Why do the religious have more rights than those who aren't?

[independentusa]

The latest court decision gave the religious the right to discriminate against gay people. Anyone else who would have said no to the gays for services would be up against the legal system, but the SCOTUS says that the religious have that extra right to say no. They can say it is free speech, but in the end, the religious have more rights than the rest of us. Even churches have more rights when they do not pay taxes on their property while the rest of us in states that have property taxes do. Another "extra" right given by the courts to the religious. When you see the mega churches with their ministers having million dollar homes and more than one plane to fly them around, you have to wonder where these extra rights come from. It certainly isn't the constitution, as although the government is not allowed to name a state religion, is there language that gives these extra rights to the religious? It says that the government cannot limit the free exercise of religion, but it does not say that a person can use their religion to gain extra rights not given to all Americans. Yet this far right wig court will continue to add additional rights to those who use their religion to discriminate. This case was onl the first of many to follow.And it will not just be limited to gays, but will include any group not white and Christian.

 

[Isidore]

What is "religion" under Title VII?​

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects all aspects of religious observance and practice as well as belief and defines religion very broadly for purposes of determining what the law covers. For purposes of Title VII, religion includes not only traditional, organized religions, such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, but also religious beliefs that are new, uncommon, not part of a formal church or sect, only subscribed to by a small number of people, or that seem illogical or unreasonable to others. An employee’s belief or practice can be “religious” under Title VII even if the employee is affiliated with a religious group that does not espouse or recognize that individual’s belief or practice, or if few – or no – other people adhere to it. Title VII’s protections also extend to those who are discriminated against or need accommodation because they profess no religious beliefs.

Religious beliefs include theistic beliefs (i.e. those that include a belief in God) as well as non-theistic “moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views.” Although courts generally resolve doubts about particular beliefs in favor of finding that they are religious, beliefs are not protected merely because they are strongly held. Rather, religion typically concerns “ultimate ideas” about “life, purpose, and death.” Social, political, or economic philosophies, as well as mere personal preferences, are not “religious” beliefs protected by Title VII.

Religious observances or practices include, for example, attending worship services, praying, wearing religious garb or symbols, displaying religious objects, adhering to certain dietary rules, proselytizing or other forms of religious expression, or refraining from certain activities. Whether a practice is religious depends on the employee’s motivation. The same practice might be engaged in by one person for religious reasons and by another person for purely secular reasons (e.g., dietary restrictions, tattoos, etc.).

https://www.cbp.gov/faqs/what-religion-under-title-vii#page-title

I foresee a growth in small religions that will legally allow for the preferred actions of their adherents.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Because they're Christian Nationals and they protect the flock. We should get used to this new America.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

(Be sure to use a really thick phony Southern Church Lady accent when reading this)

"My deeply held religious beliefs forbid me from designing
your wedding invitations because I believe that
disabled women are forbidden to marry by Christ Jesus."

 

[Craig234]

A theoretical answer is that they don't; it's a bit like asking why someone who wants to own a gun has more rights than someone who doesn't, when it's simply one person exercising the right.

I think a more relevant, accurate answer, is that it's because religious rights are being used politically to create the legal rights for discrimination that are otherwise not allowed.

 

[Deuce]

My religion says Christians shouldn't be on airplanes. They believe they are going somewhere better if they die, so they are not invested in the successful outcome of the flight.

 

[Indlib]

I foresee a growth in small religions that will legally allow for the preferred actions of their adherents.

I was thinking the same thing.

Someone could create a small religion that believes their gay members could only buy wedding cakes from Christian bakeries.

What would SCOTUS do then?

 

[Craig234]

What would SCOTUS do then?

What do you think they'd do? They'd rule the seller's rights win. But it is worth investigating ideas for how to use these rulings. They're pretty clearly subject to 'unintended consequences', much like 'gun rights' led to them when the Black Panthers showed up at the CA Capitol with guns. Problem is we don't have armies of lawyers to come up with plans like they do.

 

[Ginger Ale]

I was thinking the same thing.

Someone could create a small religion that believes their gay members could only buy wedding cakes from Christian bakeries.

What would SCOTUS do then?

Only the fact is it's only the Evangelical Christians the court and states favor. Can you imagine if the court handed the right to a blood transfusion to the states, and some JW government employees made it illegal to get one? Yeah, either can I.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Why do the religious have more rights than those who aren't?​

Because we have a court and government run by rightwing extremist religious nutters who want to rule the country by their book of fairy tales.

They only want freedoms and rights in America for STRAIGHT WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES, they are hateful and intolerant of women, people of color, LGBTQ, non-christians, etc.

We have corruption in churches and ministries, and child raping pedophiles in backrooms of churches......but that's okay with the rightwing extremist religious nutters because they are all greedy selfish bastards who lust for control and a white america.

.

 

[element94]

The latest court decision gave the religious the right to discriminate against gay people. Anyone else who would have said no to the gays for services would be up against the legal system, but the SCOTUS says that the religious have that extra right to say no. They can say it is free speech, but in the end, the religious have more rights than the rest of us. Even churches have more rights when they do not pay taxes on their property while the rest of us in states that have property taxes do. Another "extra" right given by the courts to the religious. When you see the mega churches with their ministers having million dollar homes and more than one plane to fly them around, you have to wonder where these extra rights come from. It certainly isn't the constitution, as although the government is not allowed to name a state religion, is there language that gives these extra rights to the religious? It says that the government cannot limit the free exercise of religion, but it does not say that a person can use their religion to gain extra rights not given to all Americans. Yet this far right wig court will continue to add additional rights to those who use their religion to discriminate. This case was onl the first of many to follow.And it will not just be limited to gays, but will include any group not white and Christian.

Religion is just another money making scam being used by the right, as usual. They are also using it for quasi-religious influenced hypocritical court decisions. Pa-raise Jesus!

 

[VanceMack]

Its a little bit funny watching the advocates of preferential hiring, housing, and education treatment based on race then pee themselves over religious people also being given consideration.

 

[independentusa]

Its a little bit funny watching the advocates of preferential hiring, housing, and education treatment based on race then pee themselves over religious people also being given consideration.

Again, you have it wrong. Not preferential treatment, equal treatment. Ask Trump who was sued for refusing to allow black people in his buildings and had to pay a fine. Before the laws that required equal treatment, a better educated and trained black would be overlooked in most businesses for a less educated and trained white, unless it was for a janitor's position. I know as I lived through it in both the South and the North.

 

[Fearandloathing]

The latest court decision gave the religious the right to discriminate against gay people. Anyone else who would have said no to the gays for services would be up against the legal system, but the SCOTUS says that the religious have that extra right to say no. They can say it is free speech, but in the end, the religious have more rights than the rest of us. Even churches have more rights when they do not pay taxes on their property while the rest of us in states that have property taxes do. Another "extra" right given by the courts to the religious. When you see the mega churches with their ministers having million dollar homes and more than one plane to fly them around, you have to wonder where these extra rights come from. It certainly isn't the constitution, as although the government is not allowed to name a state religion, is there language that gives these extra rights to the religious? It says that the government cannot limit the free exercise of religion, but it does not say that a person can use their religion to gain extra rights not given to all Americans. Yet this far right wig court will continue to add additional rights to those who use their religion to discriminate. This case was onl the first of many to follow.And it will not just be limited to gays, but will include any group not white and Christian.

You live in a Christian country, founded by Christians for Christians with the promise that Christians could practice their brand of Christianity 'freely', if we ignore that little thing with witch burning and so forth.

A prayer, to a Christian god begins every session of congress. The president is sworn in with the bible, a book no one knows who wrote. "In God We Trust" is everywhere. Crucifixes, a symbol of intense torture are depicted everywhere and fill man city's skylines.

You ARE a Christian nation which sometimes tolerates other faiths.

 

[VanceMack]

Again, you have it wrong. Not preferential treatment, equal treatment. Ask Trump who was sued for refusing to allow black people in his buildings and had to pay a fine. Before the laws that required equal treatment, a better educated and trained black would be overlooked in most businesses for a less educated and trained white, unless it was for a janitor's position. I know as I lived through it in both the South and the North.

"The lawsuit cites a 2009 study by Princeton sociologists that concluded that while the average Asian American applicant needed a much higher 1460 SAT score to be admitted, a white student with similar GPA and other qualifications only needed a score of 1320, while blacks needed 1010 and Hispanics 1190."

Rejected Asian students sue Harvard over admissions that favor other minorities

Harvard University's affirmative action policies, which the school says are aimed at achieving diversity on the vaunted campus of Cambridge, discriminate against Asians who often can't get in despite having higher test scores and grade-point averages than black and Hispanic students who are...

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Establishment of quotas, admission, and hiring based on race has literally **** all to do with equality.

 

[independentusa]

"The lawsuit cites a 2009 study by Princeton sociologists that concluded that while the average Asian American applicant needed a much higher 1460 SAT score to be admitted, a white student with similar GPA and other qualifications only needed a score of 1320, while blacks needed 1010 and Hispanics 1190."

Rejected Asian students sue Harvard over admissions that favor other minorities

Harvard University's affirmative action policies, which the school says are aimed at achieving diversity on the vaunted campus of Cambridge, discriminate against Asians who often can't get in despite having higher test scores and grade-point averages than black and Hispanic students who are...

www.foxnews.com

Establishment of quotas, admission, and hiring based on race has literally **** all to do with equality.

You do realize that many schools no longer even look at SAT scores. Those tests are race biased and that is the reason for schools not really looking at them.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Because they're Christian Nationals and they protect the flock. We should get used to this new America.

Or not.

 

[VanceMack]

You do realize that many schools no longer even look at SAT scores. Those tests are race biased and that is the reason for schools not really looking at them.

Hell...MOST schools take in everyone regardless of their qualifications and put them in non credit courses for 1-2 years just to soak up that federal student loan money.

Thats not who we are talking about. I think you know that.