Why Is The U. S. So Low In Deaths Per Cases?

[ReubenSherr]

You just can’t grasp the simplicity.
Since the US has 4% of the worlds population, we should only have 4% of the COVID 19 cases, not 25%.
The fact that we have over 6x times the cases means we completely mismanaged COVID 19.
That burden falls on Trump and his administration.
The numbers don’t lie.

What about the fact that the Southern Hemisphere was experiencing summer when the pandemic hit don’t you and Jake Tapper understand?

Plus, this thread is about deaths, not cases, as obviously many cases here are mild, as is evident by our deaths per cases number.

I am going to calculate our deaths per total deaths the Northern Hemisphere, and compare it to our population compared to the population of the Northern Hemisphere.

Then we’ll talk.

 

[Grand Mal]

First there is not enough testing. Now we test more than other countries. LOL

Make Joseph Goebbels proud. Spread more lies as truth.

What the heck are you on about? Seriously. Tell me what you're trying to say about the topic.
Have you looked at the site I've linked to several times in this thread or are you just looking for a juvenile slappy-fight?

For some odd reason I feel inclined to try to get through to you, so here goes...
My point is that lots and lots of testing (a good thing) loads the deaths per cases stat to the point where it needs far too much context to be useful. More useful is the percentage of resolved cases that are recoveries or deaths. Here, look at this...

United States Coronavirus: 6,749,289 Cases and 199,000 Deaths - Worldometer

That's the numbers for the USA. Scroll down to the box that says "closed cases". See it? 5% deaths, 95% recoveries. That's actually pretty good. Canada, for instance, has a 93% recovery rate in the closed cases box. Now, consider the deaths-per-infection number, consider how that number is skewed by more testing because many cases are counted twice. An individual that is counted as an infection this week could die next week and be counted again.
More testing is good, but if you do more testing than Lower Slobovia there's no use comparing your deaths per cases to Lower Slobovia unless you have a reason to fool yourself.
Does any of this make sense to you, or should I just lean back, close my eyes and slap back with both hands so you can feel on familiar ground?

 

[maquiscat]

Is it possible, just go out on a limb here, that Trump did something right?

Is it possible that many of the governors, in defiance of Trump's orders, went and did their own thing and managed to control the outbreak better than those who did what Trump said? Oh wait, that is what actually happened! Hogan, a Republican, directly defied many of the Trump orders of keeping everything open and not only took control of the situation in MD, but encouraged the other governors to do the same. He also got extra testing kits, ones that Trump claimed could not be gotten, and held them at a secret location so the Feds could not confiscate them, and then got them to medical facilities. The fact that we have state governors who can and have acted independently of Trump and the Federal government, must be taken into account here. Trump deserves none of the credit for the actions of Hogan and the other GOP governors who acted against the wishes of Trump.

 

[maquiscat]

Only using the numbers you like huh?

That can be said both ways.

 

[Drawdown]

Here's how many nations around the world stacked up in Deaths Per COVID Cases:

Why is the United States so low in Deaths per Cases?

Italy 12.4% Deaths per Cases
United Kingdom 11.4% Deaths per Cases
Belgium 10.7% Deaths per Cases
Mexico 10.6% Deaths per Cases
France 8.3% Deaths per Cases
Netherlands 7.7% Deaths per Cases
Canada 6.7% Deaths per Cases
Ireland 5.8% Deaths per Cases
Iran 5.7% Deaths per Cases
China 5.4% Deaths per Cases
Hungary 5.3% Deaths per Cases
Spain 5.2% Deaths per Cases
Switzerland 4.3% Deaths per Cases
Syria 4.3% Deaths per Cases
Peru 4.2% Deaths per Cases
Germany 3.6% Deaths per Cases
Poland 3.0% Deaths per Cases
Australia 3.0% Deaths per Cases
Brazil 3.0% Deaths per Cases
United States 3.0% Deaths per Cases

My guess is that doctors are more free to experiment and treat symptoms in our highly fragmented healthcare system as opposed to having to follow a bureaucratic approved protocol. I have been told that our local hospital starts people on morphine drips as soon as they are admitted with COVID these days.

 

[maquiscat]

^ Summary: "Don't post facts! Joe Biden said I can't hear facts!!!"

Reading comprehension problem? She didn't have an issue with the content of the thread, but the location of the thread. She didn't ask, "Why did you post this thread?" She asked, "Why did you post this thread here?"

 

[Phys251]

Here's how many nations around the world stacked up in Deaths Per COVID Cases:

Why is the United States so low in Deaths per Cases?

Italy 12.4% Deaths per Cases
United Kingdom 11.4% Deaths per Cases
Belgium 10.7% Deaths per Cases
Mexico 10.6% Deaths per Cases
France 8.3% Deaths per Cases
Netherlands 7.7% Deaths per Cases
Canada 6.7% Deaths per Cases
Ireland 5.8% Deaths per Cases
Iran 5.7% Deaths per Cases
China 5.4% Deaths per Cases
Hungary 5.3% Deaths per Cases
Spain 5.2% Deaths per Cases
Switzerland 4.3% Deaths per Cases
Syria 4.3% Deaths per Cases
Peru 4.2% Deaths per Cases
Germany 3.6% Deaths per Cases
Poland 3.0% Deaths per Cases
Australia 3.0% Deaths per Cases
Brazil 3.0% Deaths per Cases
United States 3.0% Deaths per Cases

Since the OP writer clearly has difficulty with the most basic of statistical concepts, let's help him.

Even if we are concerned solely with deaths and not serious illnesses, it is the per capita number of fatalities that should be compared between nations. Right now, America per capita COVID-19 deaths is one of the worst in the world with no end in sight. Even Sweden, who started with a colossally stupid coronavirus management plan, is now doing better than we are.

 

[maquiscat]

Undocumented wire means nothing.
Like I said the Fed pays nothing.
Your posting stupidity is hilarious.

Hang on a tic. Accuracy of payout for what aside, who does Medicare/Medicaid belong to? Are they funded via the government or via a private business? Yes, like SS, some money comes in via those enrolled. But when payouts occur, who is considered to have made that payout?

 

[Paradoxical]

What the heck are you on about? Seriously. Tell me what you're trying to say about the topic.
Have you looked at the site I've linked to several times in this thread or are you just looking for a juvenile slappy-fight?

For some odd reason I feel inclined to try to get through to you, so here goes...
My point is that lots and lots of testing (a good thing) loads the deaths per cases stat to the point where it needs far too much context to be useful. More useful is the percentage of resolved cases that are recoveries or deaths. Here, look at this...

United States Coronavirus: 6,749,289 Cases and 199,000 Deaths - Worldometer

That's the numbers for the USA. Scroll down to the box that says "closed cases". See it? 5% deaths, 95% recoveries. That's actually pretty good. Canada, for instance, has a 93% recovery rate in the closed cases box. Now, consider the deaths-per-infection number, consider how that number is skewed by more testing because many cases are counted twice. An individual that is counted as an infection this week could die next week and be counted again.
More testing is good, but if you do more testing than Lower Slobovia there's no use comparing your deaths per cases to Lower Slobovia unless you have a reason to fool yourself.
Does any of this make sense to you, or should I just lean back, close my eyes and slap back with both hands so you can feel on familiar ground?

I have said the same thing. Cases mean diddly. It was your side that was saying "Trump isn't doing testing. Bwak. Polly wanna a cracker"

 

[Grand Mal]

I have said the same thing. Cases mean diddly. It was your side that was saying "Trump isn't doing testing. Bwak. Polly wanna a cracker"

My side. Who exactly is on my side?
Never mind. You've plainly declared your value in this discussion forum.
My mistake. I knew I was wasting time and effort but I did it anyway.

Plonk.

 

[switt]

Lol, written by Trumptard

 

[ReubenSherr]

Since the OP writer clearly has difficulty with the most basic of statistical concepts, let's help him..

Who are you talking to?

And why are you incapable of quoting me and replying directly to me, instead of pretending like you have some kind of audience lol?

People with courage, and self esteem, can debate directly.

Reply directly to me, using second person lol, not third person, and I'll respond.

Otherwise, find something better to do with your time.

The topic of the thread is deaths per cases.

If you are arguing that there is a large disparity between our deaths per cases and our deaths per capita, compared to other nations, this is proof of exactly what Trump has been claiming all along, that we test more than anyone else in the world.

 

[Greenbeard]

Nice defense of Obama.

But the Canadians have twice the deaths per cases we do.

And the British, four times the deaths per cases.

Is it possible, just go out on a limb here, that Trump did something right?

No. You're boasting about access to and quality of the acute care system, which is exactly what he's trying to destroy.

 

[Phys251]

Who are you talking to?

And why are you incapable of quoting me and replying directly to me, instead of pretending like you have some kind of audience lol?

People with courage, and self esteem, can debate directly.

Reply directly to me, using second person lol, not third person, and I'll respond.

Otherwise, find something better to do with your time.

The topic of the thread is deaths per cases.

If you are arguing that there is a large disparity between our deaths per cases and our deaths per capita, compared to other nations, this is proof of exactly what Trump has been claiming all along, that we test more than anyone else in the world.

You see this, everyone? Notice what Reuben did. He didn't even try to falsify them. All he did was launch into a crazy tangent where he pretends to know infinitely more than he does about the matter.

He would be wise to take a seat and listen to those who actually know what they're talking about.

 

[ReubenSherr]

You see this, everyone? Notice what Reuben did. He didn't even try to falsify them. All he did was launch into a crazy tangent where he pretends to know infinitely more than he does about the matter.

He would be wise to take a seat and listen to those who actually know what they're talking about.

Lol you are afraid of debating directly.

When you get the self confidence up, let me know.

This thread is about deaths per cases, not deaths per capita.

If you feel that deaths per capita is more important, start a new thread. But judging by the degree of self confidence you are displaying in your posts, I’m not sure that’s an option.

 

[Phys251]

Lol you are afraid of debating directly.

When you get the self confidence up, let me know.

This thread is about deaths per cases, not deaths per capita.

If you feel that deaths per capita is more important, start a new thread. But judging by the degree of self confidence you are displaying in your posts, I’m not sure that’s an option.

Reuben could hardly be demonstrating a better example of the Dunning-Kruger effect if he tried. With his confidence in his obviously low skill in statistical reasoning, he arrogantly demands that statistics that are irrelevant to the larger point be used. He is probably suffering from TDS, which keeps him from acknowledging just how bad things are in America.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Reuben could hardly be demonstrating a better example of the Dunning-Kruger effect if he tried. With his confidence in his obviously low skill in statistical reasoning, he arrogantly demands that statistics that are irrelevant to the larger point be used. He is probably suffering from TDS, which keeps him from acknowledging just how bad things are in America.

Lol do you know what TDS stands for?

Phys, read the poll question.

That is the topic of the thread.

Why are our deaths per cases so low?

If you’re unable to respond to the topic, start a new thread, and we can discuss whether deaths per capita is more or less relevant than deaths per cases.

Your statement about “how bad things are in America” is extremely telling BTW, and it scares me the hell away from the Democratic Party. Things have to be bad, nothing can be good, it would advantage Trump. Pretty sick if you ask me.

 

[Slavister]

Just the opposite. Hospitals code deaths with the virus as from the virus because they get more money from the feds that way.

I know because I talked to one in my area.

Nope. I don't care who you think you talked to or how you misunderstood them or whether they knew themselves. While this overcounting DOES happen on occasion, vast majority of WITH the virus is really BECAUSE of virus. Chances of someone dying for co-morbidity during the weeks when they have the virus is small and often the other conditions is direct result of having the virus - i.e. they would not have died if they did not have the virus. However this small overcounting is FAR FAR FAR outpaced by UNDERcounting from people dying at home and not having been tested earlier on. Heck, even today, we do NOT have enough tests to test all dead people.

 

[Jay59]

Here are some possible reasons:

1. US is undercounting deaths. Last estimates I've seen (based on overall increase in deaths vs what would be expected normally this year) suggest about 30k undercount which puts us at 3.5%.

2. European strain is deadlier than Asian strain. US has both (Western coast got Asian strain while Eastern coast got European one). E.g. South Korea has less than 2%. Australia 2.5%. Both less than US.

3. Europe (as well as much of the rest of the world) has older people living with younger people a lot more often than in US.

4. US got hit later than Europe. We knew more about management of covid than Europe. (Not by too much but still a contributing factor)

5. We are NOW testing more people who are less likely to die. We did not used to when it mattered more, but perhaps we do now.

6. A lot of cases in US arrived as part of the SECOND wave in the summer. It's possible the virus mutated further to be less deadly. Who knows...

Where is the none of the above option? Maybe there is something to #5. I'll go with that one. Moreso than other countries, blanket testing of entire groups is possible, thanks to new tests that are now available. So, we can have NBA semi-finals with LA playing LA, or not. I'm holding out for the Nuggets.

Some are silly. US is overcounting deaths for financial reasons. Differentiating strains is, excuse the expression, straining credibility. Second, third generation and succeeding generation are typically less deadly with viruses, though there are known exceptions.