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Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

The Work Outing said:
You are the one who is insulting people by calling them 'idiots' and that they are 'not normal'...just because they don't do what they are told.
You started it.

Now...I will ask you again:

If you are SUCH a caring person?
Then why are you not screaming that flu shots should be mandatory every year?
Up to 640,000 people each and every year die from the flu?
Why are you not screaming about that?

And why are you not freaking out about the 4.8 million people who have died of TB from 2018-2020?
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Not idiots- COVIDIOTS. Get the terminology right.
Selfish jerks-all of them.
 
The Work Outing said:
Baloney.
It's because no one gave a thought about it until Covid-19 came along.

And what risk or cost?

How much could people getting a simple flu shot cost?
A lot less than a DNA-based vaccine like Covid's.

And I thought people were saying that 'no cost was too great to save the elderly'?
So...it's not worth saving up to 60,000 American seniors a year?
For all of us to get a simple, flu shot?
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No.. not baloney.
There were flu vaccine mandates for many hospital systems for example. but no mandates for the general public.

The of a flu vaccine mandate is the cost of taking production away from other medications and vaccines, and pushing them to the flu. Then there is the monetary cost.. then the cost of enforcing the mandate and making sure people are compliant... etc.
And its not necessary.
The risk and cost vs benefit doesn;t support a national mandate.

Who were these people saying that "no cost was too great to save the elderly?"

Yes.. the costs are not worth saving 60,000 seniors a year.
To mandate a simple flu shot.

Are you vaccinated for Covid? I hope so.. if you are willing to get vaccinated to help save 60,000 a year.. you should be equally willing to save 600,000 a year.
 
Ethel2 said:
Maybe because flus 1/15th as deadly?
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I see.

So you don't care if 52,000 Americans die every year?

But you do care if a LOT more do.


For the record?

How many Americans have to die of something before you officially decide that everyone else should start getting vaccines to try and save them?
Even if they do not want to?

50,000?
100,000?
500,000?

Please, give us a number so we know when we should start running to our doctors to get vaccines to please you 'normal' people?
 
jaeger19 said:
No.. not baloney.
There were flu vaccine mandates for many hospital systems for example. but no mandates for the general public.

The of a flu vaccine mandate is the cost of taking production away from other medications and vaccines, and pushing them to the flu. Then there is the monetary cost.. then the cost of enforcing the mandate and making sure people are compliant... etc.
And its not necessary.
The risk and cost vs benefit doesn;t support a national mandate.

Who were these people saying that "no cost was too great to save the elderly?"

Yes.. the costs are not worth saving 60,000 seniors a year.
To mandate a simple flu shot.

Are you vaccinated for Covid? I hope so.. if you are willing to get vaccinated to help save 60,000 a year.. you should be equally willing to save 600,000 a year.
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Fine...where is your link that shows that to produce another 160,000,000 flu shots a year will take away the industries ability to make enough of other vaccines?

And whether I am vaccinated or not is NONE of your business.
 
The Work Outing said:
I see.

So you don't care if 52,000 Americans die every year?

But you do care if a LOT more do.


For the record?

How many Americans have to die of something before you officially decide that everyone else should start getting vaccines to try and save them?
Even if they do not want to?

50,000?
100,000?
500,000?

Please, give us a number so we know when we should start running to our doctors to get vaccines to please you 'normal' people?
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We already passed that number in a year. So please go get vaccinated so that our hospitals don;t have to continuously go to crisis levels of care because they are overrun with unvaccinated covid patients.
 
The Work Outing said:
I see.

So you don't care if 52,000 Americans die every year?

But you do care if a LOT more do.


For the record?

How many Americans have to die of something before you officially decide that everyone else should start getting vaccines to try and save them?
Even if they do not want to?

50,000?
100,000?
500,000?

Please, give us a number so we know when we should start running to our doctors to get vaccines to please you 'normal' people?
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Sure
500,000

Happy?
 
The Work Outing said:
Fine...where is your link that shows that to produce another 160,000,000 flu shots a year will take away the industries ability to make enough of other vaccines?

And whether I am vaccinated or not is NONE of your business.
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Yes
You getting vaccinated IS my business-if I am unable to get vaccinated or immune compromised.
The rights of your fist end at my nose.
 
I think the only condition of which the fed gov can make it illegal not to be vaccinated is if it threatens Natl Security. Now, the response to the pandemic has dramatically affected the economy, businesses, supply chain, hospital care, etc but hasn't quite reached the level of isolating and punishing the unvaccinated or those without natural antibodies.
 
The Work Outing said:
So...you did not care about Covid-19 deaths until they passed 500,000 in AMerica?
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Once it became clear that we would easily hit hundreds of thousands of deaths then vaccination should have become mandatory.
And yes-ALL covidiots are selfish jerks by definition.
 
Ethel2 said:
Once it became clear that we would easily hit hundreds of thousands of deaths then vaccination should have become mandatory.
And yes-ALL covidiots are selfish jerks by definition.
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Yup. This whole thing with COVID has shown how many stupid, selfish people we have in this country.
 
Ethel2 said:
Once it became clear that we would easily hit hundreds of thousands of deaths then vaccination should have become mandatory.
And yes-ALL covidiots are selfish jerks by definition.
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1) But you said 500,000.
Now you say something else.
Which is it?

2) And where is a link that proves that covidiots are selfish jerks by definition?
 
Ethel2 said:
Not idiots- COVIDIOTS. Get the terminology right.
Selfish jerks-all of them.
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And you still did not answer my question.
For the third time now?

Sweden did not lock down.
Is their death rate from Covid lower than America's, the UK's, France's and Belgium's (all of whom DID lockdown)?
Yes or no, please?
 
The Work Outing said:
I am not sure of your point here.

Are you saying 'natural immunity' as in 'once they got Covid. They are protected and do not need the vaccine'.?
That I agree with.
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Generally better to assume I do not post dumb ideas. We generally rely of the "woke folks" here to supply the dubious ideas.
The Work Outing said:
Or are you saying that someone 75 years old has some 'natural immunity' to Covid-19. Even if they never had the disease?
Because that I disagree with as how can you have a 'natural defense' against a disease that you have never had?
Sure, you have an immune system.
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No I am not saying that someone 75y has some naturally acquired immunity against COVID-19 - Well unless they were infected with the Wuhan virus and recovered. People who are vaccinated have vaccine induced immunity. The woke folks here are pretty good at arguing semantics and pretending you claimed things you did not as you have probably already noticed. Many also excel at hypocrisy and see a big authoritarian government as a good idea. Many are pretty good at make lame ad hominem insults although this can lead to them getting a little "vacation" from posting. Their goal in doing so appears to get you to respond in kind and then "report" you for violating DB rules.

Nice to see another voice of reason here.
 
The Work Outing said:
You are the one who is insulting people by calling them 'idiots' and that they are 'not normal'...just because they don't do what they are told.
You started it.

Now...I will ask you again:

If you are SUCH a caring person?
Then why are you not screaming that flu shots should be mandatory every year?
Up to 640,000 people each and every year die from the flu?
Why are you not screaming about that?

And why are you not freaking out about the 4.8 million people who have died of TB from 2018-2020?
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Record numbers of people got the flu vaccine this last year...

Because smart.

We are lagging in COVID vaccination.

Because stupid.
 
The Work Outing said:
And you still did not answer my question.
For the third time now?

Sweden did not lock down.
Is their death rate from Covid lower than America's, the UK's, France's and Belgium's (all of whom DID lockdown)?
Yes or no, please?
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SWEDEN failed miserably to protect their people.

A fact you continue to ignore.
 
The Work Outing said:
Fine...where is your link that shows that to produce another 160,000,000 flu shots a year will take away the industries ability to make enough of other vaccines?

And whether I am vaccinated or not is NONE of your business.
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Well think about it? Don;t you think it takes resources to make a vaccine? Supplies etc. not to mention to administer it? The syringes.. the bottles. staff to get it..
come now. It all has a cost. Stop being silly.

And given your refusal to tell us whether your vaccinated.. lets assume you are not. So.. if you claim saving 60,000 people a year would cause you to get a vaccine...
Why not 600K plus a year?
 
RealityChecker said:
Generally better to assume I do not post dumb ideas. We generally rely of the "woke folks" here to supply the dubious ideas.

No I am not saying that someone 75y has some naturally acquired immunity against COVID-19 - Well unless they were infected with the Wuhan virus and recovered. People who are vaccinated have vaccine induced immunity. The woke folks here are pretty good at arguing semantics and pretending you claimed things you did not as you have probably already noticed. Many also excel at hypocrisy and see a big authoritarian government as a good idea. Many are pretty good at make lame ad hominem insults although this can lead to them getting a little "vacation" from posting. Their goal in doing so appears to get you to respond in kind and then "report" you for violating DB rules.

Nice to see another voice of reason here.
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BWAAAAHHHHHHH...

Thats funny..
 
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