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Those sins were caused by man, not God
Those sins were caused by man, not GodWhere were you and I discussing the RCC? I asked you about an authority that American women are obligated to submit to. You brought up the RCC.
And everything I posted about the RCC is true. The violence, coercion, and misogyny are also astounding.
yes-----and that is not human eitherSo is excrement. Again, your point?
Those sins were caused by man, not God
The greatest authority of all, our God in HeavenFollowing His "so-called" words in the Bible, right? So then if they followed those wrong, why would we believe that they didnt get His ideas on abortion wrong? God never said it was.
Now, where is my answer? I asked you about an authority that American women are obligated to follow.
The greatest authority of all, our God in Heaven
it is a choice. Many are called, few are chosen.Why are you lying? That's a sin...or do you really not understand that Americans dont have to follow any deity?
that is the way laws often work. I don't believe in half the traffic laws I am subjected to, butSo apparently you have no argument beyond your beliefs...yet you feel entitled to try and force, by law, your beliefs on women that dont believe the same.
never said otherwiseGod gave us all free will and it's not up to you to usurp His Role.
correctIt's not the law of the land,
we must give to Caesar what is Caesar's , trueso you are denying God's Will, another sin.
5th commandment is clearHe never spoke against abortion...and He certainly could have, right?
correct .. Americans dont have to follow any deity? ...............................correctHe asks us to share His Word, not enforce it.
????? should I have arguments beyond my NON-beliefs???So apparently you have no argument beyond your beliefs...
it is a choice. Many are called, few are chosen.
that is the way laws often work. I don't believe in half the traffic laws I am subjected to, but
never said otherwise
correct
we must give to Caesar what is Caesar's , true
5th commandment is clear
Jesus' teachings on self-denial, sacrifice, and children makes abortion unthinkable.....
correct .. Americans dont have to follow any deity? ...............................correct
????? should I have arguments beyond my NON-beliefs???
Interesting, isn't it. There has been very little to no discussion about male partners part in creating unplanned and unwanted pregnanciesWhy do anti-choicers always go after the cis woman? Why not the man? Why not encourage him not to have unprotected sex? Or to get a vasectomy?
The bad is equally astounding.How disingenuous of you.
We are talking about the Catholic Church, not the GOP.
The Church was started by Christ. The good they have done is astounding.
So, because it is inconvenient for the couple, and to save a buck, they will kill the human life inside her.??????
So, to keep from "endangering the human, we kill it????
oh---how noble
Nothing is more precious than life---yes, even more precious than having sex................................good grief...
How am I or the Church doing that????I don't care what you believe, that's your private business. But, you and your church have given yourselves permission to invade the private lives of families everywhere with the inane justifications you just posted. You and your religious beliefs are denying the need of families for control over their future, denying their need to make private family decisions, denying services, education, insurance, contraceptives and abortion while claiming you are doing God's work.
That all comes from the voterWhen you meddle simply because your God says you have a right to meddle in his Name in lives you apparently know nothing about you do not create life, you create havoc for those already born and alive.
The statistics confirm the havoc. Numbers of doctors have decreased. Services for pregnant women have decreased. Insurance coverage for contraceptives has decreased. Clinics have decreased.
Abortion has increased. Maternal and infant deaths have increased. Infants born with birth defects have increased. Families with children they cannot care for, support and cherish have increased.
And you are calling this good?
Right a human embryo is human. A human embryo is not a human being it is an embryo.Science says it is human,
No, universal moral law of man does not say do not kill an embryo. Catholic priests say women do not have a choice in the matter of pregnancy. Our God gave you this pregnancy and you must carry it to birthing. If you end the pregnancy you have sinned against our God.and the moral law of man says "don't kill it"
You by defending and supporting the anti-abortion position. The church by direct cash donations to Congress members that support the creations of laws letting religion invade the lives of all women.How am I or the Church doing that????
Instigated by religion, in politics and in the White HouseThat all comes from the voter
You by defending and supporting the anti-abortion position. The church by direct cash donations to Congress members that support the creations of laws letting religion invade the lives of all women.
Instigated by religion.
So. . . kill them because they might have a shitty life? Don't those carried through to born face some of the same dangers?Research clearly indicates that children in families struggling with the stress of instability, insecurity, poverty, abuse and/or emotional issues do not do well as children and their futures' as adults are often worse. Conservatives surely are aware of the statistics since they have been posted several times. In the face of such statistics why isn't banning abortion, insisting on birth and denying access to effective LARCs just plain cruelty to children?
?? It is fully human, the only thing left is growth to the next stage......Right a human embryo is human. A human embryo is not a human being it is an embryo.
human life---yesNo, universal moral law of man does not say do not kill an embryo.
falseCatholic priests say women do not have a choice in the matter of pregnancy.
????????????? what planet is this???And what actually happens in Catholic families? When a pregnancy threatens the stability of a family they get an abortion.
hardlyYou by defending and supporting the anti-abortion position.
Name one lawmaker who got cash for that.The church by direct cash donations to Congress members that support the creations of laws letting religion invade the lives of all women.
So. . . kill them because they might have a shitty life? Don't those carried through to born face some of the same dangers?
We've heard that stupid argument already too many times. It was stupid when the church first told you it's silly semantics were a powerful argument against the truth of statistics about children and stress, research, science, the law and even the bible and now 20 years later it is still nothing but twisted semantics.
Why not? Why produce a kid unnecessarily if you cant afford it? What about her suffering, maybe the suffering of the kids she already has? Is it your view that "no one else's suffering matters"? BTW, the unborn suffers nothing if it's not born. I dont think you need to lose any sleep over suffering if you respect a woman's choice...she's the one who knows best what that suffering may look like.
Why is it only about the unborn/2 day old? What about the woman?
Because inside the woman, any govt interference trying to protect the unborn harms the woman, removes her right to consent to her own life and its direction, her health, it violates her 4th Amendment right to security of the person, due process, etc.
Once born, anyone can care for or protect a baby and the woman's life, and health, rights, and responsibilities and commitments to others are not risked. The govt is obligated to protect women and our rights...it has no such obligation for the unborn. Why should the woman, with her part in society, her involvement with loved ones, her responsibilities to others, be placed at risk for the unborn?
Who knows better than she what's at stake? Why demand risks to so many others for the unknown quantity of the unborn?
Produce? The kid's already produced.
Suffering doesn't justify killing an innocent human being.
Because we're not trying to kill the woman.
No citizen has absolute autonomy over their body. Men don't either.
Because her part in society, her involvement with loved ones, and her responsibilities to others don't justify killing someone to maintain.
Because the unborn are human beings, with the same right to life as all other human beings.
God supposedly created man knowing man would sin. God allowed it. The buck stops with god. Of course, sin is just a silly religious concept.Those sins were caused by man, not God
It still comes from a human.yes-----and that is not human either
That's nice. Prove it!The greatest authority of all, our God in Heaven
Incorrect. Laws are based on the Constitution and for the benefit or protection of the public, such as traffic laws.that is the way laws often work. I don't believe in half the traffic laws I am subjected to, but
Maybe to you. But to a woman in a situation which makes pregnancy and child rearing unfeasible, she can certainly consider abortion as an option.5th commandment is clear
Jesus' teachings on self-denial, sacrifice, and children makes abortion unthinkable.....
Which means no one is obligated to follow any religious doctrine, including those regarding abortion.correct .. Americans dont have to follow any deity? ...............................correct
Are not many or all of your arguments based on your beliefs?????? should I have arguments beyond my NON-beliefs???
Not quite.?? It is fully human, the only thing left is growth to the next stage......
So what? It's still not an actual human being as in a born person.human life---yes
Earth, aka Terra, aka Sol III, 3rd planet from the sun in the Sol system, within the Orion Spur of the Perseus Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy, approximately 26,000 light years (8 kiloparsecs) from the galactic center.????????????? what planet is this???
Why not?So. . . kill them because they might have a shitty life?
Probably. Life can be a real bitch.Don't those carried through to born face some of the same dangers?
No, it's still in production, like an auto on the assembly line.Produce? The kid's already produced.
Says who? By what authority? And who needs to justify anything?Suffering doesn't justify killing an innocent human being.
Pregnancy and birth can do that.Because we're not trying to kill the woman.
Sure they do, as long as it doesn't cause harm to another. That's why no one can be compelled to have their body used to support another.No citizen has absolute autonomy over their body. Men don't either.
A woman is not obligated to gestate for anyone or society. Neither does abortion negatively affect society in any way.Because her part in society, her involvement with loved ones, and her responsibilities to others don't justify killing someone to maintain.
Demonstrably and legally false!Because the unborn are human beings, with the same right to life as all other human beings.
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