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Why I'm not on board with trans

Simpletruther said:
Yep. Of coucrse there are real trans people, but this lifting them up as heros and portraying this as some noble crusade only invites countless bandwagon joiners. And many of these kids will be permanently damaged by the crazy mass hysteria over lifting g up and protection and encouraging "trans".

There are going to be a lot of confused kids living the rest of their lies with body damage due to this craze even though it was just them seeking gratification.
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Your words are true.

The folks who are in denial are making it worse.

You’re 100% spot on.

Propaganda, brainwashing, mutilation and mental disorders.
 
roguenuke said:
Like what actions? I see none described here that have anything to do with actions besides coming out and basically asking others to use different pronouns.
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Well child trans care requires action
 
vegas giants said:
My position is no surgery or gender care drugs until 18

I'm all for psychiatric care


You lied
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If she was starting college within the timeframe of coming out wanting to use they/them pronouns and then switching back to she/her pronouns, she was likely very close to adulthood to begin with, as in very likely 18. And since it sounds like she was nonbinary (may still be), then counseling/therapy would be the first step. It would likely take several visits to determine what care she needed, if any. It could be that simply using different pronouns was enough for her, and even going back to using her original pronouns could now be more comfortable for her. We don't know.
 
Rickeroo said:
So my daughter's friend is troubled - a couple of hospitalizations for self-harm and mental health. A couple of years ago in high school, she became a "they". I knew then that she was reaching for an identity due to low self esteem. Becoming something she wasn't, and even worse, hating her own womanhood, was a manifestation of her low sense of self.

Here's the tough part. I didn't dare suggest to my daughter that maybe her friend wasn't a "they". To suggest such a thing meant I hated her friend, so I kept silent about it. I saw they few and far between, then earlier this year my daughter reported that she no longer goes by "they". This is what the left would call a detransition.

The they state allowed her another way to feel bad about her own identity - being a they didn't cause her low-self esteem, and becoming a she again didn't raise her self-esteem. Because trans is everywhere, the natural ebb and flow of her teenage doubts looked to trans as an outlet. Back in the late 80's, those of us looking for indentity expression would have long hair and wear rock band patches on jean jackets. Others would dress in black and wear Doc Martens.

Then we grew up.
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samiam5211 said:
Anything is possible.

It's possible the little story in the OP was entirely made up.
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Fo Sho
 
vegas giants said:
Well child trans care requires action
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We're not even talking about a child in the OP. If she's going to college, that indicates at the very least teen years. Her actions to begin with if she wanted anything more than simply being referred to as "they/them", possibly another name (didn't seem that way though) would be to talk to a counselor/therapist, for multiple reasons, from the story we were given.
 
roguenuke said:
We're not even talking about a child in the OP. If she's going to college, that indicates at the very least teen years. Her actions to begin with if she wanted anything more than simply being referred to as "they/them", possibly another name (didn't seem that way though) would be to talk to a counselor/therapist, for multiple reasons, from the story we were given.
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If she's 18 she can do as she pleases
 
Irredentist said:
I know, my teenage cousin is going through the exact same thing, questioning their identity, using they/them pronouns, etc. That's all completely normal. People want to treat it like a big deal, but it's really not.
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I'd be cautious classifying your cousins pronoun experiment as normal. It's only normal in a post-2015 context due to artificial (and extreme) transgender marketing exposure since then - if this was 1989, they/them would not be a part of a teen identity search. If you feel the pronoun change is innocuous and there isn't an accompanying esteem issue, then you're likely safe in assuming things will turn out ok.
 
Hypothetical said:
a person can have an opinion as to what level of care is appropriate. that is part of the discussion. I agree with him.
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Except vegas didn't even know what's involved in gender-affirming care, so he wanted to ban the entire thing. It was only AFTER he got schooled that he changed his tune. Talking out your ass about stuff you don't understand, because you have a gut reaction, is not wise political discourse or a good foundation for policy.

And why should anyone besides parents and professionals even have a say, when anti-trans clowns don't know what they're talking about on a foundational level?
 
Dans La Lune said:
Except vegas didn't even know what's involved in gender-affirming care, so he wanted to ban the entire thing. It was only AFTER he got schooled that he changed his tune. Talking out your ass about stuff you don't understand, because you have a gut reaction, is not wise political discourse or a good foundation for policy.

And why should anyone besides parents and professionals even have a say, when anti-trans clowns don't know what they're talking about on a foundational level?
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Well you are just lying. And you got busted and are embarrassed now
 
Rickeroo said:
So my daughter's friend is troubled - a couple of hospitalizations for self-harm and mental health. A couple of years ago in high school, she became a "they". I knew then that she was reaching for an identity due to low self esteem. Becoming something she wasn't, and even worse, hating her own womanhood, was a manifestation of her low sense of self.

Here's the tough part. I didn't dare suggest to my daughter that maybe her friend wasn't a "they". To suggest such a thing meant I hated her friend, so I kept silent about it. I saw they few and far between, then earlier this year my daughter reported that she no longer goes by "they". This is what the left would call a detransition.

The they state allowed her another way to feel bad about her own identity - being a they didn't cause her low-self esteem, and becoming a she again didn't raise her self-esteem. Because trans is everywhere, the natural ebb and flow of her teenage doubts looked to trans as an outlet. Back in the late 80's, those of us looking for indentity expression would have long hair and wear rock band patches on jean jackets. Others would dress in black and wear Doc Martens.

Then we grew up.
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This personal anecdote is chock full of prejudice. Whatever one person experiences in their own personal life has little bearing on national issues. There is such a thing as MYOB. And not pretending to be a professional psycho-analyst.

Gender dysphoria is real.

From the Mayo Clinic:

"Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics.

Transgender and gender-diverse people might experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives. However, some transgender and gender-diverse people feel at ease with their bodies, with or without medical intervention.

A diagnosis for gender dysphoria is included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association. The diagnosis was created to help people with gender dysphoria get access to necessary health care and effective treatment. The term focuses on discomfort as the problem, rather than identity."
 
roguenuke said:
So if she's 17 she can't even look into things that her own parents would allow? Doctors are saying are safe? Because you think its wrong?
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She can look into anything.


No meds or surgery until 18
 
Rickeroo said:
I'd be cautious classifying your cousins pronoun experiment as normal. It's only normal in a post-2015 context due to artificial (and extreme) transgender marketing exposure since then - if this was 1989, they/them would not be a part of a teen identity search. If you feel the pronoun change is innocuous and there isn't an accompanying esteem issue, then you're likely safe in assuming things will turn out ok.
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But this isn't 1989, is it? Cultural attitudes towards gender have changed significantly in the last thirty years. Of course the questions teens ask themselves today are going to be different than the ones they asked thirty years ago. The cultural context is completely different. But you know what? That's ok.
 
roguenuke said:
You're not a doctor. That shouldn't be okay.
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But I listen to doctors who in other countries and some states here that say this is not appropriate for children
 
Rickeroo said:
I'd be cautious classifying your cousins pronoun experiment as normal. It's only normal in a post-2015 context due to artificial (and extreme) transgender marketing exposure since then - if this was 1989, they/them would not be a part of a teen identity search. If you feel the pronoun change is innocuous and there isn't an accompanying esteem issue, then you're likely safe in assuming things will turn out ok.
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Oh no, showing kids they don't have to be binary in their thinking? The horror.

You know what else was pretty common but going out of style, practice quickly in this time compared to 1989, not doing sex normalizing surgery on intersexed infants, but rather letting them decide. Now, how would you describe those kids growing up with both?
 
vegas giants said:
A study published in LGBT Health found that 13.1% of currently identified transgender people have detransitioned at some point in their lives


It says it right there in black and white
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0.4% of 13% because they had a regret about the procedure / treatment.
 
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