Why Liberals Should NOT Vote For Obama

[Hatuey]

Another one ignoring the facts when it comes to performance. Yeah the economy is exploding with 10% GDP and unemployment is down to 3%.

Tell me how a pro-Bush Republican will fix that.

 

[washunut]

Sure?

Increase military spending ... rattle sabre at Iran: check!

Restart cold war with Russia: check!

Same foreign policy team: check!

Huge tax cuts primarily benefitting the wealthy: check!

Eliminate the estate tax: check!

Drill baby drill: check!

Same energy team: check!

Same legal team that brought us "enhanced interrogation": check!

Hmmm, seems like the same guy to me.

I love your posts, never let facts get in the way.

Obama would say that there is little daylight between his and Romney's position on Iran.- uncheck.


On the tax cuts, first it would be for everyone. Then he said it would be revenue neutral so deductions would have to be eliminated. Most deductions benefit the wealthy.- Uncheck

Have not heard about any cold war restart with Russia, but it seems that Obama has openly taken Russia to task on Syria. Not very diplomatic.-Uncheck

On foreign policy it seems he is using people from various administrations- uncheck

Have not heard either his nor Obama's position on the estate tax.- Uncheck

According to Obama we are in drill baby drill mode now, not sure there is a material difference. Everuone knows that Obama will OK the XL pipeline after the elections- Uncheck.

Not sure where you get anything about his legal team, nor has Obama closed gitmo as promised- Uncheck.

Does anyone else see the irony in the Obama team posts. First they say that he flip flops and acts just like Obama (Obamacare/Romneycare) and then without taking a breath say he is a dastardly uncompromising conservative.

 

[Luna Tick]

Gas prices were $1.85 in inauguration day????????? What part of the country was that in?

 

[Darrell]

Please compare to the last Republican president's opening and closing figures on the same metrics, and then we'll talk about "logic" and "reality."

Some people don't understand, it is hard to lead a country out of a hole after the guy before you through you in so deep.

 

[Darrell]

I love your posts, never let facts get in the way.

Obama would say that there is little daylight between his and Romney's position on Iran.- uncheck.


On the tax cuts, first it would be for everyone. Then he said it would be revenue neutral so deductions would have to be eliminated. Most deductions benefit the wealthy.- Uncheck

Have not heard about any cold war restart with Russia, but it seems that Obama has openly taken Russia to task on Syria. Not very diplomatic.-Uncheck

On foreign policy it seems he is using people from various administrations- uncheck

Have not heard either his nor Obama's position on the estate tax.- Uncheck

According to Obama we are in drill baby drill mode now, not sure there is a material difference. Everuone knows that Obama will OK the XL pipeline after the elections- Uncheck.

Not sure where you get anything about his legal team, nor has Obama closed gitmo as promised- Uncheck.

Does anyone else see the irony in the Obama team posts. First they say that he flip flops and acts just like Obama (Obamacare/Romneycare) and then without taking a breath say he is a dastardly uncompromising conservative.

He couldn't close it, because congress wnted it to remain open, so we can through in some terrorist, but you can't say he tried.

 

[Darrell]

Another one ignoring the facts when it comes to performance. Yeah the economy is exploding with 10% GDP and unemployment is down to 3%.

You don'y get what he is trying to say.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The hell he's not, it's called "JOBS" and "economic growth" all Obama has done is put in place job, and economic growth killing policies. And you have to wonder why the GDP is 1.5% and the unemployment is over 8% for over 40 months now. And on top of that it is Obama that increased our national debt by 6 trillion in just 4 yrs and the only president to have our debt downgraded.

Absolutely wrong, private job growth SURPASSES Bush's first term when Bush had a much milder recession. The job losses have come from state/local government cutbacks, the result of revenue losses from property, sales tax declines......which is a result of the housing crash. You can't make an argument that Obama caused the housing crash (which is the catalyst for all of our national decline) and you can't blame him for the state/local austerity which cases those govt layoffs.

GDP growth since his taking office has been on the same rate of growth as the best Bush years.

You could blame him for not getting a bigger stimulus to states so that they would not have had to layoff so many people.....but then that would make you a hypocrite.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I feel the GDP is a seriously flawed measurement Rob. Bush took office during a recession. The economy was still wobbly at the time of 9/11 and then took a good hit from that. That is not reflected in the GDP anywhere. It should be though. But if as you say things really need to be screwed up badly, then even with just murky economies, the GDP does not show a true picture of the economy.

From 2002 to 2007 the value of my house increased by 35k. I didn't do a thing to it during that time. Housing bubble, we all know this.... I have since made some cosmetic changes to the interior, and after the bubble burst, I am almost back to the 2002 value. And NY homes have not declined nearly as much as other areas, especially Fl. Being that the housing bubble is a big reason for the big GDP during the Bush years, It would then make sense that the GDP should not be going up at the same rate now as it did during the Bush years when Housing is still down significantly, along with most other labor. GDP as it is being measured currently is not an accurate picture of the economy.

GDP is the amount of total spending.....not wealth accumulation, housing value increases...or anything else.....it is spending.

GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports)

If you still refuse to believe the stats, there is not much to discuss.

 

[hazlnut]

Why is the far-right response to reasonable criticisms of their guy always a knee-jerk of factually challenged nonsense?

It's like you point out flaws in their candidate or their policies and they just vomit far-fetched b.s.

Can they ever just stay in reality long enough to have a real conversation?

 

[Aberration]

Why is the far-right response to reasonable criticisms of their guy always a knee-jerk of factually challenged nonsense?

It's like you point out flaws in their candidate or their policies and they just vomit far-fetched b.s.

Can they ever just stay in reality long enough to have a real conversation?

How ironic.

 

[Bronson]

Absolutely wrong, private job growth SURPASSES Bush's first term when Bush had a much milder recession. The job losses have come from state/local government cutbacks, the result of revenue losses from property, sales tax declines......which is a result of the housing crash. You can't make an argument that Obama caused the housing crash (which is the catalyst for all of our national decline) and you can't blame him for the state/local austerity which cases those govt layoffs.

GDP growth since his taking office has been on the same rate of growth as the best Bush years.

You could blame him for not getting a bigger stimulus to states so that they would not have had to layoff so many people.....but then that would make you a hypocrite.

Absolutely hilarious lies and propaganda taken directly from the mouth of Ezra Klein. GDP growth is trending DOWN. It is now at 1.5%. If we were in a recovery and Obama's policies were working, it would be the exact opposite. How much is the WH paying you to spout a bunch of lies and nonsense? There is a total net loss of jobs under Obama and in spite of his best efforts to destroy the economy, he hasn't quite finished the job yet.

 

[Travis007]

Absolutely wrong, private job growth SURPASSES Bush's first term when Bush had a much milder recession. The job losses have come from state/local government cutbacks, the result of revenue losses from property, sales tax declines......which is a result of the housing crash. You can't make an argument that Obama caused the housing crash (which is the catalyst for all of our national decline) and you can't blame him for the state/local austerity which cases those govt layoffs.

GDP growth since his taking office has been on the same rate of growth as the best Bush years.

You could blame him for not getting a bigger stimulus to states so that they would not have had to layoff so many people.....but then that would make you a hypocrite.

with all due respect ( cough) do you live on another planet? nothing you are saying is remotely in the realm of truth..

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Absolutely hilarious lies and propaganda taken directly from the mouth of Ezra Klein. GDP growth is trending DOWN. It is now at 1.5%. If we were in a recovery and Obama's policies were working, it would be the exact opposite. How much is the WH paying you to spout a bunch of lies and nonsense? There is a total net loss of jobs under Obama and in spite of his best efforts to destroy the economy, he hasn't quite finished the job yet.

The exact opposite...would be NEGATIVE 1.5%.

Try again.....without shooting yourself in the foot, tough guy.

 

[Travis007]

The exact opposite...would be NEGATIVE 1.5%.

Try again.....without shooting yourself in the foot, tough guy.

wowza... no thats not the opposite.. God Help Us..

 

[Bronson]

The exact opposite...would be NEGATIVE 1.5%.

Try again.....without shooting yourself in the foot, tough guy.

I said TRENDING DOWN. If Obama's economic policies were working, what would GDP be doing? :2wave:

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I said TRENDING DOWN. If Obama's economic policies were working, what would GDP be doing? :2wave:

You are talking about one quarter where the RATE OF INCREASE has not been as great as the previous 22, the point still is that the "opposite" would be negative growth for a quarter, ie half of a recession.

GDP is trending UP:

 

[Bronson]

You are talking about one quarter where the RATE OF INCREASE has not been as great as the previous 22, the point still is that the "opposite" would be negative growth for a quarter, ie half of a recession.

GDP is trending UP:

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Come back to reality

Growth weakens, debate over government role intensifies - The Washington Post

The report also included revised growth estimates for the past three years. The new estimates showed that the economy shrank by 3.1 percent in 2009, slightly less than the 3.5 percent previously reported. Growth in 2010 was 2.4 percent, down from 3 percent, and growth in 2011 was 1.8 percent (LOWER THAN PREVIOUS YEAR BY ALMOST A FULL % POINT = TRENDING DOWN) instead of 1.7 percent.

It is now 1.5% = TRENDING DOWN. The Big Lie you are trying to push is so laughably phony that even Goebbals would stand up applaud. Now shoo, I've wasted enough precious seconds of my life on your insanity.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Come back to reality

Growth weakens, debate over government role intensifies - The Washington Post



It is now 1.5% = TRENDING DOWN. The Big Lie you are trying to push is so laughably phony that even Goebbals would stand up applaud. Now shoo, I've wasted enough precious seconds of my life on your insanity.

First off, comparing me to a NAZI whose name you can't even spell displays who is the phoney.

Second, whining about GDP rates of increase not being as great as the previous 22 is just weak. If you RW extremists had any understanding of the US macroeconomy and want more growth, you would not be pushing for more layoffs in the public sector. Every job is important now, govt spending is a large component of GDP. It is a double whammy to cut jobs and spending in a recession, so you don't get to argue out of both side of your mouth when it comes to GDP. Hell, you can't even talk out of one side correctly.

 

[Bronson]

First off, comparing me to a NAZI whose name you can't even spell displays who is the phoney.

Second, whining about GDP rates of increase not being as great as the previous 22 is just weak. If you RW extremists had any understanding of the US macroeconomy and want more growth, you would not be pushing for more layoffs in the public sector. Every job is important now, govt spending is a large component of GDP. It is a double whammy to cut jobs and spending in a recession, so you don't get to argue out of both side of your mouth when it comes to GDP. Hell, you can't even talk out of one side correctly.

I'm just stating fact. There have now been 4 additional posts that weren't necessary because you are not willing to acknowledge reality. GDP is trending down. That's just fact. Reality. It decreased from the last quarter and is projected to grow even slower (if at all). 1.5% isn't even enough growth to keep up with population growth. GDP growth for the entire year of 2011 was 1.8%. That is AFTER Obama's stimulus was passed. That is an economic disaster. 5 trillion has spent for 1.5% GDP growth. This is why I won't waste another post on you. It's pointless.

If you're going to run around the boards spewing a bunch of propaganda, then I'm going to compare you to an infamous propagandist.

 

[AdamT]

I'm just stating fact. There have now been 4 additional posts that weren't necessary because you are not willing to acknowledge reality. GDP is trending down. That's just fact. Reality. It decreased from the last quarter and is projected to grow even slower (if at all). 1.5% isn't even enough growth to keep up with population growth. GDP growth for the entire year of 2011 was 1.8%. That is AFTER Obama's stimulus was passed. That is an economic disaster. 5 trillion has spent for 1.5% GDP growth. This is why I won't waste another post on you. It's pointless.

If you're going to run around the boards spewing a bunch of propaganda, then I'm going to compare you to an infamous propagandist.

Can you tell us what most economists attribute this drop to? opcorn2:

 

[poweRob]

You mean, like it is right now under Obama?

Yeah, we think so, too...

First... show me when the GDP has gone negative. Then get back to me.

 

[poweRob]

Come back to reality

Growth weakens, debate over government role intensifies - The Washington Post



It is now 1.5% = TRENDING DOWN. The Big Lie you are trying to push is so laughably phony that even Goebbals would stand up applaud. Now shoo, I've wasted enough precious seconds of my life on your insanity.

too funny. growth is not trending down. Do you see a negative in front of that number? No? Then it is still growth. Less growth than last month is still growth.

Depseration is a terrible deoderant.

 

[rcart76]

It is really funny when republicans say that Obama policies are a failure when in fact just about all the policies that are in play are extensions of the Bush policies.

We still have those bogus Bush tax cuts which was suppose to "rain down prosperity" to the middle class. The bank bailouts was supported by the Bush Administration. The HC bill will not go into play until 2016, so no effect there yet.

So what has he done that hurt the economy so much? Hell at least we should try democrat legislation if you are going to blame democrats for this economy.

 

[Bronson]

It is really funny when republicans say that Obama policies are a failure when in fact just about all the policies that are in play are extensions of the Bush policies.

We still have those bogus Bush tax cuts which was suppose to "rain down prosperity" to the middle class. The bank bailouts was supported by the Bush Administration. The HC bill will not go into play until 2016, so no effect there yet.

So what has he done that hurt the economy so much? Hell at least we should try democrat legislation if you are going to blame democrats for this economy.

Pure ideological garbage

Not even John Maynard Keynes advocated raising taxes during a recession. On the contrary, he said we should cut taxes during a recession. Even PRESIDENT OBAMA has said you do not raise taxes during a recession. After 4 years of "Democrat Legislation" that has cost this economy untold trillions in negative externalities, the Obama cultists still actually believe that Obama has existed as president in a vacuum. That the tax hikes and regulations, especially in regards to Obamacare, have had no negative impact on the economy and jobs.

Small Business on Obamacare: No Reason to Hire or Invest - US Business News - CNBC

I already know it doesn't matter what facts are put in front of you. Your faith in your messiah cannot be swayed. I get that, but don't sit and try to tell us that GDP is trending up and the economy is improving under Obama. It isn't. It's getting worse. What should have been a recession followed by a boom has been a bust because Obama took the money out of the hands of the innovators that drive our opportunity driven society, and pissed it away to his "Green Job" campaign bundling cronies through his stimulus. People that live in reality are not buying your premise. We understand how economics works. You want to believe in a demand driven economy, feel free. Just know you have been brainwashed. Our economy is driven by productivity and trade. The sooner clowns like Obama get out of way and allow experienced businessmen who recognize we have a gift sitting right under our feet that will lead us to prosperity, the better. The unemployment rate in South Dakota is 4.3%

I can cite the statistics down the line.

Black Unemployment - 14.4%

Latino Unemployment - 11%

53% of COLLEGE graduates aged 25 or younger are underemployed and underemployed. A total disaster.

1 trillion + in student loan accrued by said 53% of underemployed or unemployed college graduates. When Obama isn't able to artificially keep their interest rates low the bubble is going to pop. Gee, I wonder where else Government intervention in the loan industry went bad. (CRA FANNIE/FREDDIE)

Unprecedented growth in Government. Unprecedented yearly trillion dollar deficits, yet here you sit, trying to convince us that we're not in a Depression because of Obama's failed economic policies.

Obama Wins The Gold For Worst Economic Recovery Ever - Forbes

If mismanaging an economic recovery were an Olympic event, President Obama would be standing on the middle platform right now, accepting the gold medal.

Deep recessions are supposed to be followed by strong recoveries, but, under Obama, the worst recession since the 1930s has been followed by the slowest economic recovery in the history of the republic. In a very real sense, there has been no recovery at all—things are still getting worse.

 

[Bronson]

too funny. growth is not trending down. Do you see a negative in front of that number? No? Then it is still growth. Less growth than last month is still growth.

Depseration is a terrible deoderant.

Laughable projection

It's the slowest rate in a year. Trending down. This is an indication of a slide back down to a recession. We're at 8.2% unemployment and 15% Real Unemployment. Both are not going down. On the contrary, they are going up while GDP is slowing. Trending down.

News Release: Gross Domestic Product

Q2 GDP Beats Expectations As Historical GDP Data Revised | ZeroHedge (<--meaning they fudged the numbers to try and make a steaming pile smell like roses)

When Reagan was in office there was real growth. Not this disaster you fools are trying to institutionalize as "normal". Obama has been an economic disaster as president.