Why Is The U. S. So Low In Deaths Per Cases?

[Grand Mal]

? Why is it meaningless ?
It may be a significant measure of treatments.
jus' wondering
nice night to ya' GM

Relatively meaningless. Deaths per cases is a pretty soft stat in that identifying cases isn't the same from country to country. I follow the numbers on this site...

Coronavirus Update (Live): 29,225,316 Cases and 929,197 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Among other things it tracks tests per million, for example. The US number is 278,894, higher than nearly everyone. This means the US identifies more cases. There's a chance in countries that test less that people die of Covid without having been identified as infected, which skews the deaths per case number.
I put more stock in the deaths per million population stat when assessing the impact of the virus.

 

[Grand Mal]

If we had the highest rate in the world you'd be crowing. The case fatal rate is one of the prime measures health experts us. It addresses the quality of healthcare we provide, for one thing. Case fatality rate and the companion infection fatal rates are used by professionals.

I think the number you should be looking at in that case is in the "closed cases" box at this site...

Coronavirus Update (Live): 29,227,302 Cases and 929,263 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Cases which have been resolved. For the US, That's 95% recovered, 5% died. Better than Canada, for example, where the numbers are 93% and 7%. The difference might be more a matter of younger, stronger people getting infected than the quality of health care. World wide the numbers are 96 and 4.
One problem with deaths by cases is you count people twice, when they get the disease and when they die and you count people as cases when they will soon be counted again as deaths.
What is there about anything I've said here that justifies your nasty, snarky personal slur?

 

[Moderate Right]

Why did you post this thread here? You can find logical answers based on facts in the section specifically made for this topic.

Ummmmmmmmmmm, he posted the facts. The facts wouldn't be any different if they were posted in another section. This is a poll so he posted it in the poll section.

 

[Grand Mal]

Do you realize what you just said?

Trump has been saying this for months, Democrats do nothing but scoff at it.

Of course I realize what I said. Do you dispute it?

 

[Bullseye]

I think the number you should be looking at in that case is in the "closed cases" box at this site...

Coronavirus Update (Live): 29,227,302 Cases and 929,263 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Cases which have been resolved. For the US, That's 95% recovered, 5% died. Better than Canada, for example, where the numbers are 93% and 7%. The difference might be more a matter of younger, stronger people getting infected than the quality of health care. World wide the numbers are 96 and 4.
One problem with deaths by cases is you count people twice, when they get the disease and when they die and you count people as cases when they will soon be counted again as deaths.
What is there about anything I've said here that justifies your nasty, snarky personal slur?

Read your post that I was responding to.
My point, which you tangentially point on is that deaths per million favors countries with younger, healthier populations, i.e. there are a lot of outside influences. I favor the CFR because it's more accurate in assessing the country's handling of the pandemic, e.g. if a country has a humongous number of cases but a extremely low CFR they must be doing something correct.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Meaningless numbers for Trump’s cover.
The U.S. has 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds COVID 19 cases.
These are meaningful numbers that reflect Trump’s total failure as a leader.

Absolute BS, designed to get Biden into office. Fraudulently.

The entire Southern Hemisphere was experiencing summer at the time the pandemic hit, and had months of time to prepare.

You know this, and so does Jake Tapper, Bill Clinton, and everyone at CNN purposely spreading misleading information.

CNN now has no authority to fact check anybody.

Speaking of which, the United Kingdom has 0.85% of the world's population, but 4.5% of the world's deaths.

Basically the same ratio as ours.

You might want to let The Guardian and the BBC know this.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Of course I realize what I said. Do you dispute it?

That we test more than anybody else, worldwide?

No.

Trump has been saying this for months, liberals have been laughing at him.

And you basically just gave us proof. Given our deaths per cases stats vs. our deaths per capita.

There goes the argument that Trump failed in the testing department.

 

[ClaraD]

Do you realize what you just said?

Trump has been saying this for months, Democrats do nothing but scoff at it.

we test more because we have 350 million people that need tested....how many does Spain have in comparison?

 

[bongsaway]

Lol it takes a minute or so to add the poll.

See above.

BTW I'm not looking for answers personally, that wasn't the point of the thread. I know what my answer is.

So do we.

 

[ReubenSherr]

we test more because we have 350 million people that need tested....how many does Spain have in comparison?

Grand Mal was arguing that we test a higher percentage of our population than anyone else, hence the reason why our deaths per cases is so low, even compared to our deaths per capita.

 

[SMTA]

Absolute BS, designed to get Biden into office. Fraudulently.

The entire Southern Hemisphere was experiencing summer at the time the pandemic hit, and had months of time to prepare.

You know this, and so does Jake Tapper, Bill Clinton, and everyone at CNN purposely spreading misleading information.

CNN now has no authority to fact check anybody.

Speaking of which, the United Kingdom has 0.85% of the world's population, but 4.5% of the world's deaths.

Basically the same ratio as ours.

You might want to let The Guardian and the BBC know this.

Proper mathematics presented accurately do not lie.
People that are ignorant about mathematics only show their ignorance through their lack of understanding.
Congratulations.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Proper mathematics presented accurately do not lie.
People that are ignorant about mathematics only show their ignorance through their lack of understanding.
Congratulations.

???

Point out the mathematical error, please.

"the United Kingdom has 0.85% of the world's population, but 4.5% of the world's deaths."

"the United States has 4.2% of the world's population, but 21% of the world's deaths."

Nearly the same ratio.

Is Boris Johnson a mass murderer?

 

[Aletheia]

If you selectively cherry pick a list of nations to compare, as many on here seem to do -- you could of course make US look better than the rest of the world in case-fatality ratios. I can also, similarly, make it look the worst, as shown in the table below.

If you choose a more objective and representative sample of countries around the world, you'd find that US is not the best, it's somewhere in the middle of reported case fatality ratios. On the other hand it has the greatest wealth and resources to combat the virus and should likewise, have the best case fatality ratio. As can be seen here, it does not.

The two statistics US indisputably leads the world in are absolute cases and deaths. Not a flattering accomplishment, for the wealthiest country on the planet.

Cases and mortality by country
Country

Case-Fatality ratio 3rd Column
...
US 6,519,573 194,071 3.0% 59.32
Bosnia and Herzegovina 23,465 696 3.0% 20.94
Guyana 1,853 56 3.0% 7.19
Poland 74,152 2,188 3.0% 5.76
Gambia 3,405 103 3.0% 4.52
Nicaragua 4,818 144 3.0% 2.23
Zimbabwe 7,526 224 3.0% 1.55
Portugal 63,983 1,867 2.9% 18.16
El Salvador 26,928 785 2.9% 12.23
Albania 11,353 334 2.9% 11.65
Somalia 3,389 98 2.9% 0.65
Iraq 290,309 8,014 2.8% 20.85
Mauritius 361 10 2.8% 0.79
Chile 434,748 11,949 2.7% 63.80
Lesotho 1,245 33 2.7% 1.57
Moldova 42,978 1,123 2.6% 31.67
Lithuania 3,335 87 2.6% 3.12
Haiti 8,493 219 2.6% 1.97
Uruguay 1,808 45 2.5% 1.30
Congo (Kinshasa) 10,390 264 2.5% 0.31
South Africa 649,793 15,447 2.4% 26.73
Kyrgyzstan 44,881 1,063 2.4% 16.83
Turkey 291,162 7,056 2.4% 8.57
Estonia 2,676 64 2.4% 4.85
Latvia 1,474 35 2.4% 1.82
Togo 1,572 37 2.4% 0.47
Bahamas 2,928 67 2.3% 17.37
Serbia 32,408 733 2.3% 10.50
Austria 33,159 756 2.3% 8.55
Greece 13,240 305 2.3% 2.84
Zambia 13,539 312 2.3% 1.80
Cuba 4,684 108 2.3% 0.95
Norway 12,154 265 2.2% 4.99
Mauritania 7,276 161 2.2% 3.66
Panama 101,745 2,166 2.1% 51.86
Pakistan 302,020 6,383 2.1% 3.01
Senegal 14,280 297 2.1% 1.87
Cameroon 20,167 415 2.1% 1.65
Brunei 145 3 2.1% 0.70
Armenia 45,862 916 2.0% 31.03
Argentina 555,537 11,352 2.0% 25.51
Suriname 4,582 93 2.0% 16.15
Ukraine 158,122 3,239 2.0% 7.26
Dominican Republic 103,660 1,968 1.9% 18.52
Eswatini 5,075 98 1.9% 8.63
Paraguay 27,817 525 1.9% 7.55
Japan 75,646 1,448 1.9% 1.14
Nigeria 56,256 1,082 1.9% 0.55
South Sudan 2,578 49 1.9% 0.45
Montenegro 6,712 120 1.8% 19.28
Morocco 86,686 1,578 1.8% 4.38
Congo (Brazzaville) 4,928 88 1.8% 1.68
Benin 2,267 40 1.8% 0.35
Luxembourg 7,159 124 1.7% 20.40
Russia 1,059,024 18,517 1.7% 12.82
Sao Tome and Principe 906 15 1.7% 7.11
Equatorial Guinea 4,996 83 1.7% 6.34
India 4,754,356 78,586 1.7% 5.81
Croatia 13,533 224 1.7% 5.48
Philippines 261,216 4,371 1.7% 4.10
Trinidad and Tobago 3,042 53 1.7% 3.81
Guinea-Bissau 2,275 39 1.7% 2.08
Kenya 36,157 622 1.7% 1.21
Thailand 3,475 58 1.7% 0.08
Libya 22,781 362 1.6% 5.42
Ethiopia 64,301 1,013 1.6% 0.93
Tunisia 6,635 107 1.6% 0.93
Korea, South 22,285 363 1.6% 0.70
Kazakhstan 106,855 1,634 1.5% 8.94
Azerbaijan 38,327 562 1.5% 5.65
Comoros 456 7 1.5% 0.84
Bangladesh 337,520 4,733 1.4% 2.93
Cyprus 1,526 22 1.4% 1.85
Taiwan* 498 7 1.4% 0.03
Saudi Arabia 325,651 4,268 1.3% 12.66
Belize 1,480 19 1.3% 4.96
Czechia 36,188 456 1.3% 4.29
Central African Republic 4,749 62 1.3% 1.33
Madagascar 15,757 211 1.3% 0.80
New Zealand 1,798 24 1.3% 0.49
Malaysia 9,915 128 1.3% 0.41
Papua New Guinea 510 6 1.2% 0.07
Costa Rica 55,454 590 1.1% 11.80
Djibouti 5,395 61 1.1% 6.36
Jamaica 3,771 42 1.1% 1.43
Uganda 4,799 55 1.1% 0.13
Belarus 74,173 750 1.0% 7.91
Namibia 9,719 101 1.0% 4.13
Lebanon 24,310 241 1.0% 3.52
Oman 89,746 780 0.9% 16.15
Cabo Verde 4,813 44 0.9% 8.09
Georgia 2,227 19 0.9% 0.51
Venezuela 60,540 485 0.8% 1.68
Uzbekistan 47,287 390 0.8% 1.18
Tajikistan 9,049 72 0.8% 0.79
Burma 3,015 24 0.8% 0.04
Israel 155,604 1,119 0.7% 12.60
West Bank and Gaza 30,574 221 0.7% 4.84
Slovakia 5,532 38 0.7% 0.70
Jordan 3,314 24 0.7% 0.24
Mozambique 5,269 35 0.7% 0.12
Kuwait 94,764 560 0.6% 13.54
Malta 2,352 15 0.6% 3.10
Gabon 8,643 53 0.6% 2.50
Nepal 54,159 345 0.6% 1.23
Ghana 45,434 286 0.6% 0.96
Guinea 10,045 63 0.6% 0.51
Cote d'Ivoire 19,013 120 0.6% 0.48
United Arab Emirates 79,489 399 0.5% 4.14
Iceland 2,165 10 0.5% 2.83
Rwanda 4,591 22 0.5% 0.18
Bahrain 60,307 212 0.4% 13.51
Botswana 2,252 10 0.4% 0.44
Sri Lanka 3,234 12 0.4% 0.06
Maldives 9,173 32 0.3% 6.21
Qatar 121,740 205 0.2% 7.37
Singapore 57,406 27 0.0% 0.48

 

[SMTA]

???

Point out the mathematical error, please.

"the United Kingdom has 0.85% of the world's population, but 4.5% of the world's deaths."

"the United States has 4.2% of the world's population, but 21% of the world's deaths."

Nearly the same ratio.

Is Boris Johnson a mass murderer?

I see that you again don’t understand, and did not understand either of my simple posts.
Learn to read and actually comprehend before posting.
Strike 2

 

[Greenbeard]

The Affordable Care Act has certainly limited deaths among those infected. Contra the rightwing predictions, acute care quality is pretty good here!

Trump and the GOP should stop trying to take it away.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Here's how many nations around the world stacked up in Deaths Per COVID Cases:

Why is the United States so low in Deaths per Cases?

Italy 12.4% Deaths per Cases
United Kingdom 11.4% Deaths per Cases
Belgium 10.7% Deaths per Cases
Mexico 10.6% Deaths per Cases
France 8.3% Deaths per Cases
Netherlands 7.7% Deaths per Cases
Canada 6.7% Deaths per Cases
Ireland 5.8% Deaths per Cases
Iran 5.7% Deaths per Cases
China 5.4% Deaths per Cases
Hungary 5.3% Deaths per Cases
Spain 5.2% Deaths per Cases
Switzerland 4.3% Deaths per Cases
Syria 4.3% Deaths per Cases
Peru 4.2% Deaths per Cases
Germany 3.6% Deaths per Cases
Poland 3.0% Deaths per Cases
Australia 3.0% Deaths per Cases
Brazil 3.0% Deaths per Cases
United States 3.0% Deaths per Cases

None of your answers are correct.

 

[ReubenSherr]

I see that you again don’t understand, and did not understand either of my simple posts.
Learn to read and actually comprehend before posting.
Strike 2

Cut the cryptic BS lol.

If there’s a mathematical error, point it out.

Otherwise, I’ll repeat, Boris Johnson is in the exact same boat as Trump, as are many other leaders in the Northern Hemisphere, in terms of deaths per percentage of the world’s population.

I’m sorry if this ruins your misleading narrative.

 

[ReubenSherr]

The Affordable Care Act has certainly limited deaths among those infected.

Lol give me a break.

We have twice as easy access to health care as the Canadians?

Four times as easy access to health care as the British?

 

[Greenbeard]

Lol give me a break.

We have twice as easy access to health care as the Canadians?

Four times as easy access to health care as the British?

Access is only one piece of the ACA, though the benefits during a pandemic are obvious. Hospital quality is another. Changing provider business models to encourage investments in things like telehealth (which ending up freeing up capacity during COVID surges) yet another. The acute care system is quite good, and was able to make up for some of this administration’s massive failings in allowing the virus to spread. Huzzah for the ACA.

 

[Nickyjo]

Here are some possible reasons:

1. US is undercounting deaths. Last estimates I've seen (based on overall increase in deaths vs what would be expected normally this year) suggest about 30k undercount which puts us at 3.5%.

2. European strain is deadlier than Asian strain. US has both (Western coast got Asian strain while Eastern coast got European one). E.g. South Korea has less than 2%. Australia 2.5%. Both less than US.

3. Europe (as well as much of the rest of the world) has older people living with younger people a lot more often than in US.

4. US got hit later than Europe. We knew more about management of covid than Europe. (Not by too much but still a contributing factor)

5. We are NOW testing more people who are less likely to die. We did not used to when it mattered more, but perhaps we do now.

6. A lot of cases in US arrived as part of the SECOND wave in the summer. It's possible the virus mutated further to be less deadly. Who knows...

Why aren’t you blaming liberals and Trump haters?

 

[ReubenSherr]

Access is only one piece of the ACA, though the benefits during a pandemic are obvious. Hospital quality is another. Changing provider business models to encourage investments in things like telehealth (which ending up freeing up capacity during COVID surges) yet another. The acute care system is quite good, and was able to make up for some of this administration’s massive failings in allowing the virus to spread. Huzzah for the ACA.

Nice defense of Obama.

But the Canadians have twice the deaths per cases we do.

And the British, four times the deaths per cases.

Is it possible, just go out on a limb here, that Trump did something right?

 

[Yes_Minister]

Nice defense of Obama.

But the Canadians have twice the deaths per cases we do.

And the British, four times the deaths per cases.

Is it possible, just go out on a limb here, that Trump did something right?

How many Covid deaths were in Canada today or yesterday? How were there in the US on those same days?

 

[SMTA]

Cut the cryptic BS lol.

If there’s a mathematical error, point it out.

Otherwise, I’ll repeat, Boris Johnson is in the exact same boat as Trump, as are many other leaders in the Northern Hemisphere, in terms of deaths per percentage of the world’s population.

I’m sorry if this ruins your misleading narrative.

Not cryptic. Simple.
I didn’t compare population and deaths.
Learn to read.
You also have no idea what that means standing alone.
There is no need to compare with another country to understand.
Math is not your friend.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Because deaths per cases is a meaningless stat but one that Trumpelievers can twist into a positive. The US tests more so identifies more cases which loads that stat. Deaths per capita is an accurate measure.

Only using the numbers you like huh?

 

[ReubenSherr]

Not cryptic. Simple.
I didn’t compare population and deaths.
Learn to read.
You also have no idea what that means standing alone.
There is no need to compare with another country to understand.
Math is not your friend.

Lol this sounds like you’re trying to bury the stat I posted.

So let me repost.

The United Kingdom has a similar ratio of percentage of deaths to percentage of world population we do. As do many other countries in the NORTHERN hemisphere, which was experiencing winter when the pandemic hit.

So if the liberal media wants to use this misleading stat against Trump, they’d better be ready to use it against their buddy Boris Johnson as well.

The United Kingdom has 0.85% of the world’s population, and 4.5% of the world’s deaths.

The United States has 4.2% of the world’s population, and 21% of the world’s deaths.