Why I Became Pro Life

[mac]

Murder is a legal term, and since abortion isn't illegal, no it's not murder hon.

Murder is a concept, sweetie, not just a legal term.

 

[rivrrat]

Murder is a concept, sweetie, not just a legal term.

No, it's pretty much a legal term sweetheart. It's very definition includes the word "illegal".

I'm sure there's some round about way you can get all philosophical about it. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a legal term in this country.

 

[Josie]

Only people I wouldn't want to be around.

Mmmmmhm.....

 

[rivrrat]

Mmmmmhm.....

LMFAO If people get their delicate sensibilities offended so ****ing easily, they aren't people I'd care to associate with. I have no desire to temper my personality to suit someone's easily harmed wittle feelings, nor will I. /shrug They're sure as **** not going to be any damn fun to be around, so why would I bother?

 

[1069]

Wow. I've never heard any pregnant mother call her baby that.

Well, clearly you've never met me. Or any of my friends or acquaintances.
And while we're on the topic of reality checks, I've never heard anybody in real life refer to a pregnant girl/woman as a "pregnant mother", unless she has previously given birth and is raising other children. And actually, not even then.

 

[1069]

I imagine that alienates you from some people.

I imagine that enormous stick up your butt alienates you from some people.
It's certainly alienated you from me.

 

[Josie]

I imagine that enormous stick up your butt alienates you from some people.
It's certainly alienated you from me.

Feel free to not read anything I write on this board again if I bother you this much. Jeez louise.

 

[mac]

No, it's pretty much a legal term sweetheart. It's very definition includes the word "illegal".

I'm sure there's some round about way you can get all philosophical about it. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a legal term in this country.

I don't want it to get too difficult for you to follow, darlin, but where do you think the legal terms come from? Pure invention? Now, don't hurt yourself.

 

[mac]

I imagine that enormous stick up your butt alienates you from some people.
It's certainly alienated you from me.

Wasn't it you that just a few minutes ago said something about being insulting?

 

[rivrrat]

I don't want it to get too difficult for you to follow, darlin, but where do you think the legal terms come from? Pure invention? Now, don't hurt yourself.

So is it, or is it not a legal term? When one says murder in this country, are they speaking of self-defense or illegal killings? Don't blow any gaskets trying to come up with the answer.

 

[mac]

So is it, or is it not a legal term? When one says murder in this country, are they speaking of self-defense or illegal killings? Don't blow any gaskets trying to come up with the answer.

When someone says gay, do they mean happy or homosexual? Now don't get all worked up, girlie, you'll get it.

 

[1069]

Wow, I never thought I'd be reduced to busting out the old Merriam-Webster's.
Perhaps I'm on the wrong forum; I thought this was DebatePolitics, not Debate Semantics.


mur·der
   /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled[mur-der] Show IPA
–noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
2.
Slang . something extremely difficult or perilous: That final exam was murder!
3.
a group or flock of crows.


Murder | Define Murder at Dictionary.com

You're absolutely right, Mac: murder has more than one meaning.
It can refer to the unlawful killing of a person, or to a flock of crows.
Can't see what either one of those two things has to do with abortion, however.
Both seem equally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

[mac]

Wow, I never thought I'd be reduced to busting out the old Merriam-Webster's.
Perhaps I'm on the wrong forum; I thought this was DebatePolitics, not Debate Semantics.


mur·der
   /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled[mur-der] Show IPA
–noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
2.
Slang . something extremely difficult or perilous: That final exam was murder!
3.
a group or flock of crows.


Murder | Define Murder at Dictionary.com

You're absolutely right, Mac: murder has more than one meaning.
It can refer to the unlawful killing of a person, or to a flock of crows.
Can't see what either one of those two things has to do with abortion, however.
Both seem equally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

there's more to it:

–verb (used with object)
4.
Law . to kill by an act constituting murder.
5.
to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
6.
to spoil or mar by bad performance, representation, pronunciation, etc.: The tenor murdered the aria.


that doesn't even begin to address the philosophical origins of the concept. using words other than murder to affect the concept of abortion is the very method rivrrat is using here.

If it were a simple matter of semantics, why is my use of the word such an issue for her?

 

[rivrrat]

If it were a simple matter of semantics, why is my use of the word such an issue for her?

Not an issue with me in the slightest. /shrug I was just pointing out that since abortion is legal, calling it "murder" is incorrect. If you want to keep using the term erroneously, I couldn't care less since it affects absolutely nothing.

 

[mac]

Not an issue with me in the slightest. /shrug I was just pointing out that since abortion is legal, calling it "murder" is incorrect. If you want to keep using the term erroneously, I couldn't care less since it affects absolutely nothing.

All laws are always right, never called into question, and never repealed, right?

 

[rivrrat]

All laws are always right, never called into question, and never repealed, right?

LOL nope, not at all. But that doesn't negate the fact that it's not murder in this country at this time.

 

[mac]

LOL nope, not at all. But that doesn't negate the fact that it's not murder in this country at this time.

Hence, the ongoing debate.

 

[rivrrat]

Hence, the ongoing debate.

Hence the fact that you were using the term erroneously. If and when they ever make abortion illegal rofl), THEN you can appropriately label it 'murder'.

 

[Chuz Life]

Hence the fact that you were using the term erroneously. If and when they ever make abortion illegal rofl), THEN you can appropriately label it 'murder'.

The definitions of the word are vague enough that it can be (and often is) used appropriately now.

 

[rivrrat]

The definitions of the word are vague enough that it can be (and often is) used appropriately now.

Call it whatever the **** you want. It makes no difference to the debate. Call it 'sugar plum fairy dustings' for all I care.

 

[Chuz Life]

Call it whatever the **** you want. It makes no difference to the debate. Call it 'sugar plum fairy dustings' for all I care.

Thanks,....

But just the same, "Murder" will suffice for now.

 

[rivrrat]

Thanks,....

But just the same, "Murder" will suffice for now.

Well, it has the same relevance as 'sugar plum fairy dustings', but it doesn't sound nearly as cool. But, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Chuz Life]

Well, it has the same relevance as 'sugar plum fairy dustings', but it doesn't sound nearly as cool. But, whatever floats your boat.

Clearly the impact is much more fittiing,... or it wouldn't illicit the responses that it does.

 

[mac]

Well, it has the same relevance as 'sugar plum fairy dustings', but it doesn't sound nearly as cool. But, whatever floats your boat.

Then why does it bother you so? Besides, I'm sure that you agree with all other laws, too, and you would never have a different definition of those laws than does the government, right?

 

[rivrrat]

Clearly the impact is much more fittiing,... or it wouldn't illicit the responses that it does.

Then why does it bother you so?

It has no impact whatsoever, and it sure as **** doesn't bother me. Why would it? I was merely pointing out how it was incorrect. If pointing out to someone that what they're saying is incorrect is a sign that it's terribly bothersome or has some 'impact', then I guess all of us here on the debate forum are 'bothered' and 'impacted' repeatedly on a daily basis in every thread we post in.

Besides, I'm sure that you agree with all other laws, too, and you would never have a different definition of those laws than does the government, right?

My opinion of laws doesn't change the definition of legal terms.