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Why do Anti-abortion advocates ignore statistics.

Admit what? Your emotionalism aside, I simply stated a fact.
no, that if someone wanted to kill a 1 month or 3 months old because its never going to have a good life anyway (poverty , handicap etc) or the impacts to other family members its ok to do it

Depends on the situation. The pregnant woman gets to decide whether to continue gestating or not. Ideally, a patient has Advanced Directives to make their healthcare wishes known. Barring that, it falls to the legal next of kin.

no, after birth, who gets to decide to kill an innocent life when its clearly not wanted or growing up in poverty or whatever like you stated would be ok
 
no, that if someone wanted to kill a 1 month or 3 months old because its never going to have a good life anyway (poverty , handicap etc) or the impacts to other family members its ok to do it



no, after birth, who gets to decide to kill an innocent life when its clearly not wanted or growing up in poverty or whatever like you stated would be ok
No one decides that after birth. Those things are decided during pregnancy. You don’t have an argument here
 
no, that if someone wanted to kill a 1 month or 3 months old because its never going to have a good life anyway (poverty , handicap etc) or the impacts to other family members its ok to do it
If an infant has some debilitating medical or congenital defect which would exclude any meaningful quality of life or even a limited lifespan, which impacts it as much as the family, then why not? Its a family decision.
no, after birth, who gets to decide to kill an innocent life when its clearly not wanted or growing up in poverty or whatever like you stated would be ok
As I said, the legal next of kin. But then, no one is going around killing kids after birth anyway. At least, not legally. So your hypothetical fails!
 
No one decides that after birth. Those things are decided during pregnancy. You don’t have an argument here
He never has an argument, period. Just hypotheticals and feelings.
 
knowing this, at what point in development would you draw that line at eliminating human life ? 1 year? 3 years ?

I mean .... gotta kill off all those poor kids right? just the right thing to do, isn't it ?

Once again you completely, misogynistically, ignore the woman in this pregnancy.

If it's inside her, the govt cannot protect it without destroying a woman's consent to her own life (everyday) and health, and violating many of her rights.

Once born, the govt may protect a baby without destroying a woman's consent or rights. Others can care for it.

So the difference is at birth because after that the woman's life, health, consent, rights are not risked or sacrificed. Please book mark this...you've been reminded many times already that your red herring is bullshit and this is why.
 
If an infant has some debilitating medical or congenital defect which would exclude any meaningful quality of life or even a limited lifespan, which impacts it as much as the family, then why not? Its a family decision.
so the family would get to decide in your opinion - gotcha

can you tell me what defines "meaningful quality of life" ? would poverty be something that would qualify ?

As I said, the legal next of kin. But then, no one is going around killing kids after birth anyway. At least, not legally. So your hypothetical fails!

just trying to gauge on how you feel/think/believe

thank you for clarity
 
so the family would get to decide in your opinion - gotcha
Who else besides the family would decide?
can you tell me what defines "meaningful quality of life" ? would poverty be something that would qualify ?
Poverty is one reason why some women choose abortion.
just trying to gauge on how you feel/think/believe

thank you for clarity
I don't go by feelings or beliefs. Neither do I engage in meaningless hypotheticals. I made my thoughts quite clear and backed with rational, practical, and legal reasoning.
 
Who else besides the family would decide?

Poverty is one reason why some women choose abortion.

I don't go by feelings or beliefs. Neither do I engage in meaningless hypotheticals. I made my thoughts quite clear and backed with rational, practical, and legal reasoning.

you can't use legal - legal changes

your definition of rational and practical is different than other peoples

you did solidify what I thought though on how you view human life - appreciate that, thank you
 
you can't use legal - legal changes
Of course I can, as abortion has legal guidelines and is argued in the courts. You just do not want me to use it because it destroys your own arguments and objections.
your definition of rational and practical is different than other peoples
I use established definitions, not how others want them to be defined.
you did solidify what I thought though on how you view human life - appreciate that, thank you
Life is life. I always said that. You have yet to define or quantify the "value" of human life.
 
Of course I can, as abortion has legal guidelines and is argued in the courts. You just do not want me to use it because it destroys your own arguments and objections.
so if Trump gets abortion banned nationwide you'll say abortion isn't acceptable because legally its not acceptable - the law is your belief, right ?

I use established definitions, not how others want them to be defined.
change the guideline and that changes what you believe in right ?
 
?? It is fully human, the only thing left is growth to the next stage......
Absolutely right; a human embryo is genetically, fully human. And when it has accomplished all of it's many complicated stages of growth and is born it will be a human being.

human life... yes
Universal moral law of man has never said "Do not kill an embryo". If you need to use the Catholic and Protestant evangelical catechisms and call embryos human beings, fine, but then you are substituting religion for US law and there is a Constitutional problem with that.

It is not false that Catholic Catechism says women do not have a choice in the matter of pregnancy. The catechism bans contraceptives. It says women must be willing to accept Gods gift of children. It goes on later to condemn abortion and the women getting abortion. That doesn't sound like choice. All exegesis on women's mission and responsibilities in life make it abundantly clear that women do not have a choice. It's their job to produce children

".... with the creation of woman, human community appears for the first time and for the first time enters into human history. This is her gift and her mission. And unless she fulfills it, humanity will only continue its downward spiral."
????????????? what planet is this???
25% of all abortions are done for women who state that they are Catholic.15% of all abortion are done for women that state they are Protestant evangelical. Argue with Guttmacher not me. I'm just posting statistics and quoting dogma.
 
so if Trump gets abortion banned nationwide you'll say abortion isn't acceptable because legally its not acceptable - the law is your belief, right ?
How can Trump ban abortion when it is now a "state matter?" No, the law is not a belief. Did you not pay attention to the part where I said I do not go be belief? Do you have anything to offer other than mere hypotheticals? Something relevant perhaps?
change the guideline and that changes what you believe in right ?
See previous statement. And I do not make up my own definitions.
 
So. . . kill them because they might have a shitty life? Don't those carried through to born face some of the same dangers?
.... at what point in development would you draw that line at eliminating human life ? 1 year? 3 years ? I mean .... gotta kill off all those poor kids right? just the right thing to do, isn't it ?
These are the kinds of questions designed to be so stupid that there really is no intelligent way to answer them, giving the person that posed them the false sense that they have won the argument when in reality most people simply don't want to waste time explaining the stupidity of the questions to you.
Victory is yours
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No one actually cares about statistics 🤷✌️

That does seem like a trend for the right. On this issue, their arguments seem mostly belief and feelings-based. Their propaganda is even fact-free.
 
How can Trump ban abortion when it is now a "state matter?" No, the law is not a belief. Did you not pay attention to the part where I said I do not go be belief? Do you have anything to offer other than mere hypotheticals? Something relevant perhaps?

See previous statement. And I do not make up my own definitions.

I said what if

you don't want to follow the laws and rules unless they're what you want them to be - therefore you cannot use them as a base pillar

sorry
 
These are the kinds of questions designed to be so stupid that there really is no intelligent way to answer them, giving the person that posed them the false sense that they have won the argument when in reality most people simply don't want to waste time explaining the stupidity of the questions to you.
Victory is yours
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Kinda went right over you head, eh.
 
I said what if
What ifs is all you ever seem to have.
you don't want to follow the laws and rules unless they're what you want them to be - therefore you cannot use them as a base pillar

sorry
But I'm not sure why you think Trump could ban abortion. I thought you said abortion should be left up to the states? Most state laws allow abortion. So you got what you wanted. Yet you still complain.
 
I know a lot of senior citizens in nursing homes that are totally out of society----unable to do ANYTHING on their own.....
Senior care is big business in Healthcare. As well as a big drain on resources.
 
...and someday you will be part of that problem
No, I won't. I have directives in place and made my wishes known. I refuse to live as little more than a drooling vegetable and being a burden.
 
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