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Why is there freedom of religion in this country?

CriticalThought

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I understand the founding fathers found it important enough to include "freedom of religion" in the Bill of Rights, but I'm not sure why they did so. Many would argue that we are a "Christian Nation" so why do we need freedom of religion? What is the reasoning behind having freedom of religion? Why not just have a Christian theocracy?
 
I understand the founding fathers found it important enough to include "freedom of religion" in the Bill of Rights, but I'm not sure why they did so. Many would argue that we are a "Christian Nation" so why do we need freedom of religion? What is the reasoning behind having freedom of religion? Why not just have a Christian theocracy?

To distance ourselves away from those filthy Anglicans!!
 
I understand the founding fathers found it important enough to include "freedom of religion" in the Bill of Rights, but I'm not sure why they did so. Many would argue that we are a "Christian Nation" so why do we need freedom of religion? What is the reasoning behind having freedom of religion? Why not just have a Christian theocracy?
The pilgrims came to America to escape persecution. But they didnt come here to offer freedom of religion. Once they were settled, they were content to persecute other Christians just as others had done to them in England.

Different christian groups, during the time, had a history of persecuting eachother: catholics, puritans, quakers, etc. Many of the colonies had official religions. Some had religious tests for government positions. Even after the passing of the Constitution, many states had official religions because "seperation" only applied to the federal government. To sum it up, not all of the founders wanted freedom of religion. They just wanted to make sure no competing christian religion or sect took over the federal government.

It wasnt until the ratification of the 14th amendment after the civil war that establishment was made unconstitutional to state governments. (most, if not all states were operating this way by this time anyways)

There is no "freedom of religion" clause in the Constitution. There is only the establishment clause combined with the 14th amendment.
 
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There is no "freedom of religion" clause in the Constitution. There is only the establishment clause combined with the 14th amendment.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."


There it is.
 
Can't go into it on this side of town, but I think you should read Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris.
 
I understand the founding fathers found it important enough to include "freedom of religion" in the Bill of Rights, but I'm not sure why they did so. Many would argue that we are a "Christian Nation" so why do we need freedom of religion? What is the reasoning behind having freedom of religion? Why not just have a Christian theocracy?

Because people should be free to believe as they like and express said belief. "Freedom of Religion" in the context of the Constitution is the restriction of Congress from making religious law. And in that sense, the founders knew well the trappings and failings of theocracy and sought to make a secular government. We can still be a "Christian Nation", but the government was always meant to be secular.
 
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That has not changed much.


Actually it has changed quite a lot. Most of us have learned to coexist peacefully.... when's the last time you heard of a Presbyterian bombing a Catholic church in America? Never, I suspect....
 
I understand the founding fathers found it important enough to include "freedom of religion" in the Bill of Rights, but I'm not sure why they did so. Many would argue that we are a "Christian Nation" so why do we need freedom of religion? What is the reasoning behind having freedom of religion? Why not just have a Christian theocracy?

Because it protects their freedom to believe whatever they want in case some other religious beliefs dominate the government.
 
Because i would rather not be forced to go to church on Sunday, because i hate getting up early on the weekends..
 
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."There it is.
Yes but that only applies to federal laws. Not state.. It took the 14th amendment, which wasnt ratified until 1868, to ensure the bill of rights also applied to state laws. Many colonies and states had religious tests for office and gave state money to select churches within the state.it was nothing like we think of today.
 
Actually it has changed quite a lot. Most of us have learned to coexist peacefully.... when's the last time you heard of a Presbyterian bombing a Catholic church in America? Never, I suspect....

you arent familiar with the history of mormonism.

edit: never mind. I read what you said wrong. I agree with Goshin that over the last 100years or so religious violence in the US has been uncommon.
 
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you arent familiar with the history of mormonism.


Actually I am.

Know of any christians-killing-mormons-for-religious-reasons in the past 50 years? I don't...
 
Actually it has changed quite a lot. Most of us have learned to coexist peacefully.... when's the last time you heard of a Presbyterian bombing a Catholic church in America? Never, I suspect....

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Beginning after the Civil War, members of the Protestant-led,[56] Ku Klux Klan organization began engaging in arson, beatings, cross burning, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, and whipping against African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

They were explicitly Christian terrorist in ideology, basing their beliefs on a "religious foundation" in Christianity. [57] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time on, an intent to, "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible," and believe that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[58] Their cross-burnings were conducted not only to intimidate targets, but to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the lighting ritual was steeped in Christian symbolism, including the saying of prayers and singing of Christian hymns. [59] Many modern Klan organizations, such as the Knights Party, USA, continue to focus on the Christian supremacist message, asserting that there is a "war" on to destroy "western Christian civilization." [60]

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[61][62][63] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[64] A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."[65][66] The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was a belief that abortion is criminal and immoral, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.[67][68] The Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub, were made by Eric Robert Rudolph; Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist, whereas James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues instead that Rudolph was inspired only in part by religious considerations.[69]

Hutaree was a Christian militia group based in Adrian, Michigan. In 2010, after an FBI agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy to use of improvised explosive devices, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.[70] Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, Defensive Action, The Freemen Community, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".[71]

In a 2005 Congressional hearing about radicalization in U.S. prisons, Sheila Jackson Lee stated that investigators needed to analyze Christian militants in America because they might try to "bring down the country."[72]


damn Wikipedia

I didn't really research it too hard though. I don't think religiously motivated violence is common in the US.
 
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I didn't really research it too hard though. I don't think religiously motivated violence is common in the US.


That was my point. I never said there was none... I said most of us had learned to coexist.
 
Also, the founders did actually intend for non-Christians to be protected in this new country. Let's not forget that.
 
Actually it has changed quite a lot. Most of us have learned to coexist peacefully.... when's the last time you heard of a Presbyterian bombing a Catholic church in America? Never, I suspect....

When was the last time someone burned a church? How many Christian's accept Jehovah witnesses as a legit belief system? How many Christian's accept that Buddha is someone ok to believe in? Hows the Muslim and Christian relations going? Why does the Christian Right not accept Separation of church and state? Westboro Baptist Church? Amish haircuts?
Why are the so much church rivalry is everyone learned to coexist so well?

But yes you are right we do not have currently the level of hate that was levied at the Catholic church in the 1800's. But their has been somewhat of an renaissance lately with the pedo-priest scandals.
 
That was my point. I never said there was none... I said most of us had learned to coexist.

So how long did it take this newly tolerant coexisting Christian country to elect the first Catholic President?
 
So how long did it take this newly tolerant coexisting Christian country to elect the first Catholic President?


JFK if I recall, in the 60's.... fifty years ago. This is relevant to today how? It's 2011 if you haven't noticed.
 
JFK if I recall, in the 60's.... fifty years ago. This is relevant to today how? It's 2011 if you haven't noticed.

I really hope you aren't suggesting we cast history aside.
 
I understand the founding fathers found it important enough to include "freedom of religion" in the Bill of Rights, but I'm not sure why they did so. Many would argue that we are a "Christian Nation" so why do we need freedom of religion? What is the reasoning behind having freedom of religion? Why not just have a Christian theocracy?

because the Founding Fathers believed in religious freedom...not religious coercion.
 
So how long did it take this newly tolerant coexisting Christian country to elect the first Catholic President?

JFK if I recall, in the 60's.... fifty years ago. This is relevant to today how? It's 2011 if you haven't noticed.

It took 171 years. I wonder how long it will be until we get the first Muslim, Jewish, or non-religious president. We have a long way to go before religious stranglehold is mitigated in this country.
 
It took 171 years. I wonder how long it will be until we get the first Muslim, Jewish, or non-religious president. We have a long way to go before religious stranglehold is mitigated in this country.


Democracy: if The People elect a muslim, jewish or atheist president, that is called voting. If they don't, they don't, and that is also democracy.
 
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