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“Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”
WTF is this guy putting in his crackpipe. This ended my reading of the article. No need to continue to read useless drivvel by aAnd of course, when I heard about this research, my instant reaction was to say, "But fairness and harm are more important! We were right all along! This proves it -- liberal values are better!"
But, being someone who places a strong ethical value on fairness -- I realize that of course I'm going to say that. After all, those are my values. Of course I think they're better. And -- again, being someone who highly values fairness -- I realize that conservatives are going to say the exact same thing. "But authority and loyalty are more important! This proves it! Conservative values are better!"
As a dyed-in-the-wool liberal -- the offspring of a union organizer and an early-adopter feminist, taken to peace marches and McGovern rallies at a tender age -- this idea instantly made sense to me. It illuminates a lot of weird dark corners about politics, particularly the rancorous and apparently unsolvable nature of many political conflicts. When liberals and conservatives debate the burning issues of the day -- whether it's immigration or marriage equality, global warming or health care reform -- we often wind up talking at cross-purposes, and the conversations go around in increasingly belligerent circles ... because we're not starting with the same ethical foundations.
Also, Dan is hardly what could be called a "real conservative".
And your article is couched in fallacy.
WTF is this guy putting in his crackpipe. This ended my reading of the article. No need to continue to read useless drivvel by a
dan is SANE and is, to me, a real conservative. he's the kind of person who will debate and discuss without rancor. he also manages to think for himself, which is a rare quality.
Ouch, I thought it was an instant axe for a Conservative to diss St. GipperDan is a phony conservative the same way Reagan was.
Ouch, I thought it was an instant axe for a Conservative to diss St. Gipper
I thought I would throw out some red meat for the plutocracy conservatives here.
I will say that I don't have anything against real conservatives. In fact I agree with much of what they say. An example of a real conservative would be Danarhea, OK?
So, radical conservatives feel free to post from your favorite conservative sites.
Let's fight.:gunsmilieoke:boxer
Why Being Liberal Really Is Better Than Being Conservative | | AlterNet
The conservative value of authority has, at its very core, the idea that certain special people -- i.e., authority figures -- ought to be respected and obeyed more than others, and ought to have the right to tell other people what to do, and ought to have the power to enforce those dictums.
fleas will always claim its better than being a dog. someone else provides their food and transportation
fleas will always claim its better than being a dog. someone else provides their food and transportation
Godd morning Cappy:2wave:
I'm going to work in virginia beach today in the 100 degree heat and I don't have to pay a tqnning tax. Aiint life great.
Happy trails today.:2dance:
I read the article but honestly, as I scrolled down these things jumped out at me and straight up (my bad...) caused me to invalidate the guys writing.
"But according to this research, these basic values -- fairness, harm, loyalty, authority and purity -- exist in all of us, at least to some degree, in every non-sociopathic human being."
Fairness. Please. There are two valid uses of the word 'fair'. Describing mild weather and crappy carnivals with cheap ride and bad food. LIFE is not 'fair'. Anyone that lives with that ideal is a 'moran'. (see...I read the article).
People that believe in 'fairness' are typically whiney little bitches that REALLY dont mean fair...they mean utopian ideals where everyone loves everyone, treats everyone well, everyone is committed to the same principles and everyone gets along in a happy little fairy tale fantasy, and when reality fails (as it invariably does) in the name of 'fairness' we strip the fruit of the hard working person and give it to the failures. Its Lennons "Imagine" in some sort of fantasy "real life" that actually works. It ignores the reality of human nature, weakness, etc.
Heres the thing. I desperately want for other people to succeed. I dedicate a fair amount of my life in both paid and pro-bono capacity working toward that. But I believe people accomplish success by following Banduras model of hand-up enhanced self-efficacy...not by some government led handout model that keeps people needy and dependent. And I have seen MANY take advantage of hand-up programs and become extraordinarily successful. Most people take handout programs and stay stuck.
Now who is truly loving...caring...and humane...the conservative individual that offers hope, inspiration and opportunity while expecting others to do for themselves or the liberal individual who believes in fairness and in taking care of everyone.
And as LL and I were I believe agreeing to earlier...we pretty much ALL believe in the same things...just not necessarily how those things are acheived.
That's just because the liberals haven't thought of that yet....
I see you have crossed over and have become one of those types of, so called, conservatives who blame liberals for everything.
BTW, did you know that the US Navy has more admirals than ships? Do you realize how much money an admiral makes and how much pension they get? Now, if you are one of those deficit hawks don't you think getting rid of a few admirals would be a good way to cut the deficit instead of on the backs of the underclass? Talk to me.
Just curious about the amount of time you spend working for others to succeed. Would that be "fair" in the mild weather sense or "fair" in the crappy carnival sense?
The elderly are not the underclass. Liberals should have thought of the consequences before they instituted a ponzi scheme.
I see you have crossed over and have become one of those types of, so called, conservatives who blame liberals for everything.
BTW, did you know that the US Navy has more admirals than ships? Do you realize how much money an admiral makes and how much pension they get? Now, if you are one of those deficit hawks don't you think getting rid of a few admirals would be a good way to cut the deficit instead of on the backs of the underclass? Talk to me.
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