Why Is the Obamacare Rollout Failing?

[iliveonramen]

So now the hack says that Tea Party member and conservative are not the people and their concerns aren't worth listening to? Wow you must rank pretty high in the hackass party!

I never said any of that. I pointed out that the Tea Party doesn't speak for "the citizens"....or the collective block of all citizens in this country.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

I never said any of that. I pointed out that the Tea Party doesn't speak for "the citizens"....or the collective block of all citizens in this country.

Tea Party members ARE citizens so yes they do speak for citizens, just like every other political organization that has a view does. The Democrats speak for the minority of citizens who are Democrats. The Republicans Speak for the minority of citizens who are Republicans. The Green Party speak for the minority of citizens who are Greenies.

Nobody speaks for everyone. Only a hack thinks they do.

 

[iliveonramen]

Tea Party members ARE citizens so yes they do speak for citizens, just like every other political organization that has a view does.

You said they speak for "the citizens"....which is the collective whole. The Tea party does not represent "the citizens" of the United States.

The Democrats speak for the minority of citizens who are Democrats. The Republicans Speak for the minority of citizens who are Republicans. The Green Party speak for the minority of citizens who are Greenies.

Not sure where you believe I disagree with that.

Nobody speaks for everyone. Only a hack thinks they do.

I agree! Therefore your use of "the citizens" was hackish.

 

[Carleen]

So the Tea Party is the one who said No negotiations over the budget? I did not know Obama was a Tea Party member!

Ha Ha! good one. I like it.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

You said they speak for "the citizens"....which is the collective whole. The Tea party does not represent "the citizens" of the United States.

Actually it was you who brought up 'the citizens'. Is your memory so bad you forget what you posted an hour and a half ago?

"There's been a conversation about reducing spending for the past 3 years or so. That's the only conversation that's been occurring.

Also...quit pretending that Tea partiers or conservatives represent anyone other than Tea Partiers and conservatives. The only hack here is acting like they are the "people" or "the citizens"...like they have some special mandate from the people after they just lost an election."

Post #49 1:18 pm.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Not sure where you believe I disagree with that.

Oh so a minority that agrees with your views is worth listening to but a minority who rejects your views isn't? That about sum up your philosophy?

 

[clownboy]

You said they speak for "the citizens"....which is the collective whole. The Tea party does not represent "the citizens" of the United States.


Not sure where you believe I disagree with that.


I agree! Therefore your use of "the citizens" was hackish.

You quoted what was said:

Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie
Tea Party members ARE citizens so yes they do speak for citizens, just like every other political organization that has a view does.

So where did he say "the citizens"?

Hmmm, what interesting is according to the liberal script running about during the shutdown, the TP controlled the PEOPLE'S House. That is indeed the majority of "the citizens" by definition. :mrgreen:

 

[iliveonramen]

Actually it was you who brought up 'the citizens'. Is your memory so bad you forget what you posted an hour and a half ago?

"There's been a conversation about reducing spending for the past 3 years or so. That's the only conversation that's been occurring.

Also...quit pretending that Tea partiers or conservatives represent anyone other than Tea Partiers and conservatives. The only hack here is acting like they are the "people" or "the citizens"...like they have some special mandate from the people after they just lost an election."

Post #49 1:18 pm.

That was in response to this.....

No the citizens lost. Only a hack cannot see that.
Why on earth do I have to go back and repeat what you typed. Are you so blind to anything you don't want to see that your eyes automatically skip over it?

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

That was in response to this.....

No the citizens lost. Only a hack cannot see that.
Why on earth do I have to go back and repeat what you typed. Are you so blind to anything you don't want to see that your eyes automatically skip over it?

And in you ramen fed mind that equates to me saying the Tea Party speaks for the citizens? Damn boy eat some veggies.

 

[iliveonramen]

You quoted what was said:



So where did he say "the citizens"?

Hmmm, what interesting is according to the liberal script running about during the shutdown, the TP controlled the PEOPLE'S House. That is indeed the majority of "the citizens" by definition. :mrgreen:

No the citizens lost. Only a hack cannot see that.

Was what I responded to.

The People's House is what the House is called colloquially. Not "by definition". In fact "by definition" there were more votes for Democratic House members than there were for Republicans so in no way does the House Represent "the people"

 

[iliveonramen]

And in you ramen fed mind that equates to me saying the Tea Party speaks for the citizens? Damn boy eat some veggies.

You:so the Tea Party is the one who said No negotiations over the budget? I did not know Obama was a Tea Party member!

Me: Heebie...you're like a Japanese soldier living in a cave 40 years after the ending of World War II bunkered down still fighting the war. Let me save you the heartache...the argument over who is responsible for the shutdown is over and you guys lost

You: No the citizens lost. Only a hack cannot see that.

And btw who lost? What is the conversation in DC abou tnow, expanding government or reducing spending?

So either the Tea Party's failed attempt to defund Obamacare was a loss for "the citizens" or you presume to speak for all Citizens. Either way you seem to have a problem recalling what you typed not too long ago.

 

[iliveonramen]

Oh so a minority that agrees with your views is worth listening to but a minority who rejects your views isn't? That about sum up your philosophy?

Where did you pull that out of? obviously not this forum.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

So either the Tea Party's failed attempt to defund Obamacare was a loss for "the citizens" or you presume to speak for all Citizens. Either way you seem to have a problem recalling what you typed not too long ago.

So now I am the Tea Party? Well then that changes a lot.

 

[iliveonramen]

So now I am the Tea Party? Well then that changes a lot.

It's like trying to pin down jello and about as enlightening.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Where did you pull that out of? obviously not this forum.

You don't seem to have a problem being a hack for the Dems, a minority of citizens, and trashing anyone else who disagrees with them. You claim that those who disagree with you and try to do something to get their views acted on are just not worth even listening to because, well, they are just a minority of people.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

It's like trying to pin down jello and about as enlightening.

Trying to follow your logic makes pinning down jello while herding cats seem like a simple task.

 

[iliveonramen]

You don't seem to have a problem being a hack for the Dems, a minority of citizens, and trashing anyone else who disagrees with them. You claim that those who disagree with you and try to do something to get their views acted on are just not worth even listening to because, well, they are just a minority of people.

Once again...please point where I said that. Thanks.

 

[iliveonramen]

Trying to follow your logic makes pinning down jello while herding cats seem like a simple task.

My logic is you made a broad sweeping statement that Republicans not getting a shutdown of the government was a loss for "The citizens". Therefore either the Republicans represent "The Citizen' or you assume to speak for "The citizen". It's not really that hard to follow. Either way it fits into the rhetoric on the right that the rights stands for "the people" or" The citizen" or "real americans" or whtever the most detested political party in the country claims to represent.

 

[NeoVsMatrix]

Well, we could talk about how Krugman was an ass to accuse Bush of wanting government to fail because Bush was a big government Republican.

Ok, i don't know enough about Krugman (barely follow / read him), and sure not enough to judge on his positions back at Bush times. Sorry.

We could talk about how Bush was remarkably good at getting things done and understood far better than Krugman what government's capabilities are.

Ok, that one, even not knowing Krugman that well... i sure would have nothing to contribute to. I would not find a lot - if anything - good to say about Bush handling his presidency, and for sure not anything "remarkably" good.

We could predict that Krugman is going to apply a double standard now that a Democrat is having problems getting things to work, as Krugman has done on so many other occasions, ripping Bush for running up the deficit while finding no problem with Obama running up the deficit, for example.

Ok, we might get something here.. if we can put down the Krugman focus and stick to the topic in general, which i would call "partisanship and short term memory in pundits / politically biased content providers".

There are a number of worthwhile avenues for discussion.:mrgreen:

In the end, that would all have nothing to do with the initial question "Why is the ACA rollout failing ?". Just saying.

 

[Linc]

Were there problems rolling out Medicare??
Wasn't Reagan the leader of the opposition to Medicare??
What would it be like if the the "loyal opposition" actually put forth good ideas, the GOP of IKE, not today's McCarthyites 2.0 ?

 

[Linc]

Imagine a Country where 26 states did not prevent the Medicaid extension??
We see governors Walker and Kasich saying yes to the Medicaid extension since they're up for reelection in Purple states..

Once again...please point where I said that. Thanks.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

My logic is you made a broad sweeping statement that Republicans not getting a shutdown of the government was a loss for "The citizens".

Since I never said anything like that I have to chalk it up to hackery or the non-existence of any logic from you.

Perhaps you should go play with your jello, it is a mental equal to you.

 

[iliveonramen]

Since I never said anything like that I have to chalk it up to hackery or the non-existence of any logic from you.

Perhaps you should go play with your jello, it is a mental equal to you.

Heebie...you're like a Japanese soldier living in a cave 40 years after the ending of World War II bunkered down still fighting the war. Let me save you the heartache...the argument over who is responsible for the shutdown is over and you guys lost.

No the citizens lost. Only a hack cannot see that.

 

[EdwinWillers]

This is one of Paul Krugman's great insights, so it must be true, right?

Yeah, how many times have we heard that old saw. Republicans hate government so they get elected to prove government is bad at running things. Krugman coined that one back when Bush was president, and all his little acolytes agreed with him.

So what does it mean when Obama proves that government is bad at running things? What do Krugman and his little buddies say now?

"It's just a glitch." :mrgreen:

 

[BmanMcfly]

It's rare that I am accused of being a nice person.....:lol:

I don't think Obamacare is a good deal... and i've never believed NAFTA was good deal either.

I meant nice in the sense that you are an average person that doesn't go around looking to scam people, because you can't see the mentality of scam artist.

when it comes to foreign trade... i'm definitely a free market player, therefore anti-NAFTA
when it comes to healthcare, I'm more of a far left loon than most would guess..

That's fair, look, a system like Canada has is not all terribly bad, where the emergency rooms are treated as a type of triage system where those most needing assistance are priority. Unfortunately that's led to people waiting excessively long times and
insurance pays for dr time, and you pay for "material" only (without supplemental insurance).

Now, if the proposed setup even RESEMBLED that, I wouldn't oppose it as strongly as ACA... It's more of a heist than healthcare.