Why Guns Should Be Confiscated[W:730]

[RF667799]

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And I told you that there was no magic number that could be specified.

What about that very direct and simply answer so befuddles and confuses you?

Because your "direct and simply answer" was to a question I didn't ask?

What's wrong with the questions I actually asked?

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[haymarket]

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Because your "direct and simply answer" was to a question I didn't ask?

What's wrong with the questions I actually asked?

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I have already covered that in my previous posts responding to you. here were your three questions

1 -

So only one model can be banned before it is an infringement on the right?

I told you there is no magic number.
One is not the magic number.

2 - Or can multiple models be banned?

same answer as above

How many words can be banned before the right of free speech is abridged?

The First and Second Amendments are separate and the language of one does not apply to the other so your question is both irrelevant and based on a fraudulent assumption.

 

[RF667799]

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I told you there is no magic number.
One is not the magic number.

"One" is within your claim.

Can there be more?

This seems to be an exceptionally difficult question for you.

 

[RF667799]

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The First and Second Amendments are separate and the language of one does not apply to the other so your question is both irrelevant and based on a fraudulent assumption.

You could answer the question and explain why the answer doesn't apply in the case of the Second if you really had an answer.

 

[haymarket]

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"One" is within your claim.

Can there be more?

This seems to be an exceptionally difficult question for you.

When I tell you there is no magic number - anyone with a brain knows that means that one is not the number nor is two nor is three nor is four nor is sixteen nor is forty-three... and so on and so on.

What about that so befuddles and confuses you?

 

[haymarket]

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You could answer the question and explain why the answer doesn't apply in the case of the Second if you really had an answer.

Already did explain it for you - The First and Second Amendments are separate and the language of one does not apply to the other so your question is both irrelevant and based on a fraudulent assumption.

 

[RF667799]

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Already did explain it for you - The First and Second Amendments are separate and the language of one does not apply to the other so your question is both irrelevant and based on a fraudulent assumption.

Bah. That's just an unsupported claim.

 

[RF667799]

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When I tell you there is no magic number - anyone with a brain knows that means that one is not the number nor is two nor is three nor is four nor is sixteen nor is forty-three... and so on and so on.

What about that so befuddles and confuses you?

Anyone with a brain knows one is not the number? It is certainly among the possibilities according to you. Why would you try to identify yourself in that manner?

Look, you've already staked yourself to ANY model of firearm is subject to banning without being an infringement. And you have further claimed that at least one model can be banned without infringing.

Very simply now. Despite your dishonest assertions, I'm not asking for a "magic number". I'm simply asking if multiple models can be banned without infringing on the right. Surely you've thought it through to that extent.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Anyone with a brain knows one is not the number? It is certainly among the possibilities according to you. Why would you try to identify yourself in that manner?

Look, you've already staked yourself to ANY model of firearm is subject to banning without being an infringement. And you have further claimed that at least one model can be banned without infringing.

Very simply now. Despite your dishonest assertions, I'm not asking for a "magic number". I'm simply asking if multiple models can be banned without infringing on the right. Surely you've thought it through to that extent.

the second amendment is a negative restriction on the government. The government doesnt suddenly get the power to ban one type of firearm because another type of firearm that is available to the citizenry comes into existence. In other words, the second amendment, when properly read and enforced, prevents the banning of any firearm that meets the test of "arms" as envisioned by the founders. That is bearable weapons that citizens would normally own for all sorts of lawful purposes including militia use. Now the supreme court has bastardized that definition by restricting it to firearms that are both in common use (and that has to include civilian police or else the government could ban something the day it is invented and claim due to that ban, its not in common use) and is not unusually dangerous. But that restricted mutated definition still prevents the banning of something like semi auto rifles merely because citizens can own bolt action rifles. Again its negative restriction

 

[danielpalos]

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Muster the militia until crime levels drop to socially acceptable levels!

 

[AlbqOwl]

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Sounds like another NRA inspired excuse not to do anything.

Then you might want to read again because I certainly did not say that, nor has the NRA.

 

[haymarket]

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Bah. That's just an unsupported claim.

no - its how the Constitution is written. Both are separate amendments and the language of each is distinct and only applies to it. That is a fact.

 

[haymarket]

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Anyone with a brain knows one is not the number? It is certainly among the possibilities according to you. Why would you try to identify yourself in that manner?

Look, you've already staked yourself to ANY model of firearm is subject to banning without being an infringement. And you have further claimed that at least one model can be banned without infringing.

Very simply now. Despite your dishonest assertions, I'm not asking for a "magic number". I'm simply asking if multiple models can be banned without infringing on the right. Surely you've thought it through to that extent.

When previous bans were written into law, (the 1994 law is an example) multiple models were banned - so of course the answer has always been yes. Why would you even ask such settled law and history?

 

[haymarket]

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Then you might want to read again because I certainly did not say that, nor has the NRA.

Here is the part of your post which deals with mental illness and owning guns

Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
So would I. And the lady in the video didn't say people of unsound mind should have firearms. What she is saying that mental illness is far too broad a term to use for determining whether somebody is or is not of sound mind. My neighbor who takes an occasional xanax technically has a mental disorder but is absolutely of sound mind. Sound enough to know he needs that xanax or the folks who take a daily dose of lithium because of something abnormal in their brains but otherwise are no different from you or me.

So what is being of sound mind? Do you realize that a huge number of non gang or organized crime related homicides and of suicides are done by people with no record of mental illness and who have no criminal record and who would pass any basic background check?

I have no strong objection to requiring background checks for those buying weapons, but those background checks should be honest,honorable, competent, and valid and not based on somebody's political affiliation and/or some concept of political correctness or simply because somebody is getting treatment for a medical condition

And no, I am not and have never needed such treatment so I am not being personally defensive here. But I know quite a few folks who have and do who I would trust any one of them to have a firearm in my home or workplace or at the supermarket etc.

It certainly sounded like you were saying that mental illness is not a reason to bar someone from gun ownership..... and thus yet another NRA excuse not to take action.

 

[AlbqOwl]

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Here is the part of your post which deals with mental illness and owning guns



It certainly sounded like you were saying that mental illness is not a reason to bar someone from gun ownership..... and thus yet another NRA excuse not to take action.

Read it again dear. You are neither illiterate nor dumb. But if you read what I posted with intellectual honesty and still insist that I am saying mental illness is not a reason to bar someone from gun ownership, you need a remedial reading comprehension course maybe? I have full confidence that is not the case however.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

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Here is the part of your post which deals with mental illness and owning guns

It certainly sounded like you were saying that mental illness is not a reason to bar someone from gun ownership..... and thus yet another NRA excuse not to take action.

It certainly sounds like you fine with violating the 2A rights of someone with a mere anxiety issue; But then again, you're with violating EVERYONE's 2A rights.

 

[haymarket]

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Read it again dear. You are neither illiterate nor dumb. But if you read what I posted with intellectual honesty and still insist that I am saying mental illness is not a reason to bar someone from gun ownership, you need a remedial reading comprehension course maybe? I have full confidence that is not the case however.

I reproduced your comments and I believe it is far to conclude you are raising some obstacles to the idea that mental illness should preclude someone from firearms ownership.

What you are doing is what I see as part of a campaign to nitpick against any laws restricting gun ownership. Perhaps that is not your goal, but it certainly advances that goal when you try to raise doubts as your post did.

We will agree to disagree.

 

[haymarket]

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It certainly sounds like you fine with violating the 2A rights of someone with a mere anxiety issue; But then again, you're with violating EVERYONE's 2A rights.

What I said was that you have to be of sound mind to have a firearm. I think that is something that the vast vast majority of people would find no problem with.

 

[jaeger19]

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What I said was that you have to be of sound mind to have a firearm. I think that is something that the vast vast majority of people would find no problem with.

Define a "sound mind" so that I can determine exactly what that means so I can tell authorities exactly which patients shouldn;t have a firearm.

 

[haymarket]

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Define a "sound mind" so that I can determine exactly what that means so I can tell authorities exactly which patients shouldn;t have a firearm.

Sound Mind Law and Legal Definition. Sound mind is the state of mind of a person which is sufficient to reason and reach a judgment upon ordinary subjects, like other rational men.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

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"I'll give you my gun, when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!"

"What ever."

— Dennis Miller

 

[Tigerace117]

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"I'll give you my gun, when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!"

"What ever."

— Dennis Miller

The scene in the original Red Dawn when a Soviet paratrooper does exactly that comes to mind. :mrgreen:

 

[CEngelbrecht]

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The scene in the original Red Dawn when a Soviet paratrooper does exactly that comes to mind. :mrgreen:

"The store leading the fight against communism is having a blow-out sale! Ammu-Nation has a wide array of peacemakers. Come by Ammu-Nation on Militair Monday to exersize your second amendment rights and get 10% of all armor piercing bullets. We're the only one that lets you try it, before you buy it. Need anti-tank missiles? We've got 'em! Flamethrowers? Oh yeah! No credit? No problem! No money down! 90 days, same as cash. Shoot now, pay later.

During the 10 minute waiting period, fire up a few rounds at the Ammu-Nation gunrange! Featuring faces of famous commies! Come by Ammu-Nation and register to win an anti-aircraft gun, actually used, when we whooped Australia's ass! This weekend is the Ammu-Nation Film Festival, with three screenings of the documentary of Red Dawn!

Ammu-Nation: Protecting your right!"

That's supposed to be a joke, Yanks.

 

[BitterPill]

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The scene in the original Red Dawn when a Soviet paratrooper does exactly that comes to mind. :mrgreen:

That movie is a great reason to start arming our students. That way next time the Soviets want to attack an American school, we'll be ready.

#MAGA, #ArmTheKids

 

[Tigerace117]

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That movie is a great reason to start arming our students. That way next time the Soviets want to attack an American school, we'll be ready.

#MAGA, #ArmTheKids

The Reds wanted to take away America's Swayze capabilities with a preemptive strike on Colorado. We sure showed them :mrgreen: