Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

[code1211]

Failure=a single death more than what was necessary. No lockdowns would have caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths because people would have interact with each other more. You are not smarter than the leaders of every nation on earth.
Let me understand this: you think that it would represent a “police state” if vaccinations were required to control the worst pandemic in 100 years. Does that pretty much sum up your opinion on the vaccine mandates? Truth is, no one is actually being forced to be vaccinated. Everyone will have a choice.
Some “police state”…..LOLOLOL

Please link to the authority that supports your conclusion with any kind of hard fact.

 

[code1211]

I am not talking about vaccines or wearing masks.
But I am against the government forcing either of those as well (though I got both shots and I wear a mask - because I have minor asthma and to be courteous, respectively.).
I am talking about lockdowns and taking American's Constitutional rights.

Lockdowns violate freedom of religion and freedom to peacefully assemble
The first and the fourteenth amendment.
(the First covers the two rights. The 14'th protects against the state's taking these rights away on their own.)
NOTHING in the Constitution allows for lockdowns.

I do not care what 'times' these are.
The SCOTUS is supposed to follow the Constitution...no exceptions.
It is in the oath they took.

Good post.

So far, the SCOTUS has only ruled on the rights of states to issue mandates. As far as I can tell, this being a states' rights issue, they are well within the lines.

At some point, somebody is going to bring a law suit regarding the right of employers to fire employees for non-compliance wit the changed conditions of employment demanding compliance for no apparent reason.

That should be interesting.

 

[Ethel2]

Please link to the authority that supports your conclusion with any kind of hard fact.

Oh-I made it up of course! Just like JDogg made up his assertions that lockdowns didn’t work, passing them off as facts.
Logic tells us that the farther apart people are the less likely the virus can spread . No doubt lives were saved by closing down businesses and schools. As to how many….I made up a number.
Turnabout is fair play.

 

[The Work Outing]

Failure=a single death more than what was necessary. No lockdowns would have caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths because people would have interact with each other more. You are not smarter than the leaders of every nation on earth.
Let me understand this: you think that it would represent a “police state” if vaccinations were required to control the worst pandemic in 100 years. Does that pretty much sum up your opinion on the vaccine mandates? Truth is, no one is actually being forced to be vaccinated. Everyone will have a choice.
Some “police state”…..LOLOLOL

You are/quoting someone else whom is guessing.
And you/they are wrong.

Sweden NEVER locked down.
Yet, if you look at the second link?
You will see that Sweden had a lower Covid-19 deaths per 1 million population rate than dozens of country's that DID lock down...
...including the United States.

Daily COVID Deaths Hit Zero in Sweden, Which Never Locked DOwn

More than 100,000 people flooded streets in France over the weekend and multiple COVID vaccination centers were vandalized as opposition grew to the government’s most recent pandemic strategy. In P…

clarion.causeaction.com

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

This conclusively proves that there is NO factual, causative link between locking down a population and increased Covid-19 deaths.

 

[The Work Outing]

Failure=a single death more than what was necessary. No lockdowns would have caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths because people would have interact with each other more. You are not smarter than the leaders of every nation on earth.
Let me understand this: you think that it would represent a “police state” if vaccinations were required to control the worst pandemic in 100 years. Does that pretty much sum up your opinion on the vaccine mandates? Truth is, no one is actually being forced to be vaccinated. Everyone will have a choice.
Some “police state”…..LOLOLOL

Actually...no.

Tuberculosis (TB) is the worst pandemic of the last 100 years.
In 2018, '19 and '20 alone?
TB killed 4.8 million people worldwide.

Tuberculosis is the world’s deadliest infectious disease – DW – 03/24/2020

As the coronavirus death toll mounts, global health authorities are reminding that tuberculosis is deadliest infectious disease in the world. Over a million deaths are reported every year.

www.dw.com

Deaths from TB

Number of deaths, that is mortality from TB for children, adults and in each "high burden" country.

tbfacts.org

ALSO - according to the WHO?
Both the Asian Flu of 1957-58 and the Hong Kong Flu of 1968-69 may have killed as many as 4 million people each.

1957–1958 influenza pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hong Kong flu - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And considering there have been many, proven cases where hospitals sometimes calling a Covid-19 death - even if they did not actually die of the disease but just tested positive for it
(though I do believe millions did die of it)?
The numbers that died of Covid-19 may be overblown.

 

[The Work Outing]

Failure=a single death more than what was necessary. No lockdowns would have caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths because people would have interact with each other more. You are not smarter than the leaders of every nation on earth.
Let me understand this: you think that it would represent a “police state” if vaccinations were required to control the worst pandemic in 100 years. Does that pretty much sum up your opinion on the vaccine mandates? Truth is, no one is actually being forced to be vaccinated. Everyone will have a choice.
Some “police state”…..LOLOLOL

I forgot this:

COVID-19 Linked Hunger Could Cause More Deaths Than The Disease Itself, New Report Finds

121 million more people could be pushed to the brink of starvation this year.

time.com

UN report: Pandemic year marked by spike in world hunger

There was a dramatic worsening of world hunger in 2020, the United Nations said today – much of it likely related to the fallout of COVID-19. While the pandemic’s impact has yet to be fully mapped, a multi-agency report estimates that around a tenth of the global population – up to 811 million...

www.who.int

Did the Lockdowns in America Kill People in Africa? – The American Spectator | USA News and Politics

More people could die from starvation caused by the coronavirus than by the virus itself, according to a new study by Oxfam, a UK nonprofit that works to alleviate poverty. By the end of 2020, up to 12,000 people could die each day from starvation caused by the pandemic, the…

spectator.org

What has rarely been reported is all the deaths that lockdowns caused through starvation.

 

[Ethel2]

Actually...no.

Tuberculosis (TB) is the worst pandemic of the last 100 years.
In 2018, '19 and '20 alone?
TB killed 4.8 million people worldwide.

Tuberculosis is the world’s deadliest infectious disease – DW – 03/24/2020

As the coronavirus death toll mounts, global health authorities are reminding that tuberculosis is deadliest infectious disease in the world. Over a million deaths are reported every year.

www.dw.com

Deaths from TB

Number of deaths, that is mortality from TB for children, adults and in each "high burden" country.

tbfacts.org

ALSO - according to the WHO?
Both the Asian Flu of 1957-58 and the Hong Kong Flu of 1968-69 may have killed as many as 4 million people each.

1957–1958 influenza pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hong Kong flu - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And considering there have been many, proven cases where hospitals sometimes calling a Covid-19 death - even if they did not actually die of the disease but just tested positive for it
(though I do believe millions did die of it)?
The numbers that died of Covid-19 may be overblown.

There’s no good vaccine for TB. And it’s not nearly as transmissible as Covid.
How many people in this country died of TB last year?

 

[Ethel2]

I forgot this:

COVID-19 Linked Hunger Could Cause More Deaths Than The Disease Itself, New Report Finds

121 million more people could be pushed to the brink of starvation this year.

time.com

UN report: Pandemic year marked by spike in world hunger

There was a dramatic worsening of world hunger in 2020, the United Nations said today – much of it likely related to the fallout of COVID-19. While the pandemic’s impact has yet to be fully mapped, a multi-agency report estimates that around a tenth of the global population – up to 811 million...

www.who.int

Did the Lockdowns in America Kill People in Africa? – The American Spectator | USA News and Politics

More people could die from starvation caused by the coronavirus than by the virus itself, according to a new study by Oxfam, a UK nonprofit that works to alleviate poverty. By the end of 2020, up to 12,000 people could die each day from starvation caused by the pandemic, the…

spectator.org

What has rarely been reported is all the deaths that lockdowns caused through starvation.

And exactly how many deaths were caused by the lockdowns?
You are not smarter than every world leader.

 

[The Work Outing]

The vaccine is neither safe nor effective. It is a lie, predicated on stupid people to make billions of dollars while instituting tyranny by fear. Of course it is up to me to decide if it is legal or not, me, and every other Citizen who stands for liberty and against government tyranny. We are after all the final judgement of the law.
What is coming is a reckoning. The government and the pharmaceutical industry cannot maintain their lies and deceit for ever. The tide is already turning and the public is becoming more informed every day and that spells real trouble for the government/corporate agenda. Many stupid people will die as a result of immune damage done by the vaccine, and that is tragic, but out of that will come the overwhelming realization that the government and their corporate masters are criminals and the enemy of the people, and that will change everything.

And can you provide a link to unbiased, fact-based, scientific proof of these two, highlighted statements of yours?

 

[code1211]

Oh-I made it up of course! Just like JDogg made up his assertions that lockdowns didn’t work, passing them off as facts.
Logic tells us that the farther apart people are the less likely the virus can spread . No doubt lives were saved by closing down businesses and schools. As to how many….I made up a number.
Turnabout is fair play.

You are raving.

I'm asking for actual, verifiable evidence, data, that proves the destruction of the American society was justified.

In response, you rave.

I was listening to Doctor Radio yesterday to a conversation between two doctors who presented thoughts on this, but agreed that there was no data to back up what they agreed upon and presented their unfounded belief as fact.

I am amazed that our scientists turned propagandists promote what is more superstition than science.

It's really quite amazing.

The vaccines seem to be effective in preventing hospitalizations and death from infection. Interestingly, getting vaccinated AFTER recovery from being infected seems to be the best protection.

Despite the improvement of the outcomes, though, the case rate continues to increase. Immunity is NOT imparted by vaccines.

Mask mandates, social distancing, destroying the economy and wrecking the lives of those additionally killed by suicide, overdose, loneliness and depression seems like a high cost for assumptions based on nonsense.

Also interesting is the FACT that the victim counts of virus seems to rise and fall with no correlation to the mitigation measures employed, ignored or discarded.

Adhering to the propaganda directives might provide comfort for as you accept the suppositions as truth, but your adherence does not provide protection from the virus.

 

[Ethel2]

You are raving.

I'm asking for actual, verifiable evidence, data, that proves the destruction of the American society was justified.

In response, you rave.

I was listening to Doctor Radio yesterday to a conversation between two doctors who presented thoughts on this, but agreed that there was no data to back up what they agreed upon and presented their unfounded belief as fact.

I am amazed that our scientists turned propagandists promote what is more superstition than science.

It's really quite amazing.

The vaccines seem to be effective in preventing hospitalizations and death from infection. Interestingly, getting vaccinated AFTER recovery from being infected seems to be the best protection.

Despite the improvement of the outcomes, though, the case rate continues to increase. Immunity is NOT imparted by vaccines.

Mask mandates, social distancing, destroying the economy and wrecking the lives of those additionally killed by suicide, overdose, loneliness and depression seems like a high cost for assumptions based on nonsense.

Also interesting is the FACT that the victim counts of virus seems to rise and fall with no correlation to the mitigation measures employed, ignored or discarded.

Adhering to the propaganda directives might provide comfort for as you accept the suppositions as truth, but your adherence does not provide protection from the virus.

You finally get the point. I

You are raving.

I'm asking for actual, verifiable evidence, data, that proves the destruction of the American society was justified.

In response, you rave.

I was listening to Doctor Radio yesterday to a conversation between two doctors who presented thoughts on this, but agreed that there was no data to back up what they agreed upon and presented their unfounded belief as fact.

I am amazed that our scientists turned propagandists promote what is more superstition than science.

It's really quite amazing.

The vaccines seem to be effective in preventing hospitalizations and death from infection. Interestingly, getting vaccinated AFTER recovery from being infected seems to be the best protection.

Despite the improvement of the outcomes, though, the case rate continues to increase. Immunity is NOT imparted by vaccines.

Mask mandates, social distancing, destroying the economy and wrecking the lives of those additionally killed by suicide, overdose, loneliness and depression seems like a high cost for assumptions based on nonsense.

Also interesting is the FACT that the victim counts of virus seems to rise and fall with no correlation to the mitigation measures employed, ignored or discarded.

Adhering to the propaganda directives might provide comfort for as you accept the suppositions as truth, but your adherence does not provide protection from the virus.

(Interrupted by DP going off line)

You finally get the point then-you illogically have the belief that lockdowns were ineffective (despite being implemented by every nation on earth) and have no proof whatsoever to support your confused opinion-so I made up a number with an equal amount of proof, which is none.
The ONLY way to reasonably conclude that lockdowns did or didn’t work to reduce caseloads is to examine one country that implemented them and a similar country that didn’t and compare the results. Unfortunately for you there are no countries on the planet that didn’t use them-because separating people from each other has been used for at least decades by epidemiologists, and that’s what lockdowns do.
Absent definitive proof one has to rely on logic, and your posts have none. It’s far more reasonable to assume that some lives were saved by this forced separation than to assume that none were.

 

[Ethel2]

You are raving.

I'm asking for actual, verifiable evidence, data, that proves the destruction of the American society was justified.

In response, you rave.

I was listening to Doctor Radio yesterday to a conversation between two doctors who presented thoughts on this, but agreed that there was no data to back up what they agreed upon and presented their unfounded belief as fact.

I am amazed that our scientists turned propagandists promote what is more superstition than science.

It's really quite amazing.

The vaccines seem to be effective in preventing hospitalizations and death from infection. Interestingly, getting vaccinated AFTER recovery from being infected seems to be the best protection.

Despite the improvement of the outcomes, though, the case rate continues to increase. Immunity is NOT imparted by vaccines.

Britain's delay imposing Covid lockdown cost thousands of lives, report says​

The deadly delay resulted from ministers’ failure to question scientific advisers, resulting in a dangerous level of “groupthink,” lawmakers said.



The deadly delay resulted from ministers’ failure to question the recommendations of scientific advisers, resulting in a dangerous level of “groupthink” that caused them to dismiss the more aggressive strategies adopted in East and Southeast Asia, according to the joint report from the House of Commons’ science and health committees.



It was only when Britain’s National Health Service risked being overwhelmed by rapidly rising infections that Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Conservative government finally ordered a lockdown.”

Nuff said

U.K. delay imposing lockdown cost thousands of lives, report says

The deadly delay resulted from ministers’ failure to question scientific advisers, resulting in a dangerous level of “groupthink,” lawmakers said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[code1211]

You finally get the point. I

(Interrupted by DP going off line)

You finally get the point then-you illogically have the belief that lockdowns were ineffective (despite being implemented by every nation on earth) and have no proof whatsoever to support your confused opinion-so I made up a number with an equal amount of proof, which is none.
The ONLY way to reasonably conclude that lockdowns did or didn’t work to reduce caseloads is to examine one country that implemented them and a similar country that didn’t and compare the results. Unfortunately for you there are no countries on the planet that didn’t use them-because separating people from each other has been used for at least decades by epidemiologists, and that’s what lockdowns do.
Absent definitive proof one has to rely on logic, and your posts have none. It’s far more reasonable to assume that some lives were saved by this forced separation than to assume that none were.

Maybe compare states within the US.

The top 4 states with the highest death tolls are also the top 4 states with the highest populations. Also equally split between most rigorous mitigation measures and least rigorous.

IF the mitigation measures were not entirely and completely useless and ineffective, THEN, one might expect to find, a clearly obvious departure from this outcome that demonstrates that the virus does what it does.

It would be nice if the mitigation measures had worked, but they did not.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[code1211]

Britain's delay imposing Covid lockdown cost thousands of lives, report says​

The deadly delay resulted from ministers’ failure to question scientific advisers, resulting in a dangerous level of “groupthink,” lawmakers said.



The deadly delay resulted from ministers’ failure to question the recommendations of scientific advisers, resulting in a dangerous level of “groupthink” that caused them to dismiss the more aggressive strategies adopted in East and Southeast Asia, according to the joint report from the House of Commons’ science and health committees.



It was only when Britain’s National Health Service risked being overwhelmed by rapidly rising infections that Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Conservative government finally ordered a lockdown.”

Nuff said

U.K. delay imposing lockdown cost thousands of lives, report says

The deadly delay resulted from ministers’ failure to question scientific advisers, resulting in a dangerous level of “groupthink,” lawmakers said.

www.nbcnews.com

In Britain, EXACTLY AS IT DID EVERYWHERE, Delta rose, peaked and declined with no impact whatever from the actions or lack of action from anything imposed by the authorities.

The only thing, apparently, that any humans did to impact the spread of the Virus at any time was to release it from the lab in Wuhan. After that, Anthropogenic influence vanished until the vaccines reduced the lethality.

Disagree? Prove it. The responses advertised to contain to the virus were useless, ineffective and not even above the level of superstition. A rabbit's foot and a mask had the same levels of protection for the user.

 

[Ethel2]

Maybe compare states within the US.

The top 4 states with the highest death tolls are also the top 4 states with the highest populations. Also equally split between most rigorous mitigation measures and least rigorous.

IF the mitigation measures were not entirely and completely useless and ineffective, THEN, one might expect to find, a clearly obvious departure from this outcome that demonstrates that the virus does what it does.

It would be nice if the mitigation measures had worked, but they did not.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Still too many confounding variables to make a meaningful conclusion statistically. You will go on arrogantly believing that you are smarter than every world leader and 99% of the medical profession on the planet, but you aren’t. You are dead wrong.

 

[Ethel2]

In Britain, EXACTLY AS IT DID EVERYWHERE, Delta rose, peaked and declined with no impact whatever from the actions or lack of action from anything imposed by the authorities.

The only thing, apparently, that any humans did to impact the spread of the Virus at any time was to release it from the lab in Wuhan. After that, Anthropogenic influence vanished until the vaccines reduced the lethality.

Disagree? Prove it. The responses advertised to contain to the virus were useless, ineffective and not even above the level of superstition. A rabbit's foot and a mask had the same levels of protection for the user.

One last time: unless you know that case counts would have been unchanged with no lockdowns (and can prove it) then you are simply expressing your opinion. There’s nothing wrong with that even if your opinion is illogical.
Just don’t try to pass it off as fact.

 

[RealityChecker]

In Britain, EXACTLY AS IT DID EVERYWHERE, Delta rose, peaked and declined with no impact whatever from the actions or lack of action from anything imposed by the authorities.

The only thing, apparently, that any humans did to impact the spread of the Virus at any time was to release it from the lab in Wuhan. After that, Anthropogenic influence vanished until the vaccines reduced the lethality.

Disagree? Prove it. The responses advertised to contain to the virus were useless, ineffective and not even above the level of superstition. A rabbit's foot and a mask had the same levels of protection for the user.

Here's an excellent and brief article explaining why the CDC and corrupt politicians want to hide the truth about their failure to do anything effective to stop the spread of the Wuhan virus:

"If the CDC got back to epidemiological basics and finally did these essential studies, most scientists estimate that somewhere between 50% and 60% of the population will turn out to have natural immunity, including many who were vaccinated (which artificially elevates estimates of vaccine efficacy, by the way). In the mind of officials who never want to admit that they may have been wrong, this will suggest that—despite draconian lockdowns, social distancing, masking, scrubbing of surfaces, etc.—the virus nevertheless did what viruses do: over half of Americans got infected anyways.

Self-interested public health agencies will see this as bad news. (The silver lining is that, of this huge number of people who have been infected with Covid, 99.8% will have survived, including 99.9996% of those under 50.)" AARON KHERIATY Rest of article here:

Why the CDC Ignores Natural Immunity ⋆ Brownstone Institute​

There are many political reasons the CDC continues to ignore the scientific evidence on this issue. Here is a sampling

brownstone.org

 

[The Work Outing]

One last time: unless you know that case counts would have been unchanged with no lockdowns (and can prove it) then you are simply expressing your opinion. There’s nothing wrong with that even if your opinion is illogical.
Just don’t try to pass it off as fact.

Yet you are doing the exact same thing you accuse code1211 of doing.

You have provided ZERO links to unbiased, factual proof that lockdowns ALWAYS result in lower death rates.
Yet you claim as fact that lockdowns MUST lower Covid-19 death rate.

Where is your link to FACTUAL DATA from unbiased sources that lockdowns are 100% effective at lowering Covid-19 death rates?

Either post it or you are a hypocrite in this regard for calling out some for doing EXACTLY what you are doing.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yet you are doing the exact same thing you accuse code1211 of doing.

You have provided ZERO links to unbiased, factual proof that lockdowns ALWAYS result in lower death rates.
Yet you claim as fact that lockdowns MUST lower Covid-19 death rate.

Where is your link to FACTUAL DATA from unbiased sources that lockdowns are 100% effective at lowering Covid-19 death rates?

Either post it or you are a hypocrite in this regard for calling out some for doing EXACTLY what you are doing.

Sweden?

Fail.

 

[Ethel2]

Yet you are doing the exact same thing you accuse code1211 of doing.

You have provided ZERO links to unbiased, factual proof that lockdowns ALWAYS result in lower death rates.
Yet you claim as fact that lockdowns MUST lower Covid-19 death rate.

Where is your link to FACTUAL DATA from unbiased sources that lockdowns are 100% effective at lowering Covid-19 death rates?

Either post it or you are a hypocrite in this regard for calling out some for doing EXACTLY what you are doing.

As I have said many times, there is no factual data since there is no comparable control group that never utilized lockdowns. In the absence of proof you have to rely on logic, and I have presented the logic of using a tool that every country on earth has used

 

[code1211]

Still too many confounding variables to make a meaningful conclusion statistically. You will go on arrogantly believing that you are smarter than every world leader and 99% of the medical profession on the planet, but you aren’t. You are dead wrong.

Actually, I'm not dead at all.

The confounding variables you cite are too confounding to provide any well founded conclusion.

That is ONE of the reasons that the certainty of the experts should be challenged.

Most of the "experts" issuing unfounded opinions as if they are facts are not experts at all and their opinions are not based on data.

You are willfully ignoring reality to support the narrative you prefer. I am questioning the narrative because i notice reality.

46 Million + US Cases. 756 Thousand + US Deaths. The average cases per month are up following January 21, 2021 while deaths are down in the average month. FACTS.

The vaccines seem to work to lessen the severity of the infections. Delta was said by the experts to be less lethal, but more contagious.

Could the wide spread use of vaccines had an impact on that outcome? What did the experts say? Not much of use.

Masks, social distancing and all the rest were useless, pointless and are now shown to be political devices utterly unrelated to any mitigation of the virus.

The cure was worse than the illness and Trump CORRECTLY saw the ineffectiveness and damage of the "mitigation measures" and the need for an effective vaccine delivered ASAP to as many as wanted it.

 

[RealityChecker]

As I have said many times, there is no factual data since there is no comparable control group that never utilized lockdowns. In the absence of proof you have to rely on logic, and I have presented the logic of using a tool that every country on earth has used

Lockdowns or quarantining [in theory] should certainly work to reduce the spread of communicable diseases. We have had Leper colonies since Biblical times. Someone here even suggested people who refuse to get the COVID vaccines be sent to some island. Hawaii still has a now voluntary leper colony on the island of Molokai. Not sure there is enough room on Molokai for all modern day "lepers" who refuse to get vaccinated against COVID, but there are plenty of Alaskan islands we could send our modern day "lepers" to them to fend for themselves.

We had sanitoriums for people with tuberculosis before we had an effective treatment. Cuba used forced quarantining on people infected with HIV (AIDS virus) for over 10 years back in 1980s & 1990s and it certainly helped prevent the spread of AIDS on Cuba. Who can argue with their intent to stop the spread of such a deadly disease? Think of the lives that could have been saved if "Typhoid Mary" had only been identified and quarantined on some Aleutian Island?

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Of course, if you think about it, historically people with communicable diseases were shunned and isolated or quarantined and it certainly could be an effective way to limit the spread of communicable diseases. China's Xi was having his minions nail shut the apartment doors and windows of those infected with the Wuhan virus in Wuhan, while allowing others to fly to Italy, the USA, England, and other countries. Even today India still has hundreds of leper colonies and these lepers are even more restricted than the "untouchables". But there is one big difference between these quarantines and the type of quarantine some on the progressive left here seem all too eager to impose of the anti-vaxers. In this case the quarantining would be of healthy people rather than those already infected with the disease. Indeed, a large portion of those who are refusing to get vaccinated against COVID have already been infected and recovered and so have significantly better and longer lasting immunity than those who have been vaccinated. These 150 to 200 million "COVID" survivors appear to pose even less of a risk to other Americans than do the more PC folks who dutifully got their shot as our Senile "Uncle Joe" has demanded.

Now I am sure Xi in China had no problem with limiting the freedom of people who are guilty of "thought crimes" such as questioning their "dear leaders" authority. However, I am not so sure most Americans are yet willing enough to comply with being locked up or isolated from the rest of society due to defiance of "Uncle Joe's" "Big Brother" fiats or mandates. Now the progressive left has already determined that many dead Americans were guilty of "thought crimes" like "racism" and so must be "cancelled" from US history and their statues torn down. Ask any enlightened BLM supporter and they will tell you their "post-truths". Seems a tad too Orwellian for me but I am not a big fan of authoritarian dictators. More here:

How ‘1984’ Has Become a How-To Manual

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[Ethel2]

Actually, I'm not dead at all.

The confounding variables you cite are too confounding to provide any well founded conclusion.

That is ONE of the reasons that the certainty of the experts should be challenged.

Most of the "experts" issuing unfounded opinions as if they are facts are not experts at all and their opinions are not based on data.

You are willfully ignoring reality to support the narrative you prefer. I am questioning the narrative because i notice reality.

46 Million + US Cases. 756 Thousand + US Deaths. The average cases per month are up following January 21, 2021 while deaths are down in the average month. FACTS.

The vaccines seem to work to lessen the severity of the infections. Delta was said by the experts to be less lethal, but more contagious.

Could the wide spread use of vaccines had an impact on that outcome? What did the experts say? Not much of use.

Masks, social distancing and all the rest were useless, pointless and are now shown to be political devices utterly unrelated to any mitigation of the virus.

The cure was worse than the illness and Trump CORRECTLY saw the ineffectiveness and damage of the "mitigation measures" and the need for an effective vaccine delivered ASAP to as many as wanted it.

As I wrote many times here, every nation in the world employed mitigation measures including mask mandates and lockdowns. If I were you I would be asking myself “what do they know that I obviously don’t know”- rather than arrogantly insisting that you know better than them. You do realize how this looks to normal people, right?
I think you should go on braying that mitigation measures are useless. I’ll stick with the science instead, listening to people who know far more than either of us.
You are dismissed.

 

[RealityChecker]

Actually, I'm not dead at all.

The confounding variables you cite are too confounding to provide any well founded conclusion.

That is ONE of the reasons that the certainty of the experts should be challenged.

Most of the "experts" issuing unfounded opinions as if they are facts are not experts at all and their opinions are not based on data.

You are willfully ignoring reality to support the narrative you prefer. I am questioning the narrative because i notice reality.

46 Million + US Cases. 756 Thousand + US Deaths. The average cases per month are up following January 21, 2021 while deaths are down in the average month. FACTS.

The vaccines seem to work to lessen the severity of the infections. Delta was said by the experts to be less lethal, but more contagious.

Could the wide spread use of vaccines had an impact on that outcome? What did the experts say? Not much of use.

Masks, social distancing and all the rest were useless, pointless and are now shown to be political devices utterly unrelated to any mitigation of the virus.

The cure was worse than the illness and Trump CORRECTLY saw the ineffectiveness and damage of the "mitigation measures" and the need for an effective vaccine delivered ASAP to as many as wanted it.

Well that post is going to hurt your "Social Credit Score". We cannot have that type of thinking according to "Uncle Joe" and his minions.

 

[Ethel2]

Lockdowns or quarantining [in theory] should certainly work to reduce the spread of communicable diseases. We have had Leper colonies since Biblical times. Someone here even suggested people who refuse to get the COVID vaccines be sent to some island. Hawaii still has a now voluntary leper colony on the island of Molokai. Not sure there is enough room on Molokai for all modern day "lepers" who refuse to get vaccinated against COVID, but there are plenty of Alaskan islands we could send our modern day "lepers" to them to fend for themselves.

We had sanitoriums for people with tuberculosis before we had an effective treatment. Cuba used forced quarantining on people infected with HIV (AIDS virus) for over 10 years back in 1980s & 1990s and it certainly helped prevent the spread of AIDS on Cuba. Who can argue with their intent to stop the spread of such a deadly disease? Think of the lives that could have been saved if "Typhoid Mary" had only been identified and quarantined on some Aleutian Island?

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Of course, if you think about it, historically people with communicable diseases were shunned and isolated or quarantined and it certainly could be an effective way to limit the spread of communicable diseases. China's Xi was having his minions nail shut the apartment doors and windows of those infected with the Wuhan virus in Wuhan, while allowing others to fly to Italy, the USA, England, and other countries. Even today India still has hundreds of leper colonies and these lepers are even more restricted than the "untouchables". But there is one big difference between these quarantines and the type of quarantine some on the progressive left here seem all too eager to impose of the anti-vaxers. In this case the quarantining would be of healthy people rather than those already infected with the disease. Indeed, a large portion of those who are refusing to get vaccinated against COVID have already been infected and recovered and so have significantly better and longer lasting immunity than those who have been vaccinated. These 150 to 200 million "COVID" survivors appear to pose even less of a risk to other Americans than do the more PC folks who dutifully got their shot as our Senile "Uncle Joe" has demanded.

Now I am sure Xi in China had no problem with limiting the freedom of people who are guilty of "thought crimes" such as questioning their "dear leaders" authority. However, I am not so sure most Americans are yet willing enough to comply with being locked up or isolated from the rest of society due to defiance of "Uncle Joe's" "Big Brother" fiats or mandates. Now the progressive left has already determined that many dead Americans were guilty of "thought crimes" like "racism" and so must be "cancelled" from US history and their statues torn down. Ask any enlightened BLM supporter and they will tell you their "post-truths". Seems a tad too Orwellian for me but I am not a big fan of authoritarian dictators. More here:

How ‘1984’ Has Become a How-To Manual

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“Most Americans” won’t need to be isolated from normal people. “Most Americans” are either vaccinated or will become vaccinated so that they can remain functional members of society.
Only the selfish covidiots will be isolated (or become infected). They won’t garner much sympathy from normal people who have fulfilled their social responsibility.