Why is the uncovering of the Epstein files so important?

[antiquity]

Funny how Trump Nation is so wise and worldly until you ask them why they are defending a proven lie and then they get all obtuse and shit.

Proven lair? You mean like Biden saying the laptop was Russian disinformation? That kind of lie?

 

[jaypatriot]

This is where you show that you just don't get it. They are pedophiles, not elitists.

In an episode of the Howard Stern Show in April 2005, Mr Trump said: “Well I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show and everyone’s getting dressed and ready, and everything else, and, you know, no men anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it, you know, I’m inspecting, I want to make sure everything is good.

“You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone ok?’ You know they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that”.

What constitutes a pedophile? Is it someone you feel should be listed as a pedophile? Or is it someone who has be indicted and convicted as a pedophile?
What proof is there, and I mean credible proof, that Trump is a pedophile?
Is it what he did 12 years before he thought about becoming the president?
How is that relevant?

 

[jaypatriot]

Nah I am not litigious. But I will say I completely disagree with you.
You cannot stoke a fire for a decade and then hope it burns itself out over summer break.

SO where there is smoke you believe there should be a fire burning to convict Trump of pedophilia in the eyes of the law?

You're hoping this conspiracy involving Trump bleeds over until the mid-terms?
We shall see. If it doesn't, what else do the Dems have to attack Trump?
Answer: Nothing.

 

[jaypatriot]

Your covering for peds is noted.
Do you also think grown men go to Thailand for the food?
All of your other massive cope is just stupid throwing shit against the wall.

I went to Thailand in the 60s for the military and for the opportunity to experience the food and the culture.
Does that make me a pedophile?

 

[antiquity]

I went to Thailand in the 60s for the military and for the opportunity to experience the food and the culture.
Does that make me a pedophile?

I also have been to Thailand years back, stopping there for the night after a job in India and a return flight to the US going around the world...I knew of a few fellow travelers who did go to the local brothels but I don't know what the ages of the prostitutes were and I never asked as I wasn't interested in what they did. Yes there is a large group of teen prostitutes in Thailand and other places in the far east. It's obviously when you walk down the streets.

​

 

[dairyair]

Very perceptive of you to bring up conflicting statements.

There are no "correct answers" until the relative documents are laid bare.
Finally, you don't know what is the truth.

I know the truth is not what your poll is about.
Glad you come to realize, this is the making of trump and bondi and their conflicting news.

February, files are on my desk.
July, there's nothing in the files or the files don't exist.

 

[dairyair]

This is where you show that you just don't get it. They are pedophiles, not elitists.

In an episode of the Howard Stern Show in April 2005, Mr Trump said: “Well I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show and everyone’s getting dressed and ready, and everything else, and, you know, no men anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it, you know, I’m inspecting, I want to make sure everything is good.

“You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone ok?’ You know they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that”.

In Summary​

It is clear that Trump himself boasted about entering contestant dressing rooms, but those comments occurred during a discussion about Miss USA and Miss Universe, not Miss Teen USA. However, real allegations from former contestants of both Miss Teen USA and Miss USA bolstered claims that Trump behaved inappropriately. However, given that the events occurred decades ago, and we only have the contradicting accounts from Trump himself, as well as his accusers' statements, we are unable to definitively say ourselves whether or not he actually entered the dressing rooms.

Did Trump Admit Going Into Changing Room of Beauty Pageant Contestants?

The then-pageant owner reportedly told Howard Stern he walked in when adult contestants were naked.

www.snopes.com

 

[Rogue Valley]

I went to Thailand in the 60s for the military and for the opportunity to experience the food and the culture.Does that make me a pedophile?

Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were both charged with trafficking (200 is a guesstimate) women for sex, many of those females being underage minors. Epstein died in jail before his trial. Epstein pleaded guilty in 2008 to one count of solicitation of prostitution and one count of solicitation of prostitution from a minor—securing a plea deal with then-U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta’s office after facing a federal investigation following state charges. Epstein was arrested again in New York in July 2019, this time facing federal charges of sex trafficking of minors and conspiracy related to his alleged abuse of “dozens of underage girls” between 2002 and 2005.

From at least 1994, up to and including in or about 2004, Ghislaine Maxwell assisted, facilitated, and participated in Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom, and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18. The victims were as young as 14 years old when they were groomed and abused by Maxwell and Epstein, both of whom knew that their victims were in fact minors. As a part and in furtherance of their scheme to abuse minor victims, Maxwell and Epstein enticed and caused minor victims to travel to Epstein’s residences in different states, which Maxwell knew and intended would result in their grooming for and subjection to sexual abuse. Ms. Maxwell was sentenced to 240 months (20 years) in prison.

Owing the fact that both Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell sexually abused minior girls, it can safely be stated that both were criminal pedophiles. Mr. Epstrein's Boeing airplane was given the moniker "Lolita Express" by airport workers in the Virgin Islands who noted the unusual number of underage girls on board many of the flights.

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For many years Trump, Republicans, and conspiricists such as QAnon pushed the narrative that Epstein was procuring underage girls for sex with the global elite (Jews and Democrats), and if an opportunity ever presented itself to such righteous people, that they would release the names of the elite and wealthy who paid Epstein for his procurement and grooming epertise. Voila! The stars aligned in early July 2025 when Trump Attorney General Pam Bodi told reporters during a presser that the Epstein files were on her desk for review and would be released to the public. The elite and wealthy would get their comeuppance! Then a perhaps not so odd thing happened. Bondi informed Donald Trump that his name appeared in the Epstein files numerous times. After dodging Epstein questions for a week, AG Pam Bondi has withdrawn from all public appearances. Against all precedent and norms, Deputy AG Todd Blanche interviewed Ghislaine Maxwell at a secret location for two days this past week. Maxwell's lawyer says Blanch offered Maxwell qualified immunity. Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of 2 counts of perjury in 2016. She is looking at prison until she is 83 years old. Her motivation for a pardon/clemency isn't all that difficult to figure out.

 

[TamleeB]

first hit of 3000

Trump slams supporters who are angered over Epstein case as 'weaklings'

President Donald Trump is lashing out at his own supporters as he tries to clamp down on criticism over his administration's handling of much-hyped records in the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking investigation, which Trump now calls a “Hoax.”

www.pbs.org

Show where he told ME that. The claim wasn’t he told everyone….but he told me.

 

[TamleeB]

This is easy, there are too many D's on the list too. Its shameful that anyone working this case should take that bullshit into consideration.
I fully expect that many high ranking Dems/left are on the list. I also expect many high ranking Rep/MAGA to be there. And they should all face death in prison.

Oh….I think there will be names from both sides of the aisle. I don’t agree they should all face death in prison. At least let’s have a trial.

 

[antiquity]

Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were both charged with trafficking (200 is a guesstimate) women for sex, many of those females being underage minors. Epstein died in jail before his trial. Epstein pleaded guilty in 2008 to one count of solicitation of prostitution and one count of solicitation of prostitution from a minor—securing a plea deal with then-U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta’s office after facing a federal investigation following state charges. Epstein was arrested again in New York in July 2019, this time facing federal charges of sex trafficking of minors and conspiracy related to his alleged abuse of “dozens of underage girls” between 2002 and 2005.

From at least 1994, up to and including in or about 2004, Ghislaine Maxwell assisted, facilitated, and participated in Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom, and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18. The victims were as young as 14 years old when they were groomed and abused by Maxwell and Epstein, both of whom knew that their victims were in fact minors. As a part and in furtherance of their scheme to abuse minor victims, Maxwell and Epstein enticed and caused minor victims to travel to Epstein’s residences in different states, which Maxwell knew and intended would result in their grooming for and subjection to sexual abuse. Ms. Maxwell was sentenced to 240 months (20 years) in prison.

Owing the fact that both Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell sexually abused minior girls, it can safely be stated that both were criminal pedophiles. Mr. Epstrein's Boeing airplane was given the moniker "Lolita Express" by airport workers in the Virgin Islands who noted the unusual number of underage girls on board many of the flights.

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For many years Trump, Republicans, and conspiricists such as QAnon pushed the narrative that Epstein was procuring underage girls for sex with the global elite (Jews and Democrats), and if an opportunity ever presented itself to such righteous people, that they would release the names of the elite and wealthy who paid Epstein for his procurement and grooming epertise. Voila! The stars aligned in early July 2025 when Trump Attorney General Pam Bodi told reporters during a presser that the Epstein files were on her desk for review and would be released to the public. The elite and wealthy would get their comeuppance! Then a perhaps not so odd thing happened. Bondi informed Donald Trump that his name appeared in the Epstein files numerous times. After dodging Epstein questions for a week, AG Pam Bondi has withdrawn from all public appearances. Against all precedent and norms, Deputy AG Todd Blanche interviewed Ghislaine Maxwell at a secret location for two days this past week. Maxwell's lawyer says Blanch offered Maxwell qualified immunity. Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of 2 counts of perjury in 2016. She is looking at prison until she is 83 years old. Her motivation for a pardon/clemency isn't all that difficult to figure out.

What do you consider an underage girl? A lot of under aged girls prostitute themselves for varies reason, drugs, home life, etc... and has for as long as sex has be sold. I failed to see any politician/religious leaders doing any thing about it over the last thousand years or longer.

 

[jaypatriot]

What do you consider an underage girl? A lot of under aged girls prostitute themselves for varies reason, drugs, home life, etc... and has for as long as sex has be sold. I failed to see any politician/religious leaders doing any thing about it over the last thousand years or longer.

What are the anti-Trump critics going to do about who was an underage girl?
If any woman who visit that disreputable Epstein island comes out to testify, are the Trump critics going to be asking to see her birth certificate to check her age when she visited that island?
If she is an adult now, are they going to see if she was underage back then?
And then is she going to uncover with whom she had sex on the island?
Is that the modus operandi of those who want to nail Trump regardless if he covorted with any female on that island?

 

[mrjurrs]

Did Trump Admit Going Into Changing Room of Beauty Pageant Contestants?

The then-pageant owner reportedly told Howard Stern he walked in when adult contestants were naked.

www.snopes.com

So you are hanging your defense of these actions on he didn't say "Miss Teen"? Did you see me make that claim?

So you are okay with him doing it to adult women? Nice...

So you obviously have proof that he walked in on naked adults, where is your proff that he did not walk in on teens?

 

[dairyair]

So you are hanging your defense of these actions on he didn't say "Miss Teen"? Did you see me make that claim?

So you are okay with him doing it to adult women? Nice...

So you obviously have proof that he walked in on naked adults, where is your proff that he did not walk in on teens?

Not hanging anything.

Just added more facts to the topic.
Where'd I say he walked in on naked adults? I only posted a story on the topic.

Do you understand the difference between words typed by a poster and a link to a story?

 

[mrjurrs]

Not hanging anything.

Just added more facts to the topic.
Where'd I say he walked in on naked adults? I only posted a story on the topic.

Do you understand the difference between words typed by a poster and a link to a story?

Do you understand that a person saying it doesn't require a source?

 

[jaypatriot]

Do you understand that a person saying it doesn't require a source?

Do you understand that seeking credibility is important when you are voicing an opinion? Do you find it strange if anyone has the temerity to ask "Really? Where did you get that from?".
In other words "How do you expect me to give credence to what you are saying if you don't back up your words with some sort of reference to reality?".

 

[dairyair]

Do you understand that a person saying it doesn't require a source?

No idea where you're going with this. Or why.

 

[quip]

So, THAT is the reason this thread was posted. We don't know who would be in those files or what their connection to Epstein would reveal.
Just as likely some Dems and other rich folks, maybe a Royal or two would be in there. BUT........................ NONE OF THAT MATTERS..
If there is even the briefest possibility that Trump might be named or that there will be evidence of inappropriate conduct, the files NEED to stay secret.

Then his loyal supporters take the route of suggestion that the ONLY reason for exposing the files is to bring Trump down, when we ALL KNOW that if any files anywhere existed that would bring Dems down without touching a Republican, a Rightie or Trump, folks like Jay would be DEMANDING their release NOW!!

It's like they aren't even trying to hide their fealty to Trump or their blind need to defend him.

AGAIN - anyone might be in those files. Might be Dems or leftists or people other than Trump. BUT .......................... if there is even a 1% chance Trump might be named and tied to something unsavory, Trumpers will want the files kept secret and come up with distractions and deflections like...................



When in fact many of the most demanding folks wanting to see the files are hardly leftists, that many of those demanding the release of those files are MAGA faithful.

But y'all know, even a 1% chance Trump might be named in those files means some of his minions will look to blame EVERYONE ELSE for wanting to release those files because those minions don't want to know who is on there. Just in case.

PEDOfare?
Or fringed benefit?

 

[mrjurrs]

Do you understand that seeking credibility is important when you are voicing an opinion? Do you find it strange if anyone has the temerity to ask "Really? Where did you get that from?".
In other words "How do you expect me to give credence to what you are saying if you don't back up your words with some sort of reference to reality?".

And what I'm saying is that when there is a recording of the person in question exists, that recording is the source.

He said it, he did it, MAGAts don't care

 

[mrjurrs]

No idea where you're going with this. Or why.

I'm saying that when there is a tape of the person saying what is at question, no source is required. (This isn't a research paper)

 

[dairyair]

I'm saying that when there is a tape of the person saying what is at question, no source is required. (This isn't a research paper)

That is true. But I don't watch videos if I don't know the context. And I'd rather not watch them anyway. It can waste a lot of time trying to figure out the message or it could be a long way into the video.

A quote directly written, is explicit and direct.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I have to say, it is extremely rare for the DoJ/BoP to transfer convicted felons such as murderers, rapists, terrorists, cartel bosses, and those who traffic/abuse minors for sex to minimum security prison facilities.

But that is exactly what has happened with the convicted trafficker of underage girls Gislaine Maxwell who, it is estimated, trafficked/groomed at least 200 underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein and his clients.

Considering the inherent political risks in such a transfer, this undoubtedly was okayed at the very top of the food chain. Donald Trump himself would have had to assent.

And to my knowledge, Trump has never expressed any sympathy for the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

All he offered was that Epstein "stole" Virginia Giuffre and other young women who worked at the spa in his Mar-a-Lago club. Ms. Giuffre committed suicide this past April at the age of 41.

 

[mrjurrs]

That is true. But I don't watch videos if I don't know the context. And I'd rather not watch them anyway. It can waste a lot of time trying to figure out the message or it could be a long way into the video.

A quote directly written, is explicit and direct.

The orange MAGAt doesn't do explicit and direct.

Trump just delivered a word salad speech that would’ve got Biden impeached

In a few short remarks, the president revealed he has very little knowledge of the U.S. economy; is incapable of remembering where his own representatives or aides are and cannot stay awake during an early afternoon public appearance, Holly Baxter writes.

www.the-independent.com

As far as written?

White House purges transcripts of Trump's remarks from its website

The White House told NBC News it has decided to post only videos. There still is one transcript remaining online, however: Trump's inaugural address.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[dairyair]

The orange MAGAt doesn't do explicit and direct.

Trump just delivered a word salad speech that would’ve got Biden impeached

In a few short remarks, the president revealed he has very little knowledge of the U.S. economy; is incapable of remembering where his own representatives or aides are and cannot stay awake during an early afternoon public appearance, Holly Baxter writes.

www.the-independent.com

As far as written?

White House purges transcripts of Trump's remarks from its website

The White House told NBC News it has decided to post only videos. There still is one transcript remaining online, however: Trump's inaugural address.

www.nbcnews.com

I am well aware trump is a 1st class narcissist POS.

But I was on the topic of him admitting or actually walking in on teens at the Miss teem pageants.

This started with me posting a fact check on that specific claim.

 

[Risky Thicket]

How many people on this site are drooling with excitement hoping to read names of prominent people who may or may not be guilty of anything?
It's like when Hitler was almost assassinated in 1944 by a group of military officers and politicians. They were all executed along with thousands of their family members. And even those who had no part in the assassination attempt were also murdered. That's called guilt by association.
Is that what the anti-Trumper are looking for? Not only those who visited the island but the friends and relatives of those who went to the island are in danger of being guilty by association.

As per your standard SOP you make an assumption about others in a manner that benefits you. Again you are wrong.

Some of us here, some Democrats, some Independents, some Conservatives and I think even some MAGAs and like you even some Christian Nationalists are concerned about the cover-up that began in Florida back in the early 2000s (I'm too lazy to go back and search for the exact date) and continue on with some of the same players even today.

Trump lied and mislead MAGAs and promised that he would go after the "Deep State". Many of us knew his promise was horseshit. Trump may not be the leader of the Deep State - he isn't that bright - but he is a card carrying member and their very own useful idiot for the time being.

Who is, who has been, calling the shots? We don't know. It's clearly a number of people, wealthy and personally non-partisan, neither truly Democrat or Republican. I'd venture to guess your lads at the Heritage Foundation are very much a part of the Deep State, as is Trump.

They have come very close to destroying our democracy.