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Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

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I know that for a fact - inasmuch as I've seen both photos and the actual indoor ranges personally here in Denver.
My university - Fordham - had a shooting range in the basement of one of the buildings when I went there in the early 80s. It was run by the on campus ROTC detachment and students were allowed to shoot there under the supervision of the US Army seargent who was rangemaster. I spent more than a few hours practicing there. They even ran shooting competitions.
 
It's not a 'fixable' and therefore popular program.

You can't closely monitor for distracted driving and even if you could it would be a nightmare in the courts.

It is easier to ban shit than change people's habits and laws always take the path of least resistance.

Except cell phone use by drivers has been largely banned.
 
I see the OP as a white suburban liberal. Probably lives in a gated community with a security guard. Shops at Whole Foods. Has never had to worry about crime. Has never had to feed her family by hunting for food. The ultimate Karen.

She accuses me of unsafe gun handling because I keep my home defense guns in a safe. A ready access safe with RFID access. She thinks that is equivalent to a bedside drawer.

She also objects to me keeping my home defense guns in Condition 3 (magazine inserted, chamber empty). A home defense firearm is useless without ammo but she thinks I should keep my ammo in a separate room. All the home defense guns are in a safe.

I will admit to having one gun stored in Condition 1 (magazine inserted, round in the chamber, safety on). It is my carry gun and is stored in my big safe. Why do I keep it in Condition 1? Because, the risk of a negligent discharge is higher if I am loading it every morning and clearing it every evening.

Responsible gun owners make risk based decisions based on their own unique circumstance. For someone who has no idea of our circumstances to lecture us is the height of arrogance and white privilege.

But then, gun control comes from a place of privilege.
When my kids lived at home I kept all mine locked up and unloaded.

Now that it's just my wife and I one (a 1911) stays in a night table drawer in condition 3. Perfectly comfortable and safe with 2 adults only the house. If we have guests it gets locked up with all the rest.
 
It's not a 'fixable' and therefore popular program.

You can't closely monitor for distracted driving and even if you could it would be a nightmare in the courts.

It is easier to ban shit than change people's habits and laws always take the path of least resistance.
It’s easier to decree a ban than to actually ban something people want. Doesn’t really fix anything but at least someone did “something”.
 
Another lie. There were less than 50 mass shootings in the United States in 2023 per the FBI.

A made up definition from a non-governmental website is complete and utter bullshit.

Oh, and the CDC determined that defensive gun uses number between 500,000 and 3 million per a year, far outweighing any use by criminals. That would be a determination by an actual government organization, not some guy running a website out of his basement.

You're in denial

Shooting incidents where 4 or more people were shot, not counting the shooter/shooters, in 2024:
USA = 586, UK = ONE
 
Yes I deny your claims are based in reality. They are your claims. Back them up.
And as I said, all you can do is deny.
Do you deny that among the pro gun crowd they do leave a gun loaded, ready and within easy reach. Despite the fact that they are ignoring the safety rules of storing a gun. Or is your reality such a fantasy that you simply deny that such safety rules exist.
 
Wish I'd spotted how @braindrain "debates" as quickly as you did. I let him run me around before I realised all he was saying was BS and not backing it up in any way. Same approach from @RF667799 - they won't dare touch statistics because that's an automatic lose for them.
Neither of the two are here to debate. There mo is to put up brick walls in any way they can to stop any debate from happening. Simple minded reasoning of if there is no debate on the subject then nothing changes which means they get to keep their guns and the right to be stupid with a gun. At best I will give them a few poststo prove my observation and then ignore their obviousw attempts to obfuscate.
 
And as I said, all you can do is deny.
Do you deny that among the pro gun crowd they do leave a gun loaded, ready and within easy reach. Despite the fact that they are ignoring the safety rules of storing a gun. Or is your reality such a fantasy that you simply deny that such safety rules exist.
Tell me what’s wrong with leaving a firearm loaded and within easy reach .

I’d really like your thoughts on this.
 
It stinks of the ideology of a right to kill.
Please explain.

Are you saying that if men break into my home to try and rape and kill my wife she doesn’t have a right to use deadly force to save her life?

Please explain.

Are you saying that if I hear a commotion in my stock pens and discover a coyote trying to kill my calves , I don’t have a right to kill these coyotes to defend my property?

Please explain.
 
Please explain.

Are you saying that if men break into my home to try and rape and kill my wife she doesn’t have a right to use deadly force to save her life?

Please explain.
No, I am saying that you bought a gun thinking you had a right to kill with it.
 
No, I am saying that you bought a gun thinking you had a right to kill with it.

Is that a projection formed from the reason you bought your gun?
 
You will cherry pick the countries you compare.

I'm comparing all of Europe to America.

But shut up the minute I compare the uk with few guns to Germany with way more guns and yet a lower murder rate.

I'm comparing all of Europe to America. I'm happy to discuss intra-European gun crime separately.

What "statistics"?

OK - let's look at the whole of Europe vs the whole of the USA. Europe as in traditional Europe. Turkey and Russia are basically Asian.

Go ahead and make the comparison. If it suits you - go ahead and count only EU nations - that population is bigger than the US population.

Which state is safer?

Statistically Idaho but what's Idaho's population density? Thn to take your cherry picking accusation further - what is the equivalent European nation to Idaho?

Tell me what’s wrong with leaving a firearm loaded and within easy reach .

When your society is based on the need to have a loaded firearm in your bedroom, there is something seriously wrong. We've neatly come to what I wrote in Post 60
"your horrible gun violence death rates and after some back and forth it will all come down to blaming African Americans and gangs for your high death rates (you guys always conveniently forgetting or ignoring your horrible mass shooter numbers) and it will all leave the impression most of you only keep guns in the hope of shooting some black home invader."

I wish I could predict lottery numbers as successfully as I can predict the American pro-gun argument.
 
OK - let's look at the whole of Europe vs the whole of the USA. Europe as in traditional Europe. Turkey and Russia are basically Asian.

Go ahead and make the comparison. If it suits you - go ahead and count only EU nations - that population is bigger than the US population.

What comparison? You want me to join you in the pointless "Europe has less gun deaths" giggling? Nah. You guys go ahead killing each other en masse every decade or so, and then pretend at some sort of moral superiority on the basis of how peaceful you are.

About 40% of the European continent is Russian territory. Lazy try at No True Scotsman.
 
What comparison? You want me to join you in the pointless "Europe has less gun deaths" giggling? Nah. You guys go ahead killing each other en masse every decade or so, and then pretend at some sort of moral superiority on the basis of how peaceful you are.

About 40% of the European continent is Russian territory. Lazy try at No True Scotsman.

Knew you'd run away. Thanks for the giggles.
 
I'm comparing all of Europe to America.



I'm comparing all of Europe to America. I'm happy to discuss intra-European gun crime separately.



OK - let's look at the whole of Europe vs the whole of the USA. Europe as in traditional Europe. Turkey and Russia are basically Asian.

Go ahead and make the comparison. If it suits you - go ahead and count only EU nations - that population is bigger than the US population.



Statistically Idaho but what's Idaho's population density? Thn to take your cherry picking accusation further - what is the equivalent European nation to Idaho?



When your society is based on the need to have a loaded firearm in your bedroom, there is something seriously wrong. We've neatly come to what I wrote in Post 60
"your horrible gun violence death rates and after some back and forth it will all come down to blaming African Americans and gangs for your high death rates (you guys always conveniently forgetting or ignoring your horrible mass shooter numbers) and it will all leave the impression most of you only keep guns in the hope of shooting some black home invader."

I wish I could predict lottery numbers as successfully as I can predict the American pro-gun argument.
1. And why not compare European countries to each other since they are much more similar to each other than the us.

I notice that you dismiss the comparison of Idaho and New York State because “ but but what’s the population density”

Well, did it occur to you the difference between the us and European countries could be
1. Lack of universal healthcare
2. Difference in social safety nets
3 Access to public education including trade schools and university
4. Americas long history of slavery and segregation and institutional racism?

Nah right? It’s not like you anti gunners can be intellectually honest.

2. Why separately and why just “ gun crime”
Explain why gun crime is significant versus overall say murder?


3. Why should population density matter? Are you saying that population density means MORE than gun ownership . A difference of 60% to 20%.

4, well let’s examine that theory about firearms and black people.
Idaho has 60% gun ownership one of the highest in the nations
African American population is 1.5%

New York State has gun ownership of 20%
African American population of 17.6%.

So based on these statistics explain how they support your theory that American gun owners own guns “ in the hope of shooting a black invader”.

Let’s hear it.

By the way… based on your success predicting the pro gun argument you should perhaps consider saving your money by not gambling.

But let’s hear it.
 
Knew you'd run away. Thanks for the giggles.

I knew you wouldn't articulate a rational point derived from your statistics. I agree with them, and you still have no point.

BTW, 40% of the European continent is Russian territory, but Russia isn't REALLY part of Europe. Talk about a giggle.
 
They do not store their firearms safely. It's estimated more than half of gun owners do not properly store their firearms in a locked safe when not in use.
What good is a firearm locked in a safe when you need to put your hands on it now?
They do not store their ammo separately from their firearms when not in use. Almost half of gun owners do not keep their ammo separate from their firearms when not in use.
That would be a very unsafe idea
. They do not understand the actual risks of owning firearms
Projection
The simple fact of the matter is you're more likely to die if you have a firearm in the household than if you don't.
Acceptable risk
Those who think that guns are used for personal defense against an intruder don't seem to realize they're more likely to die from an intimate partner killing them with a firearm.
Acceptable risk. And I used my firearm against a home invader so its real in my house. Hope it never comes to yours.
While these are simple examples, the thing is that I don't think I've met a single person here on DP that knows and takes into all three of these points.
Simple example consisting of 'simple' comments. ;)
That's the thing, I'm safely using firearms by not having any in my household.
That's weird
That being said I want to know why does the average gun owner think they're safe with firearms, when there's a good chance they are not actually safe with their firearms?
Your comments are pompus and condescending. Don't worry about us, we will be jsut fine

And remember, when seconds count, the police are minutes away
 
What good is a firearm locked in a safe when you need to put your hands on it now?
And just when do you need to put your hands on it now?

When a bad guy has a guy to your head.

Do tell, how will it help then?
 
You're in denial

Shooting incidents where 4 or more people were shot, not counting the shooter/shooters, in 2024:
USA = 586, UK = ONE
A definition made up the Gun Violence Archive, which is a rabid anti-civil rights gun control site that refuses to divulge their data collection methodology. Yeah, **** that. I'll stick with the FBI. Less than 50 per a year.
 
And just when do you need to put your hands on it now?

When a bad guy has a guy to your head.

Do tell, how will it help then?
Or when you hear glass break in your house, your window or door alarms go off or your your dogs starts barking .
 
A "stupid" question is not defined by your ability to answer it.
Its an answer one should be smart enough not to have to ask.
 
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