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Why I Became Pro Life

The Uncola said:
Like I take orders from you? Spend your life with your head buried in the sand, it's no skin off my teeth.
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So, in other words, you can't.
 
Graffight said:
At one point i may have thought the same way as you, but don't think your logic follows. Simply because a mother has the right to liberty does not give her the right to impeed anothers right to life. On your logic a three year old is impeeding on the parents right to liberty and we should be able to discard it for that reason. If you don't agree, what is the difference. Though the three year old is no longer inside the mother's body it still requires her physical effort in order to survive.
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Have you considered the fact that a three year old can be left with relatives or even state agencies, while a fetus can not?

The other problem is that under normal circumstances will not endanger the mothers life unlike cancer.
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Can you guarantee that? Of course not and fact remains that women do die due to their pregnancies and giving birth. Can you predict with any degree of certainty , at the onset of pregnancy which women will die or live. If not may I suggest to stay the f**k out of the decision process of risk undertaking by others?
 
mac said:
No matter how you describe "it", no matter what name you give "it", "it" is a life. Terminating "it" ends a life. The minute the sperm reaches the egg and it is fertilized, "it" is life.
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Are you saying that the sperm on its own is not life or the egg?
 
mac said:
I'm in the military, our lifestyle would not be conducive, or acceptable, given my time away from home, for adoption. As soon as that changes, we are going to adopt. How does that make me a hypocrite?
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Why not just give up the military? Why is your convenience more important or your career or whatever?
 
mac said:
No matter how you describe a fetus. no matter what attributes you assign it to delgitimize it's life, ending a life is ending a life, regardless of the stage of developement that life is in at the time of it's ending.
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So what? It is the significance of life that matters not its existence.
 
rivrrat said:
I think the point is that the anti-choice side - in general - wants to force women to bear children they know they cannot afford and then refuse them help when they can't afford the kid they knew they couldn't afford and were forced to gestate to term.
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Seriously Rivvr,....

Does it do any good to call those of us who are trying to defend the children you yourself admit are killed in an abortion,... "anti-choice?"

Most of us are even anti-choice for abortions,... in as much as we accept ther are and can be justifications (life of the mother, rape, etc.)

So, why the mischaracterization?
 
The Uncola said:
Like I take orders from you? Spend your life with your head buried in the sand, it's no skin off my teeth.
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Then run around shooting your mouth of in ignorance, like you're doing here. No skin of mine either.
 
prometeus said:
It is? To all? Who made it so?

Some basic reading on legal matters might be of help here to aleviate the state if being uninformed.
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You're both misunderstanding what I said and taking out of context.
 
prometeus said:
Why not just give up the military? Why is your convenience more important or your career or whatever?
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You obviously know nothing about the military. You don't just give up the military, and it has nothing to do with convienience.
 
mac said:
You obviously know nothing about the military. You don't just give up the military, and it has nothing to do with convienience.
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Yes, because the military is just like the Hotel California: you can check in any time you like, but you can never leave.

Never, never, never. Ever! :prof
 
1069 said:
Yes, because the military is just like the Hotel California: you can check in any time you like, but you can never leave.

Never, never, never. Ever! :prof
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You can leave, but not whenever you feel like it. I have a contractual obligation for about 2 more years, at which point I will leave and we will adobt. We've allready tried, but the frequency and duration of my deployments was deemed unhealthy for the well being of an adobted child. So, bash me on something else. My money IS where my mouth is.
 
mac said:
You can leave, but not whenever you feel like it. I have a contractual obligation for about 2 more years, at which point I will leave and we will adobt. We've allready tried, but the frequency and duration of my deployments was deemed unhealthy for the well being of an adobted child. So, bash me on something else. My money IS where my mouth is.
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Okay. How about dishonesty?

Military adoption: how to, procedure, pros and cons, costs, benefits, reimbursement


"Make Use of Military Installation Resources

Every military installation provides a wealth of resources for families stationed at them. Family support services are a big part of the offerings provided by the military installations. Military installations usually have information about adoption. The staff at the military installations can give referrals to adoption agencies.

Military families

Some may question whether placing an adoptive child with a military family is a wise idea as the military life involves a lot of uprooting and moving around. The concept of frequent moves may be factual yet there are many reasons why military families are a great option for adoptive children. Military families have a wealth of resources available to them. They are given healthcare benefits as well as access to a number of services such as family support, educational resources and recreation. Military families also tend to have a strong familial bond.

A military family cannot be denied adoption simply because of the potential to move around. The Interstate Compact for the Placement of Children (ICPC) allows a child from one State to be adopted by a family who moves to another State.

Military adoption reimbursements

If you are on active duty in the military, you are eligible for reimbursement of expenses up to $2,000 for the adoption of a single child and up to $5,000 per family per year. In order to receive the reimbursement, the adoption must have been arranged through a non-profit agency. The reimbursement is paid after the adoption is finalized, this benefit is not doubled if both parents are in the military. Fees that can be reimbursed include agency fees, legal fees, placement fees, and medical expenses. Travel expenses were not originally covered when this program was introduced, but they may be covered now.

Military adoption benefits

Under the military’s Program for Persons with Disabilities, military parents may be eligible to receive up to $1,000 a month for disabled or special needs adopted children. The military also has a program called the Exceptional Family Member Program that will ensure that adoptive parents of special needs children are assigned to bases or duty stations that can meet the needs of the child."

 
1069 said:
Okay. How about dishonesty?

Military adoption: how to, procedure, pros and cons, costs, benefits, reimbursement


"Make Use of Military Installation Resources

Every military installation provides a wealth of resources for families stationed at them. Family support services are a big part of the offerings provided by the military installations. Military installations usually have information about adoption. The staff at the military installations can give referrals to adoption agencies.

Military families

Some may question whether placing an adoptive child with a military family is a wise idea as the military life involves a lot of uprooting and moving around. The concept of frequent moves may be factual yet there are many reasons why military families are a great option for adoptive children. Military families have a wealth of resources available to them. They are given healthcare benefits as well as access to a number of services such as family support, educational resources and recreation. Military families also tend to have a strong familial bond.

A military family cannot be denied adoption simply because of the potential to move around. The Interstate Compact for the Placement of Children (ICPC) allows a child from one State to be adopted by a family who moves to another State.

Military adoption reimbursements

If you are on active duty in the military, you are eligible for reimbursement of expenses up to $2,000 for the adoption of a single child and up to $5,000 per family per year. In order to receive the reimbursement, the adoption must have been arranged through a non-profit agency. The reimbursement is paid after the adoption is finalized, this benefit is not doubled if both parents are in the military. Fees that can be reimbursed include agency fees, legal fees, placement fees, and medical expenses. Travel expenses were not originally covered when this program was introduced, but they may be covered now.

Military adoption benefits

Under the military’s Program for Persons with Disabilities, military parents may be eligible to receive up to $1,000 a month for disabled or special needs adopted children. The military also has a program called the Exceptional Family Member Program that will ensure that adoptive parents of special needs children are assigned to bases or duty stations that can meet the needs of the child."
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Oh, brother. There are many differnet fields in the military. Mine takes me away from home quite a lot. More so, on average, than many others. So you know, it wasn't the moving around that is the problem....it's the frequency of deployment that is the problem. Now, do a google on deployment so you can be an authority there, too. We were turned down for adoption by the State of Maine for that very reason. I tried, have you? Dig up everything you want on the internet, but that's the case. When do you plan to adopt, 1069? I plan too, as soon as I retire in about two years.
 
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Mellie said:
So, in other words, you can't.
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As I've said before, I don't do bait, especially when it's tossed out by a closed mind. It's not my job to convince you or anyone else of the patently obvious.
 
Mellie said:
If you can't afford a child, don't get pregnant. If you take every precaution and you STILL get pregnant (highly rare), give the child up for adoption to a family that cannot have children. You're saving your child's life and you're helping out a couple that cannot conceive. Sounds like a good, selfless plan to me.
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Actually, it's not that rare. Half of all pregnancies in this country are unplanned, and half of those were using birth control. IAC, a woman should not be forced to endure pregnancy/childbirth in order to just hand the baby over to someone else. If a woman chooses to do that, fine, but one should never be forced to do it. Women suffer from emotional trauma from giving up a child for adoption for the rest of their lives, it's much more severe than abortion.
 
OKgrannie said:
Actually, it's not that rare. Half of all pregnancies in this country are unplanned, and half of those were using birth control. IAC, a woman should not be forced to endure pregnancy/childbirth in order to just hand the baby over to someone else. If a woman chooses to do that, fine, but one should never be forced to do it. Women suffer from emotional trauma from giving up a child for adoption for the rest of their lives, it's much more severe than abortion.
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Where did you get those statistics and the info about emotional trauma of adoption vs. abortion?
 
mac said:
You're both misunderstanding what I said and taking out of context.
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Am I now? It was a simple statement of yours "So? Who cares if life is sacred or not?" Which part did I misunderstand or take out of context? Why don't you elaborate then so that the misunderstanding can be eliminated and the right context be used? Here let me ask the simpler question: DO you believe that life is sacred, if so how or why and by what process?
 
mac said:
No, I'm not. You're grasping at straws.
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What straws? If that is true [that you are NOT saying tha sperm and egg are not alive] then the post I replied to is meaningless. Here let me repeat it for you "No matter how you describe "it", no matter what name you give "it", "it" is a life. Terminating "it" ends a life. The minute the sperm reaches the egg and it is fertilized, "it" is life."
 
mac said:
You obviously know nothing about the military. You don't just give up the military, and it has nothing to do with convienience.
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Honesty helps. Lets look at this now. You said that when you retire you will adopt, that making it clear that this is not your first tour and that makes it one of convenience. But then again I know nothing about the military after a life long association and being the father of one of the youngest full birds ever.
 
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