Why Fewer Americans Will Buy Pizza Tonight.....

[Bob N]

I guess you missed the 'low income' portion of that post...... as in adults.

Thank you for clarifying adults, but I'm sure that the crops still won't pay for all the bills that come in the mail.

 

[clownboy]

Dammit, now I want pizza tonight. Thanks folks. :mrgreen:

 

[polgara]

Actually, that's what people like me do, on our own time, which costs the taxpayer nothing, volunteer our time and our own money, to purchase seeds and supplies to show low income and school children how to grow their own, and teach them the nutritional value of such.

Walmart has nothing to do with it. If a person wants to raise themselves above where they are at, no one can truly keep them down.

Good afternoon, Gottago.

And I am an unpaid volunteer teaching their moms how to can and dry what they grow, so they have food on the shelves for future use. They have apparently stopped teaching this in the schools, and they just don't know how. They're so happy to learn that it makes my teaching enjoyable! And the classes are getting larger all the time!

 

[GottaGo]

Thank you for clarifying adults, but I'm sure that the crops still won't pay for all the bills that come in the mail.

Eating healthier can help reduce those bills, growing your own can help reduce those bills.

Try again.

 

[MMC]

Dammit, now I want pizza tonight. Thanks folks. :mrgreen:

I went with the Sicilian Deep Dish and a large Thin Crust Pepperoni and Sausage.....figured it was the least I can do for my country. Plus I will give the delivery man a good tip.....Don't vote for the Democrat.

 

[Salty]

Our local store has pizza for 5 bucks and it's pretty good. The mark up on pizza is comparable to furniture. cheap to make and expensive to buy. Also you think you're getting a deal when you're not. But yeah disposable income has almost been disposed of. :mrgreen:

Americans typically have chowed down on 46 slices of pizza a year in recent years—as a country, that's a combined 100 acres of pizza a day—but those figures might be a bit lower these days given our lack of disposable income and a decline in median account balances.

A look at recent economic trends and census data shows that the effects of the recession remain present in some very real ways.

And while recent employment figures suggest news on the jobs front is improving, the long-term outlook appears likely to be bleak enough to keep some potential consumers from snagging a slice after they check their bottom line.

Why Fewer Americans Will Buy Pizza Tonight - NationalJournal.com

They also have a chart on Checking by Race from the Census Bureau. Seems thing are bad enough to even prevent people from getting Pizza. Thoughts?

 

[upsideguy]

Americans typically have chowed down on 46 slices of pizza a year in recent years—as a country, that's a combined 100 acres of pizza a day—but those figures might be a bit lower these days given our lack of disposable income and a decline in median account balances.

Not at all surprising as our current tax policies favor business owners taking money out of their businesses in the form of salary and bonuses rather than re-investing, including hiring new employees. As the highest marginal rates have dropped the incomes and wealth of middle and lower classes has correspondingly dropped.

 

[Salty]

Not at all surprising as our current tax policies favor business owners taking money out of their businesses in the form of salary and bonuses rather than re-investing, including hiring new employees. As the highest marginal rates have dropped the incomes and wealth of middle and lower classes has correspondingly dropped.View attachment 67144920

Pretty much nails it. I remember when lower level managers got a piece of the pie but that's gone with the wind. And those who do receive bonuses or incentives get a pittance to what they once earned.

 

[sangha]

Eating healthier can help reduce those bills, growing your own can help reduce those bills.

Try again.

Yes, it's about time the inner-city poor made use of all that vacant farmland

 

[Salty]

search the net; there are a lot of innovative ways to plan a garden with not much space. You can even grow celery from the bottom of the stalk you bought at the grocers. Grow it in a flower pot.

Yes, it's about time the inner-city poor made use of all that vacant farmland

 

[sangha]

search the net; there are a lot of innovative ways to plan a garden with not much space. You can even grow celery from the bottom of the stalk you bought at the grocers. Grow it in a flower pot.

I know I grow vegetables. A lot of vegetables

Still, even if implemented as extensively as possible, it would only make a marginal difference and only for a small minority of poor people.

 

[MMC]

Yes, it's about time the inner-city poor made use of all that vacant farmland

Well besides the roof top gardens.....the Inner city people are making use of Vacant Lots.

What Is Inner City Permaculture?

Permaculture is planting natural foods in land that is maintained without chemicals and machines, animals grazing that land naturally and cycling natural resources back into earth to create sustainable environments. In other words, life like our ancestors used to live. Everything old is new again

Developing Urban Permacultures

When thinking of starting permacultures in urban areas, the challenge is how to manage the fact that urban areas are generally made of concrete. There are incredible solutions available in order to meet those challenges. Communities have managed to build greenhouses and gardens from vacant lots. Even small backyards can be used to plant vegetables. Neighbors can each plant one or two kinds of vegetables, herbs or fruit so that the community has a variety to share and market. Backyards have been combined into one, resulting not just in growth of a garden, but growth of the collaboration of living as a contributing part in the community. Water catchment systems have been designed on rooftops so that the water can be used in the gardens. It is truly building bridges, not just on an ecological level, but also on a social level.

The community gardens can benefit in many different ways. It often is the only way the senior citizens in the community can purchase fresh vegetables and fruits at a reduced cost. The opportunity to teach parents how to purchase and prepare fresh foods for their families is invaluable. The gardens can teach children the importance of eating healthy foods grown from the earth.

Think renters can't get in on the urban permaculture? There are mini-gardens that can hang over a balcony. Many apartment renters are planting herbs that compliment larger sustainable gardens. It supports the goal of eating healthy foods without a lot of additives. There are even solar panels for apartments that help conserve energy. Everyone can contribute.


Article Source: What Is Inner City Permaculture?

 

[Salty]

We should all encourage our neighbors to grow a "help myself" garden like the "victory" gardens of WWII or if that's not possible join a co-op.

I know I grow vegetables. A lot of vegetables

Still, even if implemented as extensively as possible, it would only make a marginal difference and only for a small minority of poor people.

 

[sangha]

Well besides the roof top gardens.....the Inner city people are making use of Vacant Lots.

What Is Inner City Permaculture?

Permaculture is planting natural foods in land that is maintained without chemicals and machines, animals grazing that land naturally and cycling natural resources back into earth to create sustainable environments. In other words, life like our ancestors used to live. Everything old is new again

Developing Urban Permacultures

When thinking of starting permacultures in urban areas, the challenge is how to manage the fact that urban areas are generally made of concrete. There are incredible solutions available in order to meet those challenges. Communities have managed to build greenhouses and gardens from vacant lots. Even small backyards can be used to plant vegetables. Neighbors can each plant one or two kinds of vegetables, herbs or fruit so that the community has a variety to share and market. Backyards have been combined into one, resulting not just in growth of a garden, but growth of the collaboration of living as a contributing part in the community. Water catchment systems have been designed on rooftops so that the water can be used in the gardens. It is truly building bridges, not just on an ecological level, but also on a social level.

The community gardens can benefit in many different ways. It often is the only way the senior citizens in the community can purchase fresh vegetables and fruits at a reduced cost. The opportunity to teach parents how to purchase and prepare fresh foods for their families is invaluable. The gardens can teach children the importance of eating healthy foods grown from the earth.

Think renters can't get in on the urban permaculture? There are mini-gardens that can hang over a balcony. Many apartment renters are planting herbs that compliment larger sustainable gardens. It supports the goal of eating healthy foods without a lot of additives. There are even solar panels for apartments that help conserve energy. Everyone can contribute.


Article Source: What Is Inner City Permaculture?

Urban permacultures are for yuppie high-rises, not the roofs of inner city tenements.

Thinking that the poor are going to raise veggies on their roof shows how little you know about inner cities.

 

[GottaGo]

Yes, it's about time the inner-city poor made use of all that vacant farmland

So you've never heard of container gardening.....:roll:

 

[MMC]

Urban permacultures are for yuppie high-rises, not the roofs of inner city tenements.

Thinking that the poor are going to raise veggies on their roof shows how little you know about inner cities.

Well one thing is for certain.....I know way more than you about Inner City living. Although, you would be surprised what poverty can bring out in people.

 

[GottaGo]

I know I grow vegetables. A lot of vegetables

Still, even if implemented as extensively as possible, it would only make a marginal difference and only for a small minority of poor people.

So don't do it at all. Don't worry about people learning about nutrition, growing their own even if current circumstances don't permit it. What the heck, if knowledge doesn't pay the immediate bills, then just ignore it.

Uh huh. :sarcasm included:

 

[sangha]

So you've never heard of container gardening.....:roll:

:lamo

If you think poor people in the inner city can grow enough food in containers to make a large difference, then you don't know much about gardening, or the inner city poor

 

[sangha]

Well one thing is for certain.....I know way more than you about Inner City living. Although, you would be surprised what poverty can bring out in people.

Well, if an anonymous poster on the internet says so, it must be true!! :roll:

 

[sangha]

So don't do it at all. Don't worry about people learning about nutrition, growing their own even if current circumstances don't permit it. What the heck, if knowledge doesn't pay the immediate bills, then just ignore it.

Uh huh. :sarcasm included:

I can see you're getting frustrated by your inability to refute my point that such measures would have no more than a marginal effect because now you're posting childish pouts like "So don't do it all" and other absurd strawmen

 

[MMC]

Well, if an anonymous poster on the internet says so, it must be true!! :roll:

Kinda like whats always coming outta your mouth, validates my point.....huh? :roll:

 

[GottaGo]

Urban permacultures are for yuppie high-rises, not the roofs of inner city tenements.

Thinking that the poor are going to raise veggies on their roof shows how little you know about inner cities.

So what's the point of teaching them anything about helping themselves? Or teaching them anything at all?

How very sad that you see people like that....

 

[sangha]

So what's the point of teaching them anything about helping themselves? Or teaching them anything at all?

How very sad that you see people like that....

Since you seem so unclear on the concept, I'll spell it out for you step by step

Saying that such measures would not have more than a marginal impact is not the same thing as saying they shouldnt be done at all.

I hope the explanation dispelled your sense of poutrage

 

[GottaGo]

:lamo

If you think poor people in the inner city can grow enough food in containers to make a large difference, then you don't know much about gardening, or the inner city poor

Number one, I didn't say a large difference.
Number two the knowledge in the right hands carries forward to the future.... knowledge on how to grow it, and the nutritional value of it.

So lets keep them dumb and stupid, eh? Nice line of thinking.......

 

[GottaGo]

Since you seem so unclear on the concept, I'll spell it out for you step by step

Saying that such measures would not have more than a marginal impact is not the same thing as saying they shouldnt be done at all.

I hope the explanation dispelled your sense of poutrage

It's interesting to see that you have taken the point, twisted it about, and say I have a sense of poutrage.

It is exactly what you have said: Why bother if it doesn't have a large impact.

I don't do rage, Sunshine. Learn your mark.