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Why does the term teabagger bother people so much?

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Ok. This is an effort to have a serious conversation and not have the thread degrade into petty bickering. (I have my doubts it will happen though).

Conservatives & Libertarians. Why does this word bother you guys so much?
 
Ok. This is an effort to have a serious conversation and not have the thread degrade into petty bickering. (I have my doubts it will happen though).

Conservatives & Libertarians. Why does this word bother you guys so much?

It doesn't bother me but I tend not to associate with populist movements.
 
Ok. This is an effort to have a serious conversation and not have the thread degrade into petty bickering. (I have my doubts it will happen though).

Conservatives & Libertarians. Why does this word bother you guys so much?

If the users were more niggardly with it's use, perhaps it would be tolerable.
 
Ok. This is an effort to have a serious conversation and not have the thread degrade into petty bickering. (I have my doubts it will happen though).

Conservatives & Libertarians. Why does this word bother you guys so much?


It's slang meaning involves a sexual act, and it was applied to the Tea Party attendees as a deliberate denigration. So WTF do you expect them to do, embrace a term intended to be insulting?

If you're going to chide Tea Party affiliates or sympathizers for being bothered by Teabaggers, then you need to chide blacks for disliking the word nigger, hispanics for disliking the term "wetbacks", and gays for not wanting to be called fudge-packers.
 
It's slang meaning involves a sexual act, and it was applied to the Tea Party attendees as a deliberate denigration. So WTF do you expect them to do, embrace a term intended to be insulting?

That's exactly what I would do and recommend. And incidentally, that's also what Andrew Jackson did when he was called a Jackass, and that's why the jackass/donkey is now the symbol of the Democratic party.

If you take offense when it is offered, you empower those who have offered it.

I feel exactly the same way regarding all insults, including those you mentioned.

Is it a negative thing to try and denigrate others by belittling them and calling them names? Absolutely. They are absolutely wrong to do this.

But we can't control the thoughts and behaviors of others. We can only control our own thoughts and behaviors. that means we can choose to not be offended, and we can choose not to sink to that level.

Words only cease to be offensive when people refuse to be offended by them.
 
That's exactly what I would do and recommend. And incidentally, that's also what Andrew Jackson did when he was called a Jackass, and that's why the jackass/donkey is now the symbol of the Democratic party.

If you take offense when it is offered, you empower those who have offered it.

I feel exactly the same way regarding all insults, including those you mentioned.

Is it a negative thing to try and denigrate others by belittling them and calling them names? Absolutely. They are absolutely wrong to do this.

But we can't control the thoughts and behaviors of others. We can only control our own thoughts and behaviors. that means we can choose to not be offended, and we can choose not to sink to that level.

Words only cease to be offensive when people refuse to be offended by them.

It actually seems quite popular to take ownership of terms meant to be inflammatory. Many black people call each other nigger affectionately for example, and many homosexuals have done the same with the term fag. It's a highly effective defense against inflammatory language, as it not only trivializes the impact of such insults, but every time they use it themselves, they throw the failed attempt in the aggressors faces.

Sun Tzu would approve.
 
It actually seems quite popular to take ownership of terms meant to be inflammatory. Many black people call each other nigger affectionately for example, and many homosexuals have done the same with the term fag. It's a highly effective defense against inflammatory language, as it not only trivializes the impact of such insults, but every time they use it themselves, they throw the failed attempt in the aggressors faces.

Sun Tzu would approve.

Um, yeah. Assuming you're white, take a walk down in the Hood and throw the N-word around casually for a while. Let me know if any black folks take offense. Assuming you're still able to speak or type afterward...

Stand on a street corner in 'Frisco, outside a gay bar, around midnight, holding a sign that says God Hates Fags. Let's see if someone takes offense.

My point being, well its sort of like this: if my brother in law calls me a redneck, I laugh at him; we're both southerners and country folks, so it's just an inside joke. If some Yamdankee calls me a redneck in a disparaging manner, he may go back north missing some teeth.

See my point?
 
If some Yamdankee calls me a redneck in a disparaging manner, he may go back north missing some teeth.

See my point?

Why would you bother taking the offense offered by the "yamdankee"?

What is in it for you that you would benefit from accepting the offered insult?
 
Why would you bother taking the offense offered by the "yamdankee"?

What is in it for you that you would benefit from accepting the offered insult?


Sounds to me like selective anger. Either being called a name offends you or it doesn't but don't tell me one person can say it and you laugh and another say it and it pisses you off or all you are is a hypocrit using a word to justify your anger and hatred towards a group of people you otherwise wouldn't have a valid reason to hate other than your own personal prejudices which are the root cause of being offended in the first place.
 
Sounds to me like selective anger. Either being called a name offends you or it doesn't but don't tell me one person can say it and you laugh and another say it and it pisses you off or all you are is a hypocrit using a word to justify your anger and hatred towards a group of people you otherwise wouldn't have a valid reason to hate other than your own personal prejudices which are the root cause of being offended in the first place.

Are you using the general "you" or the specific "you" (meaning me)? :confused:
 
Why do we have so many threads on this?
 
It's slang meaning involves a sexual act, and it was applied to the Tea Party attendees as a deliberate denigration..

Only after they named themselves that btw.
 
Are you using the general "you" or the specific "you" (meaning me)? :confused:



The occasional period or comma would have been nice, too. I felt out of breath after reading that.

Look here, Don'tWorry, and let me explain the freaking obvious: your BUDDY can joke with you in a manner that nobody else can, because you know each other and you know he doesn't mean anything personal by it. A STRANGER who says the exact same thing to you in a manner indicating INTENT TO INSULT is an entirely different thing.

He doesn't know you; he hasn't "Earned" the right to speak to you in a questionable manner and get away with it; he hasn't earned the benefit-of-the-doubt.
Secondly his manner shows an obvious intent to insult, defame, denigrate, and to cause you to be lowered in the eyes of others.

Where I'm from we don't put up with that sort of behavior very well at all.


It's why one black man can call his buddy "nigga" and they just laugh about it. There are shared experiences and so on.

Damn, I should not have to be explaining the freaking obvious here.
 
Why would you bother taking the offense offered by the "yamdankee"?

What is in it for you that you would benefit from accepting the offered insult?


Tucker, you know the answer to this.

Let's say we're in a group of people. Some of these people are friends of mine; some are acquaintances; some are strangers. Let's say I have my reasons for wanting to be thought well of by these folks.

If I let some loud-mouth call me names based on sexual slang with obvious intent to insult, denigrate, demean and to lower me in the eyes of others, and I just stand there and take it... you might as well tattoo "door mat - please walk on me" on my forehead and be done with it. Especially if he does it every day of the week for months...

How well would your wife take it if you decided her name was "bitch"? If you proceeded to call her "bitch" instead of her name in front of her friends, her co-workers, her boss, and her family?

If she meekly accepted this denigration, and allowed her new name to be "bitch", how would others view her acquiencence? Do you not think many would lose respect for her, for putting up with being disrespected in public that way? Especially on an ongoing, constant, daily basis?

Is any of this gettin' through?
 
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Um, yeah. Assuming you're white, take a walk down in the Hood and throw the N-word around casually for a while. Let me know if any black folks take offense. Assuming you're still able to speak or type afterward...

Stand on a street corner in 'Frisco, outside a gay bar, around midnight, holding a sign that says God Hates Fags. Let's see if someone takes offense.

My point being, well its sort of like this: if my brother in law calls me a redneck, I laugh at him; we're both southerners and country folks, so it's just an inside joke. If some Yamdankee calls me a redneck in a disparaging manner, he may go back north missing some teeth.

See my point?

The point is in the intent, which puts the meaning behind the word

If someone from the Tea party movement uses the word Teabaggers as a short hand, and far easier term to use then Tea Partier as a method to identify the group their is no problem. Or if other use the term with the same non offensive intent it is not a problem

And as you say, if your brother in law calls you a redneck you dont take offense, as no offense was meant, if a Yamdankee as you put it used the term without the intent to offense (ie You might be a redneck tv show) then it should not be a problem either. But if the term was used with the intent to offend then yes, being upset is perfectly normal

So regarding the Tea Party, Teabagger the reader should try to determine whether the intent was to offend or not, I would expect that given the nature of the the term (both offensive version and non offensive version it should not be to hard)
 
The only reason I know that people make fun of the name is because prior to its application to the political movement, "teabagging" was used exclusively to describe an extremely graphic sexual manuever. Although some may think the term inappropriate for that reason, for a populist movement, what meme resides more in the populist realm (besides religion), than porn?
 
that's mighty white of you there vic

What? Using grammatically correct words is white?

:confused:

Oh, don't tell me you're one of those idiots that doesn't know either the origin or the meaning of the word niggardly.

Goodgrief, I'm so sick of PC bull**** I could spit.
 
What? Using grammatically correct words is white?

:confused:

Oh, don't tell me you're one of those idiots that doesn't know either the origin or the meaning of the word niggardly.

Goodgrief, I'm so sick of PC bull**** I could spit.

Or maybe it was just a joke. I know you're eager to find an idiot who doesn't know what the word means on this thread, but don't jump too soon. Be a niggard with your criticism.
 
Or maybe it was just a joke. I know you're eager to find an idiot who doesn't know what the word means on this thread, but don't jump too soon. Be a niggard with your criticism.

Quick to defend justabubba, I smell love in the air.
 
Tucker, you know the answer to this.

Let's say we're in a group of people. Some of these people are friends of mine; some are acquaintances; some are strangers. Let's say I have my reasons for wanting to be thought well of by these folks.

If I let some loud-mouth call me names based on sexual slang with obvious intent to insult, denigrate, demean and to lower me in the eyes of others, and I just stand there and take it... you might as well tattoo "door mat - please walk on me" on my forehead and be done with it. Especially if he does it every day of the week for months...

How well would your wife take it if you decided her name was "bitch"? If you proceeded to call her "bitch" instead of her name in front of her friends, her co-workers, her boss, and her family?

If she meekly accepted this denigration, and allowed her new name to be "bitch", how would others view her acquiencence? Do you not think many would lose respect for her, for putting up with being disrespected in public that way? Especially on an ongoing, constant, daily basis?

Is any of this gettin' through?

It's getting through, Goshin.

But it's missing my point.

Meekly accepting the offered insult is even worse than aggressively returning the insult. In both cases, you are taking the offense that was offered. In one, you are retaliating, in the other, you are allowing yourself to be walked on. One is an aggressive response, one is a passive response.

What I'm talking about is something entirely different. I'm talking about making any response and assertive response, but without accepting the offered insult (i.e. not being insulted by it).

To give some background, it took me a long time to learn to control/contain my own aggressive tendencies in these types of situations. I started thinking about what the motivations of the person offering the offense to me really were and I realized that they wanted to make the barb cause me some negative emotional reaction. They wanted it to harm me in some way. If I allowed it to do so, I was granting them a small victory, even if it ultimately led to dental work for them.

What I learned was that if I instead removed the insulting nature of their barbs, and turned things around so that they realized very clearly that I was not at all bothered by their assessments/statements, I could maintain the position of authority. I was entirely in control of the situation.

Something many people do not realize about the use of use of humor is that it is actually employed quite often as a dominance strategy, especially among males. It can be used as such in two different ways: Aggressively or assertively. There is no such thing as a the passive use of humor as a dominance strategy.

Things like calling someone a "tea bagger" will qualify as the aggressive version of this type of dominance behavior. Aggressive humor is used to belittle others. It succeeds whenever the target is belittled by the use of the term. This belittling is a perceived threat by the target, and as such, it will trigger a a threat response in the target: fight or flight. Or, in other words, aggressive or passive reactions.

It does not matter which of these reactions the target of this dominance gambit employs, the target will always be in the submissive position if they employ either reaction. This means that the person who employed the dominance gambit has achieved their goal.

Instead, of allowing them to achieve their goals, I would recommend choosing a different strategy altogether. Instead of reacting in the fight or flight fashion, I am suggesting using assertive responses in order to deflect the attempted "assault" using a form of intellectual "judo".

Often this can take the form of assertive humor. A perfect example of this is Andrew Jackson adopting the Jackass as a campaign symbol.

By taking this reaction, he caused the dominance gambit to fail, and maintained the dominant position throughout. He was neither aggressive (fight) nor passive (flight) in his response. He flipped the attempted assaults towards him to his advantage.

There are many ways to use assertive responses to maintain dominance. And I'll tell you from personal experience, they are amazingly effective. And even more importantly, since the intended goal of the opponent is to lower you in the eyes of others, these strategies will actually RAISE the esteem others have for you even more than any aggressive, retaliatory response could and your opponent will always be lowered in the eyes of others.

This happens because, by not reacting in one of the two expected fashions, you give the appearance that the person is so far beneath you that an extreme reaction isn't warranted. Your reactions are similar in nature to those you would have with a small child who behaves badly in your presence. The opponents actions will then be perceived as "childlike" by observers, and thus, the submissive participant of the exchange.

You won't be perceived as a doormat. Quite the opposite, in fact. You'll be perceived by others as unflappable, and completely in control of any situation. You'll be seen as a leader.

This happens because, in order to employ the strategy correctly, you actually do need to become somewhat unflappable, and you need to be completely in control of the situation.

And they pretty much have to be these things in order to employ the strategy in the first place.

If one couples this type of strategy for "defending" against personal assaults/affronts/offenses, along with an aggressive strategy for defending against assaults/affronts/offenses aimed at others, the perception that others have about their dominance and leadership qualities will be heightened even more.


And even if one tries to employ this strategy consistently, there will be situations and times when they fail to do so. The benefit of employing this strategy is that those times will be seen by others as fully justified in almost every instance (even when they may not be justified) because they are seemingly able to maintain control and dominance all the time. This means that even in instances when they lose control of themselves, it appears to be a controlled and calculated move.

And sometimes it may even be a controlled and calculated move. Often when one employs this strategy as a rule, they will encounter situations where the assertive approach will not work, and they will thus choose an aggressive strategy. Because they usually choose to employ the assertive strategy, people will naturally assume that they have chosen the aggressive strategy in this instance instead of it simply being their fight or flight instincts taking over.
 
Quick to defend justabubba, I smell love in the air.

My defense wasn't really a defense, it was just a suggestion. And it has nothing to do with who posted. I know nothing about justabubba. I didn't even notice who you were responding to, and didn't care.
 
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