Why Guns Should Be Confiscated[W:730]

[haymarket]

Re: Why Guns Should Be Confiscated

Just out of curiosity what part of the constitution grants the government the ability to limit what firearms a citizen can own in your opinion?

Article I, Section 8, clauses 1, 3, 15 , 16 and 18.

 

[haymarket]

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Well true you can't own a missile or a grenade.

why not - are not those arms?

 

[Chillfolks]

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Article I, Section 8, clauses 1, 3, 15 , 16 and 18.

I disagree with your assessment but thank you for answering

 

[Tigerace117]

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Do you know what ASPD is?

Antisocial personality disorder? Yes, I do. Your point being what?

 

[SirGareth]

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Psychiatrists and the legislators who write the laws using standards set by the medical community.

How many of our liberties are these "super-citizens" allowed to take. Can a psychiatrist declare one unfit to vote? Unifit to serve on a jury? unfit to speak?

I am flabbergasted at the totalitarian instincts that these leftists endorse and who also have the temerity to call the National Socialist, Hitler, "right wing?" By what standards: He would agree with your philosophy entirely beginning with the "right" (of the state) to educate your children.

 

[CLAX1911]

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why not - are not those arms?

I think it's a reasonable limit to the Liberty.

 

[CLAX1911]

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Antisocial personality disorder? Yes, I do. Your point being what?

So you think having such a diagnosis means you should be stripped of Rights regardless of whether you've been proven to not be a danger to yourself or others?

F*** due process f*** the Constitution you're not a citizen because of this diagnosis right?

 

[Tigerace117]

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So you think having such a diagnosis means you should be stripped of Rights regardless of whether you've been proven to not be a danger to yourself or others?

F*** due process f*** the Constitution you're not a citizen because of this diagnosis right?

How many mass murders have been carried out by psychos and sociopaths? One hell of a lot. And yes, having a condition where you see nothing wrong with hurting or killing others means that you should not be trusted with a lethal weapon.

Public safety comes before your “the poor sociopaths” nonsense

 

[Chillfolks]

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How many mass murders have been carried out by psychos and sociopaths? One hell of a lot. And yes, having a condition where you see nothing wrong with hurting or killing others means that you should not be trusted with a lethal weapon.

I don't think a lot of folks would argue against this. The disagreement is over how and what processes must be taken to insure a persons rights are not violated in the process.

Public safety comes before your “the poor sociopaths” nonsense

Do peoples rights come before safety or is safety the ultimate justification to deny rights?

 

[jaeger19]

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Of all of the people I have met in my life, I would judge psychiatrists among the least stable. The idea of self government is that the people judge, not the self-proclaimed experts. While it may be useful to examine which experts "pro" and which experts "con" have to say on some subject, the right to judge should always be reserved to citizens

It is disturbing to see how many leftist voices shout in praise of autocracy.

Which would you rather have making a decision that you were mentally stable?.

A licensed physician specializing in mental health disorders. Or a politician who has no expertise except what polls tell him about the peoples feelings.?

 

[jaeger19]

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As a person who has participated in writing state law during the three years I recently worked for the Michigan legislature, I can tell you that if a law defines something like "sound mind" there certainly would be consultations with psychiatrists to make sure the definition of terms in the bill was correct.

So my answer still applies.

Nope it doesn't. Especially when you have claimed that your opinion is just as valuable and important as anyone elses,, like a licensed psychiatrist.

 

[Tigerace117]

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I don't think a lot of folks would argue against this. The disagreement is over how and what processes must be taken to insure a persons rights are not violated in the process.


Do peoples rights come before safety or is safety the ultimate justification to deny rights?

The entire point of government, under the enlightenment principles of the founders, is to provide for the public safety.

 

[CLAX1911]

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How many mass murders have been carried out by psychos and sociopaths? One hell of a lot.

do you just say things without thinking about them? There isn't "one hell of a lot" of mass murders occurring in the first place. I'm willing to bet the percentages of people diagnosed aspd and the percentages of people diagnosed aspd who commit mass murder is not even a 1 to 100 ratio.

You're just too being bigoted against people who you deem as inferior. Why not just for some to wear patches on their shirt or lock them in concentration camps.

And yes, having a condition where you see nothing wrong with hurting or killing others means that you should not be trusted with a lethal weapon.

show 100% of people diagnosed as aspd see nothing wrong with killing or hurting people? Are you aware of how bigoted and Prejudiced you are being? Oh well I guess you proved not only do you like self-awareness you have no f****** clue what it is.

Whatever nonsense is rattling around in that skull of yours is absolute truth and you don't even bother to verify it.

Public safety comes before your “the poor sociopaths” nonsense

stripping rights in the name of Public Safety is a bad idea. And I'm going to fight against it at every opportunity.

I may not suffer from a mental condition but I am going to speak up for the people who dip because if I don't and their rights are taken away there will be nobody to speak for me when you nazi pigs come to take my rights away

 

[Chillfolks]

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The entire point of government, under the enlightenment principles of the founders, is to provide for the public safety.

Within the limitations the constitution places on the government.

I guess a better question is would you prefer to see a government violate it's constitutional principles or restrictions for a perceived increase in security? Or a government limited in what it can claim authority over as a safety precaution and bound by it's constitutional limitations ?

To me it's all about following due process and establishing what that process exactly is. It needs to be more than a 2 min TeleDoc phone interview but shouldn't take a decade to get done either.

 

[haymarket]

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How many of our liberties are these "super-citizens" allowed to take. Can a psychiatrist declare one unfit to vote? Unifit to serve on a jury? unfit to speak?

Possibly yes to all those you asked about.

 

[haymarket]

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I think it's a reasonable limit to the Liberty.

Glad to see you agree on society being able to place limits.

 

[Tigerace117]

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do you just say things without thinking about them? There isn't "one hell of a lot" of mass murders occurring in the first place. I'm willing to bet the percentages of people diagnosed aspd and the percentages of people diagnosed aspd who commit mass murder is not even a 1 to 100 ratio.

You're just too being bigoted against people who you deem as inferior. Why not just for some to wear patches on their shirt or lock them in concentration camps.

show 100% of people diagnosed as aspd see nothing wrong with killing or hurting people? Are you aware of how bigoted and Prejudiced you are being? Oh well I guess you proved not only do you like self-awareness you have no f****** clue what it is.

Whatever nonsense is rattling around in that skull of yours is absolute truth and you don't even bother to verify it.

stripping rights in the name of Public Safety is a bad idea. And I'm going to fight against it at every opportunity.

I may not suffer from a mental condition but I am going to speak up for the people who dip because if I don't and their rights are taken away there will be nobody to speak for me when you nazi pigs come to take my rights away

You throwing a hissy fit because sociopaths and psychopaths can’t easily acces lethal weapons easily says a lot. Even one mass shooting is a lot, much less the number Americans routinely have. And yes, there are quite a few psychopaths and sociopaths who commit murder even when it’s not mass murder.

Oh look, you just Godwinned yourself—-over sociopaths.

Oh look, more shrieking and whining with you—-over sociopaths.

Yes, I get that you are obsessed with your paranoid fantasies that not letting psychopaths and sociopaths have firearms is some sort of tyranny.

Oh look, you’ve humiliated yourself—-again.

 

[haymarket]

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Nope it doesn't. Especially when you have claimed that your opinion is just as valuable and important as anyone elses,, like a licensed psychiatrist.

Where did I claim my opinion on diagnosing mental illness was as good as a psychiatrist?

 

[AlbqOwl]

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I reproduced your comments and I believe it is far to conclude you are raising some obstacles to the idea that mental illness should preclude someone from firearms ownership.

What you are doing is what I see as part of a campaign to nitpick against any laws restricting gun ownership. Perhaps that is not your goal, but it certainly advances that goal when you try to raise doubts as your post did.

We will agree to disagree.

Sorry but I will agree to disagree when there is unresolved disagreement. I won't agree to disagree on something you say that I said when I never said, implied, thought, or meant anything of the sort. I will continue to object to being mischaracterized and resent anybody's backhanded attempt to say I said something I didn't say.

 

[jaeger19]

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Where did I claim my opinion on diagnosing mental illness was as good as a psychiatrist?

When you claimed that your opinion was just as valuable as anyone elses regardless of their expertise or knowledge. You can't have forgotten that quickly.. have you. you know.. you made that nice anecdote about your political science professor stating that your education made your opinion just as valuable as a waitress when it came to politics?

Your whole point was that expertise did not matter when it came to the value of someones opinion.

Surely you can't have forgotten that quickly? Perhaps we should examine that "sound mind" thing a little more thoroughly?

 

[jaeger19]

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Glad to see you agree on society being able to place limits.

When has the NRA ever said that there should be no limits on who can purchase or own firearms?

 

[CLAX1911]

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You throwing a hissy fit because sociopaths and psychopaths can’t easily acces lethal weapons easily says a lot.

stupid mischaracterizations aside no I'm saying people should not be stripped of their Liberty without due process of law.

If that's what throwing a hissy fit is I guess the people who wrote the Constitution were throwing Hissy Fits too

Even one mass shooting is a lot, much less the number Americans routinely have. And yes, there are quite a few psychopaths and sociopaths who commit murder even when it’s not mass murder.

well there are a lot of black people that do to you should we ban black people from having guns? Make them second-class citizens? That seems to follow your logic.

 

[CLAX1911]

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Glad to see you agree on society being able to place limits.

So the limit to being large mechanized platforms and explosives. Not guns of any type or caliber.

So I don't think we agree.

 

[blackjack50]

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When has the NRA ever said that there should be no limits on who can purchase or own firearms?

Very good post. Especially in the climate of “ban this and that and everything else.”

 

[haymarket]

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Sorry but I will agree to disagree when there is unresolved disagreement. I won't agree to disagree on something you say that I said when I never said, implied, thought, or meant anything of the sort. I will continue to object to being mischaracterized and resent anybody's backhanded attempt to say I said something I didn't say.

But you said enough to warrant my conclusion about what you said.