Why do Anti-abortion advocates ignore statistics.

[Gordy327]

Agreed. I am trying to take one point at a time to simplify it and reduce the chances he will create a Fallacious argument.

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That might end up being an exercise in futility.

 

[Truckdriver1319]

Dobbs says states can allow women to kill their unborn with no due process. And many states do. Obviously it's not murder.

And why are you imagining "poor souls?" They suffer nothing. What makes you feel entitled to believe your myths should be forced on women that dont believe the same thing as you do?

The women suffer tho...what about taking away their consent to choose not suffer the pain and risks of pregnancy? I hope you dont believe you hold some moral High Ground here...believing you are entitled to do that?

Know your history,what they don't tell you is that Dobbs was a societal compromise,No one wants babies to be killed inhumainly,see the only people that benefit from abortions being illegal,is Discrased Doctors who lost there medical license popping up in unsanitary Basements,women so desperate to end it using copper coat hangers inserted inside them.Babies found in dumpsters,Dobbs was a compromise. Ruled on by a Democratic Supreme court. The Evangelical right has been trying to stop abortions for 50 yrs. The fact is we're here because the Democrats left it witherling as a court Decision instead of making it law. Obama was the last Democrat president to have all the Branches of Government,that's how we got Obama care, Kamala said it in her last address before election,if the American people give me the white house and I have a Senate and the house,the send me a abortion bill I'll sign it into law day 1. They had the Votes in 2009 and did nothing.

 

[Lursa]

Know your history,what they don't tell you is that Dobbs was a societal compromise,No one wants babies to be killed inhumainly,see the only people that benefit from abortions being illegal,is Discrased Doctors who lost there medical license popping up in unsanitary Basements,women so desperate to end it using copper coat hangers inserted inside them.Babies found in dumpsters,Dobbs was a compromise. Ruled on by a Democratic Supreme court. The Evangelical right has been trying to stop abortions for 50 yrs. The fact is we're here because the Democrats left it witherling as a court Decision instead of making it law. Obama was the last Democrat president to have all the Branches of Government,that's how we got Obama care, Kamala said it in her last address before election,if the American people give me the white house and I have a Senate and the house,the send me a abortion bill I'll sign it into law day 1. They had the Votes in 2009 and did nothing.

Since when are SCOTUS decisions interpreting the Constitution supposed to be societal "compromises?" Dobbs returned the decision to the states.

I couldnt really understand much afte that, your post is a garbled mess.

 

[Truckdriver1319]

Since when are SCOTUS decisions interpreting the Constitution supposed to be societal "compromises?" Dobbs returned the decision to the states.

I couldnt really understand much afte that, your post is a garbled mess.il

Since when are SCOTUS decisions interpreting the Constitution supposed to be societal "compromises?" Dobbs returned the decision to the states.

I couldnt really understand much afte that, your post is a garbled mess.

My fault, not Dobbs ,Roe vs. Wade, was a court ruling by a Democrat SCOTUS, there would be no Dobbs decision if the Democrats would've made it law when they had all three branches of government under Obama's 1st term, the Republicans have never supported the ruling,and have worked hard for 50yrs. To change the makeup of SCOTUS,only Congress can make law, only Congress can abolish law.

 

[southwest88]

My fault, not Dobbs ,Roe vs. Wade, was a court ruling by a Democrat SCOTUS, there would be no Dobbs decision if the Democrats would've made it law when they had all three branches of government under Obama's 1st term, the Republicans have never supported the ruling,and have worked hard for 50yrs. To change the makeup of SCOTUS,only Congress can make law, only Congress can abolish law.

TMK, the Supreme Court that held in Roe v. Wade was mostly appointed by Republican presidents. That's easy enough to look up. Unless you want to argue that they were no true Scotsmen? (See https://marketrealist.com/p/1973-supreme-court-justices/):

"What were the political affiliations of the 1973 Supreme Court?​

"Though many people believe a "liberal" court decided Roe, four of the justices on Burger's court, including Burger himself, were nominated by Richard Nixon. Of those four, one wrote the majority opinion, two concurred, and one dissented. Of the nine justices on the court at the time, three were nominated by Democrats and 6 by Republicans."

(My emphasis.)

So it's apparently a natural mistake, to think that Roe was decided by political liberals.

 

[Gordy327]

My fault, not Dobbs ,Roe vs. Wade, was a court ruling by a Democrat SCOTUS,

The Roe court was mostly Republican/conservative with a 7-2 decision.

there would be no Dobbs decision if the Democrats would've made it law when they had all three branches of government under Obama's 1st term, the Republicans have never supported the ruling,and have worked hard for 50yrs.

Since Roe/Casey was still in effect, why would a new law be needed?

To change the makeup of SCOTUS,only Congress can make law,

The makeup of the SCOTUS is determined by affirmation of a Justice to an open seat on the court.

only Congress can abolish law.

That is false. The courts, especially the SCOTUS can uphold or strike down laws. This is basic civics.

 

[Lursa]

My fault, not Dobbs ,Roe vs. Wade, was a court ruling by a Democrat SCOTUS,

This is wrong. The RvW decision was 7-2 with a mostly conservative bench.

there would be no Dobbs decision if the Democrats would've made it law when they had all three branches of government under Obama's 1st term, the Republicans have never supported the ruling,and have worked hard for 50yrs. To change the makeup of SCOTUS,only Congress can make law, only Congress can abolish law.

What's your point? This isnt an argument.

 

[choiceone]

You have yet to pose a rational argument worthy of a counterpoint.

That you are unable to follow my rational arguments is telling about you, not me.

 

[choiceone]

My fault, not Dobbs ,Roe vs. Wade, was a court ruling by a Democrat SCOTUS, there would be no Dobbs decision if the Democrats would've made it law when they had all three branches of government under Obama's 1st term, the Republicans have never supported the ruling,and have worked hard for 50yrs. To change the makeup of SCOTUS,only Congress can make law, only Congress can abolish law.

Roe v Wade was a 7-2 opinion of a court with seven Republicans and two Democrats. Only one Democrat joined the majority opinion - six Republicans joined it.

The Republicans and Democrats pretty equally supported the opinion until the late 1970s. Here's why:

In about 1978, when almost all Southern Evangelicals were still pro-choice, someone in the RNC (I've forgotten his name, as I don't vote Republican) broached the issue of the need to draw more voters. Nixon had successfully drawn the Southern segregationist and racially prejudiced vote for Republicans after the Democrats Party committed to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. In the late 1970s, they had to try something else.

Anyway, it was proposed that the RNC commit the party to a partly anti-choice vote, moving away from libertarianism, which at that time was strongly pro-choice, to pick up the blue collar Catholic vote. This stand on abortion - exceptions only for rape, incest, and the life of the woman - could also serve the Southern religious but racially prejudiced vote in the South, where many people wanted free education at religious schools or wanted church founded segregated private schools to be tax free and people to get school vouchers for their kids to go there.

The Republican stand on abortion became an indirect sign for the vouchers thing under Reagan and beyond.

The Moral Majority or whatever the equivalent was back in the day, promised the Republican Party that it would get out the vote for them if they took the anti-abortion stand. This became an ongoing pact between whatever the Christo-political anti-abortion movement was called at the time and the RNC.

I'll give you a link if you want, but this explanation has been provided in very large numbers of articles that back up their claim with much more detail. I still remember an article no longer findable called "God was pro-choice in 1978." For most Evangelicals back then, this title was true.

 

[MAGAnificent]

That you are unable to follow my rational arguments is telling about you, not me.

Now you are having an argument with yourself. Have fun.