For some reason it keeps popping up that my message is too short so I added this sentence.
"For at least 5 years the illegal immigration debate has been on the forefront of American politics and the narrative presented by popular media is that of a nation divided on the question of border control. Routinely organizations that support border control, like the minutemen, are accused of racism and derided for their focus on the Mexican border instead of other sources of illegal immigration.
Despite the personal attacks and biased media coverage the American people have consistently responded to polls in favor of border control strong enough to “halt the flow of illegal immigrants into the US.” In fact a recent Gallup poll pegged the number of U.S. citizens who think border control is important at 94% with 53% saying it was extremely important! This is the highest number this poll has seen since 2006 when a whopping 96% of Americans said border control is important, 43% of which saying it was extremely important."
So why no real push for immigration reform?
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Partisanship aside... Sorry, but in this subject there is no compromise. We tried amnesty once before. Now we have 4-7 times more illegals in our country than when we gave them amnesty the last time. It obviously didn't help one bit. All that it did was encourage more illeals to come to the US. We gave them a chance...now it is time to bring the belt.
In 2010 the government collected $2,000,000,000,000 (rounded down). That would mean that illegals in California alone only ate 0.5% of all tax income in the United States. Even if that statistic is legitimate (which I doubt it is) it still isn't that impressive considering that would be the largest percentage in the country.
-Obviously, due to the fact that being an illegal immigrant is a crime. Aside from that, how about targeting total crime rates instead of crime rates specifically among illegal immigrants (most of which could be reduced by altering drug policies).
-As already addressed, it doesn't really amount to much. Short of that, the only people competing with illegal immigrants in the job market are people who didn't graduate high school who are also statistically less likely to be completely honest in paying taxes. It's also been publically stated by economists that the things many people hold as facts about illegal immigrants are generally untrue. And the last statement makes no sense. Why would companies hire more people when they're paying higher wages? They wouldn't.
-Really? I'm not even saying anything about this one.
I'm constantly amazed that people still think the gov't is so inept that it constantly gets it wrong... by mistake. Follow the money... there you will find your answer... every single freakin' time!
Part of it is ineptitude. The other part is greed.
So... you're saying that without greed they'd still get it wrong just because they are inept?
Do you think for a second that the outcome of the amnesty decision (increased illegals) wasn't known ahead of time? The question isn't why aren't they doing more to keep them out as they profess to want to do on behalf of the American People.. in pure political theater... but becomes WHY do they want to keep the flow of illegals coming. Trust me, if it didn't benefit them or their supporters, it wouldn't be happening.
First of all, the phrase "immigration reform" is more often associated with the left-wing amnesty movement. That's what "immigration reform" means to them and as the term is most frequently used.So why no real push for immigration reform?
If that's true, then it's only because of the policies (and results) he inherited from Bush.Nothing done? More people are being deported per year under Obama than have ever been deported per year in US history. By a significant margin. We have constructed a fence pretty much everywhere the border patrol says it would be of use to them. We have increased spending on border patrol something like 350% in the last 10 years. The number of undocumented immigrants in the US has been dropping for 3 years in a row. Obama has pushed through all kinds of innovative approaches to ferretting out employers of undocumented immigrants.
It isn't like there will ever be zero undocumented immigration. Obviously. It's like the drug war. We can dump as much money on it as we want and some folks will still be complaining that the government ought to do something about it like nothing happened.
Like the drug war, what we really need to be doing is coming up with smarter solutions, not just continuing to dump money on the problem. A guest worker program is painfully obviously the best next step in the campaign against illegal immigration, but many on the right, although they claim they oppose illegal immigration, prevent the only realistic solution to illegal immigration from moving forward.
Too many people on both sides of isle in DC tossing the salad of illegals and the traitors who hire illegals.
The cause of why there are so many scumbags in office tossing the salad of illegals is because a lot of dumb asses vote for people based on party regardless of how politically opposite the candidate is from them and put their party above their own political views and interests. They will even ignore a candidate who shares most of the views they have because they think that candidate will not stand a chance at winning. This is how a RINO like John McCain can keep getting elected. Even though his tongue in deep in the asses of illegals tossing their salad.
They only way you are going to get politicians who oppose illegal immigration and will actually do something about it is to vote for politicians who oppose illegal immigration and will do something to curb or stop it. You don't do this by voting for scum who toss the salad of illegals just because they are in your party or claim to be a liberal, conservative or what ever. Now this may mean you will have to risk the other guy from the other party winning in order to get someone in the next election who will actually do something about illegal immigration.[/QUOTE]
I agree, do you know of any potential future president that will do this? It's not Newt, Mitch, Rick, or Barak.
Ok, why is illegal immigration such a problem? It's an issue of nativism and keeping the U.S. "white." QUOTE]
You lost all credibility with that one.
The issue is very simple. Illegal aliens are in the US illegally. No one that I have seen opposes legal immigration.
You seem to state that illegal aliens are cheap labor. So guess you think that people making very low wages are going to have extra money to spend on items like tv, cars, houses, etc. and that is good for our economy. Have you checked how much US dollars our sent out of the US back to the illegal aliens home country. Search Mexico for start. How are those dollars going to Mexico good for our economy?
So are you of the opinion Nations should not manage immigration or have no right to borders?
Ok, why is illegal immigration such a problem? It's an issue of nativism and keeping the U.S. "white." It actually would make alot more sense to allow illegal immigrants to come here for a few reasons. Well number one, they are a net positive to the economy. They DO also pay taxes, especially sales taxes whenever they buy something. They circulate money throughout the economy. Also, aren't corporations all about exploiting people for the cheapest labor possible? Because they can pay illegals very low wages since these people are illegal. It gives the immigrants jobs, and gives the corporations cheap labor. So I don't see the point in wasting money to stop them from coming here when they will come here anyway, and it benefits our economy.
Ok, why is illegal immigration such a problem? It's an issue of nativism and keeping the U.S. "white." It actually would make alot more sense to allow illegal immigrants to come here for a few reasons. Well number one, they are a net positive to the economy. They DO also pay taxes, especially sales taxes whenever they buy something. They circulate money throughout the economy. Also, aren't corporations all about exploiting people for the cheapest labor possible? Because they can pay illegals very low wages since these people are illegal. It gives the immigrants jobs, and gives the corporations cheap labor. So I don't see the point in wasting money to stop them from coming here when they will come here anyway, and it benefits our economy.
The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants.
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State and local governments incure costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs.
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Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover costs incurred by those governments.
You lost all credit with the "keeping the US white" remark.
I have not seen any posts from people who oppose illegal immigration also oppose legal immigration.
It is interesting you think illegal aliens cheap labor is good for our economy? Do you have any proof that illegal aliens have a major impact on stimulating the US economy?
Have you checked to see many US dollars get shipped to their country of origin. Try search on how many US dollars are sent to Mexico every year. Those dollars do nothing for our economy.
Are you of the opinion Nations have no right to borders or manage immigration?
IMO, America is in deep trouble if the majority of people shared your view.
Really? Is that the route that you really want to go? The simple way to disabuse yourself of this notion is to look at legal immigration. 99.9% of people that are against illegal aliens have no problem with legal immigration.
As for the rest of your post. Do some actual research on it. Here's a good place to start...
The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments
Yes, I'm of the opinion that nations have no right to keep people out. So are you so greedy and conceited as to just not even care about these people? Hell, if I lived in a ****hole like Mexico, I'd hop the border in a second. It is way too complicated of a process to become a citizen here, and these people don't have time for that.
Also, yes cheap labor is quite obviously good for the economy, it's simple economics. There is a demand for such day laborers, and don't try to tell me that they're "taking American jobs." Oh yeah, so i'm so sorry that Pancho took that day laborer position you wanted so badly. Like seriously? They take filler jobs that are necessary to keep businesses running. Illegal immigrants are definitely a good thing for the economy. Why even keep them out? Makes zero sense to me.
Excuse me, what services are being provided to illegals via our tax money? None. Because they're illegal and aren't subject to federal entitlements. Also, just actually read my post for a second. So, when they are paying taxes, getting jobs, and circulating money through the economy while providing cheap labor for businesses, how is this a bad thing at all?!
Yes, I'm of the opinion that nations have no right to keep people out. So are you so greedy and conceited as to just not even care about these people? Hell, if I lived in a ****hole like Mexico, I'd hop the border in a second. It is way too complicated of a process to become a citizen here, and these people don't have time for that.
Also, yes cheap labor is quite obviously good for the economy, it's simple economics. There is a demand for such day laborers, and don't try to tell me that they're "taking American jobs." Oh yeah, so i'm so sorry that Pancho took that day laborer position you wanted so badly. Like seriously? They take filler jobs that are necessary to keep businesses running. Illegal immigrants are definitely a good thing for the economy. Why even keep them out? Makes zero sense to me.
Ok, why is illegal immigration such a problem? It's an issue of nativism and keeping the U.S. "white." It actually would make alot more sense to allow illegal immigrants to come here for a few reasons. Well number one, they are a net positive to the economy. They DO also pay taxes, especially sales taxes whenever they buy something. They circulate money throughout the economy. Also, aren't corporations all about exploiting people for the cheapest labor possible? Because they can pay illegals very low wages since these people are illegal. It gives the immigrants illegal aliens jobs, and gives the corporations cheap labor. So I don't see the point in wasting money to stop them from coming here when they will come here anyway, and it benefits our economy.
Care to prove that?
Prove this, as well.
We have over 20 millions illegals in our country, and they take jobs that Americans would have worked.
bull****. they take jobs that Americans often don't want & refuse to do.
just look at what's happening in Alabama. illegal aliens have vanished, and the citizens refuse to fill in the gaps where the jobs have opened up. why? cause the work is too physically demanding and monotonous for lazy Americans who think they're too good for menial labor that's boring.
if I was unemployed, I'd just hang out with the illegals by Home Depot, and do low-level construction. those jobs exist all over, but they are hard work and many Americans are too ****ing lazy & engrained with a false sense of entitlement, to do them.
I've done multiple types of farmwork and I've worked in construction. Sorry, but this doesn't fly.
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