Why is CRT a hot button issue and how did it become one?

[vegas giants]

Which cities?

I have to look up the black belt for you?

 

[GhostlyJoe]

I have to look up the black belt for you?

Which cities in the Black Belt are GOP-strongholds? Once again, it Democrats that implement the systems that you decry as racist. It's no surprise you're struggling to support your position.

 

[vegas giants]

Which cities in the Black Belt are GOP-strongholds? Once again, it Democrats that implement the systems that you decry as racist. It's no surprise you're struggling to support your position.

You have to be kidding

Black Belt in the American South - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GhostlyJoe]

You have to be kidding

Black Belt in the American South - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You're killing your own case here. Again, where are the Republican votes?

As biology professor Allen Gathman shows by overlapping Alabama’s cotton production by county in 1860 (when the production was heaviest in Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana) with the 2016 presidential election results, the areas with historically strong cotton cultivation, and therefore a historically large population of black laborers in the second half of 1800s correspond to Democratic votes today.

 

[vegas giants]

You're killing your own case here. Again, where are the Republican votes?

The black people vote Democrat but they are a minority so the Republicans win in the black belt. You do know blacks are a minority....right?

 

[GhostlyJoe]

The black people vote Democrat but they are a minority so the Republicans win in the black belt. You do know blacks are a minority....right?

Not in the local municipalities where they live. The same places where they face systemic hurdles implemented and overseen by Democratic regimes. There was maybe a very brief period in the late 20th century where these areas voted GOP.

 

[vegas giants]

Not in the local municipalities where they live. The same places where they face systemic hurdles implemented and overseen by Democratic regimes. There was maybe a very brief period in the late 20th century where these areas voted GOP.

The state of Alabama makes laws for all of Alabama over ruling all local municipalities. This is true throughout the black belt

 

[Rogue Valley]

FOX News says jump and the GOP asks "how high?"

 

[Visbek]

Not in the local municipalities where they live. The same places where they face systemic hurdles implemented and overseen by Democratic regimes. There was maybe a very brief period in the late 20th century where these areas voted GOP.

Actually, lots of blacks voted for Republicans until the 50s and 60s. Eisenhower got 40% of the black vote; Nixon got 30%. The selection of Goldwater, along with the gradual shift of southern whites away from the Democratic party because of the Civil Rights Acts in the 1960s, sealed the deal.

When African-American Voters Shifted Away From The GOP

NPR's Robert Siegel talks with historian Leah Wright Rigueur, whose book, The Loneliness of the Black Republican: Pragmatic Politics and the Pursuit of Power, explores the history of the relationship between African-Americans and the Republican Party.

www.npr.org

Of course, we also have to keep in mind that southern blacks were largely prevented from voting until the mid-60s and early 70s, so we don't have an official record of their preferences.

Oh, we also have to remember that the political parties were radically different than they are today. E.g Dixiecrats bear no resemblance to today's Democrats; Teddy Roosevelt wouldn't last 5 minutes at CPAC today.

 

[Olddemocrat]

There are three reasons right wingers object to critical race theory. First, it is critical, and we know they cannot stand criticism. Second, it is about race, a topic that motivates them always, but not in a good way. CRT posits that "race" is a social construct, which sounds an awful lot like socialism, so they have to be agin' it. Third, it's a theory, which smacks of science, which is far too intellectual to be countenanced.

I think that there is only one reason. I believe that right wingers have a deep seated, irrational fear of all people of color, else why all of the sturm und drang every time race or inclusion is taught, discussed, written about, or broadcast.

 

[Olddemocrat]

Many on the left stopped debating years ago. It's just jeering now, with at best a tangential relationship to real-world beliefs and events. There is no attempt to address the subject directly, and any one who does attempt to do so is met with the intellectual equivalent of honking noises.

We stopped debating because the right moved to a place which has alt facts to the point where common ground for a debate was no longer an achievable reality. To us, an octagon shaped red sign has always meant stop. To often I see those on the right doing the equivalent of arguing with a stop sign!

 

[GhostlyJoe]

We stopped debating because the right moved to a place which has alt facts to the point where common ground for a debate was no longer an achievable reality. To us, an octagon shaped red sign has always meant stop. To often I see those on the right doing the equivalent of arguing with a stop sign!

Do you think Russia-gate was real?

 

[GhostlyJoe]

Actually, lots of blacks voted for Republicans until the 50s and 60s. Eisenhower got 40% of the black vote; Nixon got 30%. The selection of Goldwater, along with the gradual shift of southern whites away from the Democratic party because of the Civil Rights Acts in the 1960s, sealed the deal.

When African-American Voters Shifted Away From The GOP

NPR's Robert Siegel talks with historian Leah Wright Rigueur, whose book, The Loneliness of the Black Republican: Pragmatic Politics and the Pursuit of Power, explores the history of the relationship between African-Americans and the Republican Party.

www.npr.org

Of course, we also have to keep in mind that southern blacks were largely prevented from voting until the mid-60s and early 70s, so we don't have an official record of their preferences.

Oh, we also have to remember that the political parties were radically different than they are today. E.g Dixiecrats bear no resemblance to today's Democrats; Teddy Roosevelt wouldn't last 5 minutes at CPAC today.

I said the areas voted Democrat -- which it did. Black Americans voted Republican for many, many years, because, if you remember, Republicans freed the slaves and fought against Jim Crow and the Solid South.

Dixiecrats actually bear a remarkable resemblance to today's Democrats. Cynically using racial animus to gain power has been the party's playbook for most of its history.

 

[GhostlyJoe]

The state of Alabama makes laws for all of Alabama over ruling all local municipalities. This is true throughout the black belt

Sort of. I can't vouch for Alabama, because I don't live there. But in all the state's I've lived, cities have quite a bit of autonomy. Especially when it comes to how and when to invest in infrastructure and in on-the-ground policing.

It's generally not the state police who shoot suspects or institute stop-and-frisk policies or "broken windows" enforcement areas or speed cameras or exorbitant fine structures.

Of course, the Black Belt is largely agricultural land, so it's pretty much moot. Focusing on it is an intentional diversion from my initial point.

 

[NatMorton]

You obviously didn't even read my post if you think I was calling anyone a bigot. I explained what CRT teaches. If you need it to be something that it isn't in order to justify your irrational fear of a social theory and justify your big government belief that the feds should take control of the US education system in order to force educators to censor politically inconvenient history, then go ahead.

You're talking past the point. Your words, emphasis added "The whole point of CRT is to teach that systemic racism CAN be amended." I just provided you with two authoritative references which say you are wrong. CRT does not assert the system can be amended. It says exactly the opposite. Failing to understand that, you're in no credible position to tell others they do not understand CRT.

 

[NatMorton]

It is not taught as though it is a fact. It is taught as though it is a theory. Like the theory of evolution.

So all theories are equal?

 

[Slartibartfast]

CRT seems to be all the rage among the right and the far right. When and how did this become a thing? Who made it a thing? What, specifically is CRT, how old is it, what does it do, is it even an "it"?

To scare the white supremacists into continuing to vote GOP.

 

[NatMorton]

Many on the left stopped debating years ago. It's just jeering now, with at best a tangential relationship to real-world beliefs and events. There is no attempt to address the subject directly, and any one who does attempt to do so is met with the intellectual equivalent of honking noises.

People who argue from emotion are like that.

 

[NatMorton]

You don't think children should be taught about systemic racism?

Do you think CRT is only about system racism?

 

[NatMorton]

The yolk of group identity should be removed going forward. But you can't pretend that it didn't exist for hundreds of years, and you shouldn't assume that this group identity didn't play an enormous part in shaping modern day society. Pretending that everyone is born into a roughly comparable average situation denies reality. White people on average are born into a better situation than black people on average in the United States. This is due to the impact of our comparative historical group identities. This fact should be taught in schools so that people don't grow up simply assuming that the reason black culture struggles more than white culture in the United States is due to some intrinsic inferiority in their culture.

How do you explain that today Asian people, on average, are born into a better situation that white people, on average, in the United States?

 

[NatMorton]

To scare the white supremacists into continuing to vote GOP.

At what point do you realize the constant harping about "white supremacists" is itself a scare tactic?

 

[Slartibartfast]

At what point do you realize the constant harping about "white supremacists" is itself a scare tactic?

When it becomes one. That will require, at minimum, the FBI to not have the same view in that white supremacy is a problem.

 

[lwf]

You're talking past the point. Your words, emphasis added "The whole point of CRT is to teach that systemic racism CAN be amended." I just provided you with two authoritative references which say you are wrong. CRT does not assert the system can be amended. It says exactly the opposite. Failing to understand that, you're in no credible position to tell others they do not understand CRT.

No you didn't. You provided a dictionary definition of "CRT" and a dictionary definition of the word "inherent." You don't bother getting more information about what it teaches from people who actually teach it because someone else that you agree with already confirmed your bias about what it teaches.

Critical Race Theory does not teach that systemic racism is permanent and could never be amended. You can argue that the dictionary definition of CRT shouldn't be using the word "inherent," but you cannot argue that CRT teaches that systemic racism is a permanent state that can never change, because it doesn't. It argues that current equal rights laws haven't done away with systemic racism, nor will they without further action, but not that it can never be changed.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/w...ED2PMyh32J4deCqDXra8JlRiHWXNbvXsaAvLqEALw_wcB

 

[lwf]

How do you explain that today Asian people, on average, are born into a better situation that white people, on average, in the United States?

Because the VAST majority of Asians in the United States arrived within the past 20 to 30 years, and are overrepresented by well-educated people from wealthy families who can afford the thousands of dollars it takes to travel to the United States and who tend to come here to work in skilled positions.

Allow me to disabuse you of a common racist trope: Asians are not smarter than other races. The comparatively few Asians that manage to make the trip to the US for high level skilled work have a tendency to be smarter than the average American. They do not represent average Asians. They represent wealthy, educated, white collar Asians. You can't take a comparatively small cross section of very specific kinds of people and then apply the traits of those people to their entire race. That is called a hasty generalization.

 

[NatMorton]

No you didn't. You provided a dictionary definition of "CRT" and a dictionary definition of the word "inherent." You don't bother getting more information about what it teaches from people who actually teach it because someone else that you agree with already confirmed your bias about what it teaches.

Critical Race Theory does not teach that systemic racism is permanent and could never be amended. You can argue that the dictionary definition of CRT shouldn't be using the word "inherent," but you cannot argue that CRT teaches that systemic racism is a permanent state that can never change, because it doesn't. It argues that current equal rights laws haven't done away with systemic racism, nor will they without further action, but not that it can never be changed.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/what-is-critical-race-theory-and-why-is-it-under-attack/2021/05?s_kwcid=AL!6416!3!486544088589!b!!g!!&utm_source=goog&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ew+dynamic+recent &ccid=dynamic+ads+recent+articles&ccag=recent+articles+dynamic&cckw=&cccv=dynamic+ad&gclid=Cj0KCQjw6NmHBhD2ARIsAI3hrM0XhdQWLEH3Tp-iHZ2yTJxED2PMyh32J4deCqDXra8JlRiHWXNbvXsaAvLqEALw_wcB

Please cite the passage in that article that you think refutes my point.