Here's the fun thing, I already told you this and how there are real world efforts to do what you're asking about.
Suicide Prevention: A Role for Firearm Dealers and Range Owners Means Matter began working in 2009 on a novel project in New Hampshire to reach out to gun shops on the role that they can play in suicide prevention. The work is guided by the NH Firearm…
means-matter.hsph.harvard.edu
Here's another one:
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Results 54 firearm businesses participated (response rate: 28%). Under half reported practices that are Gun Shop Project core aspects (range: 14%–45%). 22% of businesses frequently engaged customers on the importance of safe firearm storage in suicide prevention while 26% had denied a firearm sale and 14% had assisted with temporary secure storage in the past year with customers perceived to be in suicidal crisis. However, high proportions reported willingness to engage in these behaviours if a customer was in crisis: 74% were willing to refuse a sale of a firearm or ammunition, 70% were willing to discuss temporary secure storage options and 70% were willing to direct customers to mental health services."
Now listen if you're telling me you're a medical professional who can't spot someone who has suicidal ideation, and you already dismissed the idea of gun store owners knowing how to stop people from buying firearms if a person wants to hurt themselves, then I'm sorry but you just flat out don't know what you're talking about. Every single time I need proof of how terrible gun owners are in the US, I will be quoting your post. Because it is ridiculous to think that gun store owners are so dumb they can't spot someone who is having a mental health crisis.
Pooh.
First your refusal to answer my questions are noted. It shows that you don’t have a legitimate logical response and must resort to absurd accusations.
Secondly, your citation? HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ABILITY OF GUN SHOP OWNERS TO “SPOT” PEOPLE WITH SUICIDE IDEATION!!!
The study merely identifies that gun shop owners were willing to engage in telling customers about the importance of safe storage .
(which gun safety instructors already do)
And that if the “ knew” a person was in crisis “ they would deny sales etc.
I god dang guarantee you that if a gun safety instructor had a person who admitted having suicidal ideation , or who demonstrated impaired cognition or erratic behavior or any warning sins of any kind that would make an instructor believe a person is not safe, the instructor would not proceed with training and would offer suggestions for help.
The issue I have with your premise is the assumption that gun safety instructors can readily “spot” someone with suicide ideation and that they are in a position that someone with suicide ideation would confide in them.
So I will ask again.
Okay. Explain how that works .
The instructor arrives at the gun range for a concealed carry basic safety class .
Thirty students assemble at the outside range and take seats for the beginner safety class.
Now what?
Do you ask for a show of hands:
1.Do you have a suicide plan?
2. Do you have thoughts of hurting yourself or others?
3. Do you have the means to act on these thoughts?
Exactly how is this screening process going to take place?
Why do you think that this will be an effective screening for suicide?
Do you think that people who are contemplating suicide are going to confide in an nra instructor they just met??
What liability does the nra instructor have for doing this screening and essentially obtaining their medical information?
Should nra instructors be required to do such screening and if so what’s the penalty for non compliance.
