoning is both sound and obvious. This isn't the country the founders envisioned. They couldn't possibly have. Things have changed. The government which was created to balance the power of the 13 original States does not yield a balance of power for the 50 States. The founders did understand changes would be needed so they included a method to Amend the Constitution. It is time to do that again.

Good luck with your push for such an amendment.
 
So we are now living fact free, eh? Let me help you. Trump is a felon. That is simply a matter of fact. Be honest and deal with it. No one likes a dishonest poster. Your assertion makes you look untethered from reality. Its not a good look.

The post I was responding too said the media was not calling out Trumps lies? And that they gave him respect he did not deserve. REALLY?

No clue what you are babbling about?
 
He is totally a criminal. He's got a rap sheet. He's a felon. You can deny it all you like. You can't change the facts. He's a dirty rotten crook. Rotten to the core. He had a bad childhood of neglect. It turned him into a bully. He thinks he can get away with law breaking so he did not respect the law.

He is a crook, a criminal and a very bad man with a bad character. Anyone who supports him or becomes a cult follower is making a big mistake.

And he is a bad example.

Donald should be institutionalized.
Biden has his as the White House says "Big boy"news conference today. Maybe he will be only half as bad as he was at the debate.

Oh joy screaming about "cult". What is wrong with people.
 
If I thought you knew what the "truth" is, I would manage to read every one of your laborious posts.
You won't drag me into a petty discussion.
One cannot be dragged into something that one originates.
 
The post I was responding too said the media was not calling out Trumps lies? And that they gave him respect he did not deserve. REALLY?

No clue what you are babbling about?
It is true. The conservative media goes soft on Donald. They should be reminding everyone of every time Donald lies.
 
Biden has his as the White House says "Big boy"news conference today. Maybe he will be only half as bad as he was at the debate.

Oh joy screaming about "cult". What is wrong with people.
Donald is so bad that millions of Americans will vote for President Biden even after his poor debate performance. Wow. Donald has to be pretty bad for that to happen.
 
Fanciful but it would be a violation of Article IV, Section 3. "No new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State."
Sure it can be done, you forgot the whole text of of section 3, "without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress." West Virginia was created from Virginia in 1863.
 
Yes, I do want to change that. The reasoning is both sound and obvious. This isn't the country the founders envisioned. They couldn't possibly have. Things have changed. The government which was created to balance the power of the 13 original States does not yield a balance of power for the 50 States. The founders did understand changes would be needed so they included a method to Amend the Constitution. It is time to do that again.
Each State has a legislative body, that means there are 50 of them in this country, each State legislative body is elected by the people of that State. Those 50 legislative bodies are represented in the Federal Government by 100 Senators, 2 from each State. Those Senators are bound by their State's legislative body to conduct business on the behalf of the States interest in the Federal Government. Because California has only 1 legislative body it only gets 2 Senators, it the same for all States.
 
Yes, I do want to change that. The reasoning is both sound and obvious. This isn't the country the founders envisioned. They couldn't possibly have. Things have changed. The government which was created to balance the power of the 13 original States does not yield a balance of power for the 50 States. The founders did understand changes would be needed so they included a method to Amend the Constitution. It is time to do that again.
With as much rhetorical influence you appear to have over the Left side of government, your literary skills should be devoted to campaign for the removal of the Electoral College.

Why waste your enthusiasm on debating those who don't go along with your radical ideas?
 
Because we are pretty much one of the only first world countries that constantly attacks our own education system instead of trying to improve it.
 
Back
Top Bottom