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Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

Scatty Kitty said:
I have a NRA gun instructor here who doesn't know how to spot someone who might use their gun to kill themselves, I think I'm very qualified to make that call. And seeing as how most people here in this thread don't store their firearms properly... I'm feeling very qualified to say the average gun owner isn't safe with firearms.
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What you really are saying is that most gun owners don’t follow the safety and storage roles you heard some anti gun clowns spew and you readily parrot. Nothing more.

You are entitled to feel anywhere you choose just know reality tells a completely different story.
 
braindrain said:
What you really are saying is that most gun owners don’t follow the safety and storage roles you heard some anti gun clowns spew and you readily parrot. Nothing more.

You are entitled to feel anywhere you choose just know reality tells a completely different story.
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Anything else to add other than "I don't like what you say"?
 
jaeger19 said:
Um no. You didn’t show anything of the sort.
You stated that gun instructors should “ spot” people with suicidal ideation.
And I asked you how someone would “ spot” someone with suicide ideation from a crowd ( like on a gun range)
You then blathered about “ questions to ask “

And I asked how the logistics of your premise would work.

So again:
Okay. Explain how that works .
The instructor arrives at the gun range for a concealed carry basic safety class .
Thirty students assemble at the outside range and take seats for the beginner safety class.

Now what?
Do you ask for a show of hands:
1.Do you have a suicide plan?
2. Do you have thoughts of hurting yourself or others?
3. Do you have the means to act on these thoughts?

Exactly how is this screening process going to take place?
Why do you think that this will be an effective screening for suicide?
Do you think that people who are contemplating suicide are going to confide in an nra instructor they just met??
What liability does the nra instructor have for doing this screening and essentially obtaining their medical information?
Should nra instructors be required to do such screening and if so what’s the penalty for non compliance.?

So again.
The question is whether you can support and explain your proposal of gun instructors “ being required to “ spot” people with suicidal ideation. Or you are just flapping your guns in ignorance.
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So how do you spot something that is hidden? You bring it out by asking questions. The word you're looking for is "baiting" if we're being manipulative. Or simple "asking a question" if it's at worst content neutral. You're a medical professional and you don't know how to get patients to tell you things they might not know themselves? You know how to do that already, or you're not a very good medical professional.

And as already said, I already answered your questions. Unless you have anything else to add, you're done.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
I don't doubt there are safe gun owners. I don't think there are many. And based on many of the answers I've received in this thread, most of them don't know anything about being safe with guns. It's a status title, not a tool that will be used in its intended role.
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This again? At its base (the bold), it's foolish and tone-deaf. So you are starting out by ignoring fact.

There are 400 million guns in the US and ~36,000 gun deaths per year in the US. The ratio of guns owned : gun deaths is so small you need an electron microscope to see it.​

So right there, your foundational statement is proven wrong The vast vast number of gun owners are safe gun owners. Right? If not, dispute this based on your statement (in bold above)?
 
Lursa said:
This again? At its base (the bold), it's foolish and tone-deaf. So you are starting out by ignoring fact.

There are 400 million guns in the US and ~36,000 gun deaths per year in the US. The ratio of guns owned : gun deaths is so small you need an electron microscope to see it.​

So right there, your foundational statement is proven wrong The vast vast number of gun owners are safe gun owners. Right? If not, dispute this based on your statement (in bold above)?
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So a gun owner who uses their firearm for domestic violence is an example of a responsible firearm owner? Tell me does the pistol whip to a pregnant woman count as more or less responsible? Do you see how bad it is to limit your argument to only gun deaths when it's not one or two issues but a system of issues that result in irresponsible firearm owners having access to guns that kill people.
 
Rich2018 said:
Wait for his abuse.
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To be fair this thread is just a bunch of gun nerds being told that they don't know how to do something they hold dearly. I mean, imagine realizing that you're not responsible with something you were told you were.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
So how do you spot something that is hidden? You bring it out by asking questions. The word you're looking for is "baiting" if we're being manipulative. Or simple "asking a question" if it's at worst content neutral. You're a medical professional and you don't know how to get patients to tell you things they might not know themselves? You know how to do that already, or you're not a very good medical professional.

And as already said, I already answered your questions. Unless you have anything else to add, you're done.
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You didn’t answer my questions yet again.

So again:
Okay. Explain how that works .
The instructor arrives at the gun range for a concealed carry basic safety class .
Thirty students assemble at the outside range and take seats for the beginner safety class.

Now what?
Do you ask for a show of hands:
1.Do you have a suicide plan?
2. Do you have thoughts of hurting yourself or others?
3. Do you have the means to act on these thoughts?

Exactly how is this screening process going to take place?
Why do you think that this will be an effective screening for suicide?
Do you think that people who are contemplating suicide are going to confide in an nra instructor they just met??
What liability does the nra instructor have for doing this screening and essentially obtaining their medical information?
Should nra instructors be required to do such screening and if so what’s the penalty for non compliance.?
 
Scatty Kitty said:
So a gun owner who uses their firearm for domestic violence is an example of a responsible firearm owner? Tell me does the pistol whip to a pregnant woman count as more or less responsible? Do you see how bad it is to limit your argument to only gun deaths when it's not one or two issues but a system of issues that result in irresponsible firearm owners having access to guns that kill people.
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Citation please on the number of gun owners who pistol whip pregnant women .

You see how absurd your argument is?
 
Scatty Kitty said:
Anything else to add other than "I don't like what you say"?
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It has nothing do with liking or not liking. I simply pointed out the stupidity of the method you are trying to use to determine if gun owners are safe.
Most gun owners are safe with their guns. The data proves this. No amount of you bleating about how they don’t follow the rules you want them to will change that.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
So a gun owner who uses their firearm for domestic violence is an example of a responsible firearm owner? Tell me does the pistol whip to a pregnant woman count as more or less responsible? Do you see how bad it is to limit your argument to only gun deaths when it's not one or two issues but a system of issues that result in irresponsible firearm owners having access to guns that kill people.
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Answer my questions first before asking more of your own. They were pretty straightforward. Even if you want to extend it to "injury" the ratio is so ridiculous that it's still miniscule as described.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
To be fair this thread is just a bunch of gun nerds being told that they don't know how to do something they hold dearly. I mean, imagine realizing that you're not responsible with something you were told you were.
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Not it’s several gun control zealots coming up with an uninformed standard and then pretending that others are unsafe if they don’t follow that silly standard. While at the same time they are ignoring the real world data that proves their claims to be idiotic.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
To be fair this thread is just a bunch of gun nerds being told that they don't know how to do something they hold dearly.
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Nerds meaning people more informed than you?
Scatty Kitty said:
I mean, imagine realizing that you're not responsible with something you were told you were.
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You find out very quickly and typically with a bit of pain if you're lucky or a lot of pain if you're not how responsible you are.
 
braindrain said:
Not it’s several gun control zealots coming up with an uninformed standard and then pretending that others are unsafe if they don’t follow that silly standard. While at the same time they are ignoring the real world data that proves their claims to be idiotic.
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I think there's a bit of narcissism involved here too.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
To be fair this thread is just a bunch of gun nerds being told that they don't know how to do something they hold dearly. I mean, imagine realizing that you're not responsible with something you were told you were.
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Do you store medications in their original container, or do you do the responsible thing and store them by less than lethal dose in separate safes?
 
Scatty Kitty said:
To be fair this thread is just a bunch of gun nerds being told that they don't know how to do something they hold dearly. I mean, imagine realizing that you're not responsible with something you were told you were.
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And this whole gun control section is basically those same nerds being told to find a new hobby.
 
Rich2018 said:
The curb weight of a Ford F-150 typically ranges from 4,021 to 5,540 lbs, depending on the model and configuration.

Are you suggesting that their are no break-ins and thefts from this series of vehicle ?
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I'm saying 99.999% don't get broken into , that's correct. A locked vehicle is a very good means of protecting items

google says 2,328 car break-ins per day
it's estimated that there are 292.3 million vehicles in operation each day

2328 is 0.00079726% of 292 million
 
Scatty Kitty said:
Yup. Now go back to the OP. What does it say about storing firearms and ammunition? Why do you think it says that? Because gun safes aren't the end all be all to safe gun storage, it's just one very specific way we can operationalize gun safety. Do you know what the word operationalize means?
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what's the core problem ? clearly .... its people breaking into people's cars and stealing

agreed ?
 
jaeger19 said:
You didn’t answer my questions yet again.

So again:
Okay. Explain how that works .
The instructor arrives at the gun range for a concealed carry basic safety class .
Thirty students assemble at the outside range and take seats for the beginner safety class.

Now what?
Do you ask for a show of hands:
1.Do you have a suicide plan?
2. Do you have thoughts of hurting yourself or others?
3. Do you have the means to act on these thoughts?

Exactly how is this screening process going to take place?
Why do you think that this will be an effective screening for suicide?
Do you think that people who are contemplating suicide are going to confide in an nra instructor they just met??
What liability does the nra instructor have for doing this screening and essentially obtaining their medical information?
Should nra instructors be required to do such screening and if so what’s the penalty for non compliance.?
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I already answered it. Now either read where I answered your question or stop asking the same questions again, it just looks like you are not reading my posts.
 
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