Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

[RF667799]

Please point out where in the bible it mentions guns?
The right to bear arms is not "God given".

Please point out where the Christian God is the only one that exists.

 

[aociswundumho]

Please point out where in the bible it mentions guns?
The right to bear arms is not "God given".

Fair enough. As it happens, I don't believe our rights are God-given. I was saying that people have the right to be idiots, that's all.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Please point out where in the bible it mentions guns?
The right to bear arms is not "God given".

C'mon.

Jesus just LOVES guns and killin'.

 

[RF667799]

C'mon.

Jesus just LOVES guns and killin'.

Take your religious proselytizing to the proper forums please.

And everybody loves "killin'". Nobody lives without it.

 

[soylentgreen]

More made up bs.

But we all know the control zealots have no issue with lying if they think it will further their agenda.

Another example of someone who has no clue hoe to argue his case and instead resorts to a laughable example of trying pathetically to sound tough.

 

[braindrain]

Another example of someone who has no clue hoe to argue his case and instead resorts to a laughable example of trying pathetically to sound tough.

Sorry but no. You just made up a bunch of bs and then try and peddle it as fact. You are not fooling anyone but your fellow gun control zealots.

There is no need to argue a case against someone who just makes shit up. All that is needed is to call out the lies.

 

[soylentgreen]

Sorry but no. You just made up a bunch of bs and then try and peddle it as fact. You are not fooling anyone but your fellow gun control zealots.

There is no need to argue a case against someone who just makes shit up. All that is needed is to call out the lies.

As I said in that post. All you have is denial.

 

[braindrain]

As I said in that post. All you have is denial.

Yes I deny your claims are based in reality. They are your claims. Back them up.

 

[roberthughey]

Another lie. There were less than 50 mass shootings in the United States in 2023 per the FBI.

A made up definition from a non-governmental website is complete and utter bullshit.

Oh, and the CDC determined that defensive gun uses number between 500,000 and 3 million per a year, far outweighing any use by criminals. That would be a determination by an actual government organization, not some guy running a website out of his basement.

That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses

Why did the CDC fail to publish 1990s research on numbers of defensive gun uses?

www.forbes.com

Mass shooting FBI meaning - 4 or more dead

Mass shooting gun control advocates/media meaning - 4 or more injured

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Made up stories while entertaining are rarely good arguments.

You prefer facts like the number of mass shootings, deaths and suicides your society has compared to nations where training and responsible ownership are compulsory? Have it your way mate - you'll never win that one. All you will have is numbers of offended American gun-rights posters weighing in with hot air.

I can tell you where this will go - you and other posters will crap on about 2nd Amendment rights and I will crap on about your horrible gun violence death rates and after some back and forth it will all come down to blaming African Americans and gangs for your high death rates (you guys always conveniently forgetting or ignoring your horrible mass shooter numbers) and it will all leave the impression most of you only keep guns in the hope of shooting some black home invader.

See? I just saved us from 4-5 pages of back and forth in the old "the US vs anyone else" gun debate.

Goodbye.

 

[RF667799]

You prefer facts like the number of mass shootings, deaths and suicides your society has compared to nations where training and responsible ownership are compulsory? Have it your way mate - you'll never win that one. All you will have is numbers of offended American gun-rights posters weighing in with hot air.

I can tell you where this will go - you and other posters will crap on about 2nd Amendment rights and I will crap on about your horrible gun violence death rates and after some back and forth it will all come down to blaming African Americans and gangs for your high death rates (you guys always conveniently forgetting or ignoring your horrible mass shooter numbers) and it will all leave the impression most of you only keep guns in the hope of shooting some black home invader.

See? I just saved us from 4-5 pages of back and forth in the old "the US vs anyone else" gun debate.

Goodbye.

How do you pile straw that high? Paste it together with bullshit?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

How do you pile straw that high? Paste it together with bullshit?

I refer you to post 60. Last two lines are pertinent.

 

[braindrain]

You prefer facts like the number of mass shootings, deaths and suicides your society has compared to nations where training and responsible ownership are compulsory? Have it your way mate - you'll never win that one. All you will have is numbers of offended American gun-rights posters weighing in with hot air.

I can tell you where this will go - you and other posters will crap on about 2nd Amendment rights and I will crap on about your horrible gun violence death rates and after some back and forth it will all come down to blaming African Americans and gangs for your high death rates (you guys always conveniently forgetting or ignoring your horrible mass shooter numbers) and it will all leave the impression most of you only keep guns in the hope of shooting some black home invader.

See? I just saved us from 4-5 pages of back and forth in the old "the US vs anyone else" gun debate.

Goodbye.

You do realize that no amount of defections is going to make your made up stories any more true right?

And if to prove my point you and some more made up bs. What a convincing argument.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

What a convincing argument.

Erm... you're the one who chose to quote me.
If you're the type of person who thinks "US mass shooting rates are higher than any nation in Europe is BS" then I really can't do anything to convince you.
If you're the type of person who thinks "US gun suicide rates are higher than any nation in Europe is BS" then I really can't do anything to convince you.

I have no further interest in responding to SPAM posts about guns in the US, I shouldn't have responded to your empty post.

 

[braindrain]

Erm... you're the one who chose to quote me.
If you're the type of person who thinks "US mass shooting rates are higher than any nation in Europe is BS" then I really can't do anything to convince you.
If you're the type of person who thinks "US gun suicide rates are higher than any nation in Europe is BS" then I really can't do anything to convince you.

I have no further interest in responding to SPAM posts about guns in the US, I shouldn't have responded to your empty post.

Yes I quoted you because you were passing bs of as fact. If you don’t like that you could always stop peddling your bs.

But I get you are desperately trying to move the goalposts. But unfortunately you bs is blatantly obvious.

Tell my why does gun suicide rate mean more then overall suicide rate. Are you more dead if you kill upsets with a gun then if you kill yourself by hanging.

So far you have basically posted made up bs. Moved the goalposts once your bs was called out and now you are just arguing bs.

 

[jaeger19]

Numbers arent really your THANG eh Edwin? LOL.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Total Gun Deaths: In 2022, there were 48,204 firearm deaths in the U.S., an average of one death every 11 minutes.
  
  
• Firearm Suicide: 27,032 people died by firearm suicide in 2022.
  
  
• Firearm Homicide: 19,651 people died by firearm homicide in 2022, which was the second-highest number of gun homicide deaths ever recorded.
  
  
• Non-fatal firearm injuries: There are approximately 115,000 non-fatal firearm injuries in the U.S. each year.
• 115,000 gun injuries, plus thousands of deaths. Thats a lot of people shot!
• Now: THANK ME.

Meh. Contrast that with the millions of gun owners and millions of guns and no..
That’s really not a lot.
To put it in perspective there are 2.3 MILLION motor vehicle injuries per year.

 

[jaeger19]

It actually wouldn't matter if they're "safe" or not

There were 586 mass shootings in the USA in 2024. That alone justifies gun control.

No it doesn’t.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Another example of someone who has no clue hoe to argue his case and instead resorts to a laughable example of trying pathetically to sound tough.

Wish I'd spotted how @braindrain "debates" as quickly as you did. I let him run me around before I realised all he was saying was BS and not backing it up in any way. Same approach from @RF667799 - they won't dare touch statistics because that's an automatic lose for them.

 

[jaeger19]

You prefer facts like the number of mass shootings, deaths and suicides your society has compared to nations where training and responsible ownership are compulsory? Have it your way mate - you'll never win that one. All you will have is numbers of offended American gun-rights posters weighing in with hot air.

I can tell you where this will go - you and other posters will crap on about 2nd Amendment rights and I will crap on about your horrible gun violence death rates and after some back and forth it will all come down to blaming African Americans and gangs for your high death rates (you guys always conveniently forgetting or ignoring your horrible mass shooter numbers) and it will all leave the impression most of you only keep guns in the hope of shooting some black home invader.

See? I just saved us from 4-5 pages of back and forth in the old "the US vs anyone else" gun debate.

Goodbye.

Yeah .. it’s pretty much right. But you will have lost the argument.
Because you will go on about gun violence which is a meaningless statistic.

Because you will never accept the reality community that has 2 murders per 100000 people but both with a firearm
Is safer than a community that has 100 murders per 100000 but none with a firearm.

You will cherry pick the countries you compare.
You will say” HA look at the us murder rate compared to the uk . See how better you are without firearms”


But shut up the minute I compare the uk with few guns to Germany with way more guns and yet a lower murder rate.


Here is the issue. You will NEVER be honest in this debate.

 

[RF667799]

Wish I'd spotted how @braindrain "debates" as quickly as you did. I let him run me around before I realised all he was saying was BS and not backing it up in any way. Same approach from @RF667799 - they won't dare touch statistics because that's an automatic lose for them.

What "statistics"?

Europe has less "gun deaths". Tee hee hee.

(We won't count the European gun deaths at the hands of state actors, of course.)

You mean like that?

 

[RF667799]

As usual though, I'm wondering how "training" supposedly affects mass shootings.

 

[jaeger19]

Wish I'd spotted how @braindrain "debates" as quickly as you did. I let him run me around before I realised all he was saying was BS and not backing it up in any way. Same approach from @RF667799 - they won't dare touch statistics because that's an automatic lose for them.

I’ll be your huckleberry .

Statistically
Idaho murder rate 2.7
Idaho gun ownership rate 60%

New York State murder rate 4.5
New York State gun ownership rate 20%

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Mapped: U.S. States With the Most Guns

Montana leads with 66% of adults owning firearms.

www.visualcapitalist.com

Which state is safer? The one with more guns and lower gun regulations
Or the one with strict gun regulations and lower gun ownership.

 

[Fearandloathing]

But that’s not a problem. Obviously.

It's not a 'fixable' and therefore popular program.

You can't closely monitor for distracted driving and even if you could it would be a nightmare in the courts.

It is easier to ban shit than change people's habits and laws always take the path of least resistance.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Please point out where in the bible it mentions guns?
The right to bear arms is not "God given".

The book of Smith and Wesson.

God made men equal, Samuel Colt gave Americans an edge.

 

[RF667799]

I’ll be your huckleberry .

Statistically
Idaho murder rate 2.7
Idaho gun ownership rate 60%

New York State murder rate 4.5
New York State gun ownership rate 20%

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Mapped: U.S. States With the Most Guns

Montana leads with 66% of adults owning firearms.

www.visualcapitalist.com

Which state is safer? The one with more guns and lower gun regulations
Or the one with strict gun regulations and lower gun ownership.

There was no relevant point concerning American gun control anyway. There was just the "Ha Ha...Europe has fewer gun deaths" point. Discounting the gun deaths that go on there en masse every so often.