Why Medicare For All Won't Work

[Bullseye]

Those countries would never switch to what we have

They're used to what the have. If you want what they have - move.

 

[vegas giants]

They're used to what the have. If you want what they have - move.

I'm staying. Hahahahaha

 

[ludin]

Yet somehow it works in Great Britain, in France, in Germany, in.., and when the ACA was being crafted the great fear among Republicans of the public option was that the option would become so popular it would drive the insurance industry out of business, in effect Medicare for all.

N.H.S. Overwhelmed in Britain, Leaving Patients to Wait - The New York Times
French medics warn health service is on brink of collapse | World news | The Guardian
German hospitals ′carrying out unnecessary operations′ | Germany| News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 08.11.2017

facts say otherwise and facts don't care about your feelings.
no it isn't working great in those countries.

 

[ludin]

If we don't have enough doctors you hire more. You don't just kill more people.

that is the fault of the government and the AMA.

 

[vegas giants]

N.H.S. Overwhelmed in Britain, Leaving Patients to Wait - The New York Times
French medics warn health service is on brink of collapse | World news | The Guardian
German hospitals ′carrying out unnecessary operations′ | Germany| News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 08.11.2017

facts say otherwise and facts don't care about your feelings.
no it isn't working great in those countries.

Yet no one in the UK wants our system

 

[Bullseye]

I'm staying. Hahahahaha

Great, I appreciate you contributions to my Social Security and Medicare. Keep up the good work.

 

[ludin]

Republicans are not the Tea Party of Libertarian. If you don't understand the difference you shouldn't be on a political debate site. And, it is just an outright lie in the first place. Why can't you have an honest discussion?

it is not possible for them to do it.

 

[trixare4kids]

check out this article.

Quality of life by nation

They don't have 330 million people. You don't suppose that has something to do with quality of life for each country, do you?

 

[Grand Mal]

It's not a video link. Any other excuses?

What am I supposed to excuse? I was agreeing with you fer****sakes.
What's your damned problem?

 

[vegas giants]

Great, I appreciate you contributions to my Social Security and Medicare. Keep up the good work.

Okay dokey pokey

 

[Helix]

They don't have 330 million people. You don't suppose that has something to do with quality of life for each country, do you?

we can do it, too.

 

[trixare4kids]

we can do it, too.

I guess we can if we don't mind the tax burden for MFA being on the backs of the middle class.

 

[Grand Mal]

LOL. Wow. So now you want to import doctors from Cuba? That's your solution?

What the hell is wrong with you? Damn. Whatever has made you so deliberately ignorant has nothing to do with me.
My point, since you couldn't find it with both hands, was that the cost of education directly affects the number of doctors in a country. Do you dispute that? Do you have anything that refutes anything I've said in your thread or are you just having another tantrum?
You guys just don't have a clue, not a dust of an idea, how this works.

 

[Bullseye]

What the hell is wrong with you? Damn. Whatever has made you so deliberately ignorant has nothing to do with me.
My point, since you couldn't find it with both hands, was that the cost of education directly affects the number of doctors in a country. Do you dispute that? Do you have anything that refutes anything I've said in your thread or are you just having another tantrum?
You guys just don't have a clue, not a dust of an idea, how this works.

Nice post: About ten words of actual debate wrapped in tons of insults, condescension, and demeaning horse manure.

 

[JasperL]

The young people will get royally screwed over with MFA. They don't use healthcare much. It is basically unimportant to them but their taxes will rise exponentially and, since they don't go to the doctor, they will be paying through the nose for something they don't even use in order to support the people that do go to the doctor a lot.

OK, and their parents get the benefit, and in a few years the young are older and have babies and need OB coverage, and then they get older and start needing healthcare for diabetes, cancer, etc.

And the young make the least amount of money, so presumably pay lower taxes than those further along in their career as well.

 

[iguanaman]

The left want to screw over millions of Americans who are happy with what they have.

Not really but Biden's plan lets you keep your policy or switch over to elective Medicare and pay a fee for that instead. If the insurers can keep their premiums down people will keep them on if they can't afford it or rates are too high they can switch to the Govt. run plan.

 

[Grand Mal]

Nice post: About ten words of actual debate wrapped in tons of insults, condescension, and demeaning horse manure.

Ten more words than I've got from either him or you.
I made a point, a valid point, that basically agrees with the OP and got retrospectly predictable knee-jerk insults. Now I've got you white-knighting the OP with more of the same. I'm not even going to ask when either of you will address the points I raised. I'm pretty sure that'd be like asking a cat to bark.
Go ahead, if it matters to you, scroll back and review the exchange. See where the insults started. You guys are just completely disarmed by sincere offers of discussion. You, in other words, got nothing.

 

[Bullseye]

LOL The funniest quote from that opinion piece was the explanation for why we can't have the same costs/results as the rest of the free world. It's all about the cost of medical school! So all we need to do is subsidize Medical schools and we are home free. :lol: Who knew that giving free college tuition would have such great benefits?

You do understand that "subsidizing" medical is still a cost, right?

 

[BrotherFease]

I agree with the article posted. MFA is a bad idea and completely unnecessary. Neither Sanders or Warren can actually make their numbers add up. MFA will mean a significant increase in medicare taxes for everybody, and we'll probably have to include co-pays in order to prevent the system from going bankrupt.

The concept of adding public option for at-risk groups is the better avenue. This would not only cost less, but actually address the problem. I do not feel we should be forcing people to go on medicare.

 

[Bullseye]

No one has proposed anything even remotely resembling the healthcare systems of Great Britain, France, Germany, etc.

Why would we? They have their own problems.

 

[iguanaman]

You do understand that "subsidizing" medical is still a cost, right?

Apparently a cost that pays off royally. Most UHC nations pay half the cost of medical care for equal or better outcomes. According to the link that is because their doctors paid less for their schooling so they work cheap.

 

[iguanaman]

Why would we? They have their own problems.

None have the cost problem we have though. We pay double what they do.

 

[trixare4kids]

You do understand that "subsidizing" medical is still a cost, right?

Can you imagine someone saying all we need to do is subsidize tuition? Everything is free! No strings attached!
Honestly, who ever told these rubes that money grows on trees should get a good swift kick to the :donkeyfla

 

[Deuce]

What the article describes has never happened in a country that adopts universal healthcare. But sure, let’s assume we’ll run out of doctors.

 

[Bullseye]

None have the cost problem we have though. We pay double what they do.

Guess again.