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Why did the GOP pick Trump in the beginning?

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This has stumped me - and I know it's been talked about here at the forum, but as far as I can see there's no thread dedicated to it. It's usually a sub-topic in a thread.

So... why did the GOP say, "Yes, Trump, we want you to become a candidate potential. Come join us."?

Did they really not see a possible way for any of the other true Republican candidate hopefuls to make it? Did they honestly not see the ****storm that awaited on the horizon in the event they went with Trump?
 

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The party didn't, the "little people" of the party, the voters, did.
 

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This has stumped me - and I know it's been talked about here at the forum, but as far as I can see there's no thread dedicated to it. It's usually a sub-topic in a thread.

So... why did the GOP say, "Yes, Trump, we want you to become a candidate potential. Come join us."?

Did they really not see a possible way for any of the other true Republican candidate hopefuls to make it? Did they honestly not see the ****storm that awaited on the horizon in the event they went with Trump?

I don't think anyone in the GOP encouraged Trump to add his name to the primary ballots.
 

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This has stumped me - and I know it's been talked about here at the forum, but as far as I can see there's no thread dedicated to it. It's usually a sub-topic in a thread.

So... why did the GOP say, "Yes, Trump, we want you to become a candidate potential. Come join us."?

Did they really not see a possible way for any of the other true Republican candidate hopefuls to make it? Did they honestly not see the ****storm that awaited on the horizon in the event they went with Trump?

First, it was Trump's decision to join the fray. The GOP doesn't stand in anyone's way, as far as I know. Let the guys compete and the chips fall where they may (but all the money was going to one guy, and that was the guy chosen and expected to win - Jeb Bush). I'm sure they thought Trump would be good to drum up interest and viewership at the debates.

But what was not foreseen was the horrible performance of all the other candidates. Jeb was at a loss for words for time, and when he did speak....who can remember anything he said? Scott whatshisname, the governor, I even forgot that he had been in the debate. That's how forgettable he was. He dropped out early. Then the GOP hung their hat on their golden boy, Rubio, whom they have been grooming for the Presidency for a few years. He wasn't up to the task. It was too early. He hit the sand.

Then Cruz made a decent showing in elections, and therein lies the rub. The public's attention was centered on the Trump vs. Cruz heated competition. The GOP disliked both of them, but disliked Cruz more. Cruz, being in politics, had made personal enemies, a lot of them, in the GOP, when he did certain things to them and the party.

We know the rest. The other candidates, who were inferior candidates, ended up losing. Then Cruz finally fell to the wayside, leaving Trump to win the nomination.

So Trump wasn't "chosen" by the GOP. Trump chose to enter and paid his own way. They thought he'd be good entertainment. To everyone's surprise, including Trump's, he got the nomination, almost by default. There was simply no other decent candidate to win.

The GOP tried to get Paul Ryan to run. If he had, things would be very different right now. I'm convinced that at this time, Ryan is the only Republican who had a chance of getting the nomination and beating Hillary. But we'll never know. (I think Ryan is planning a run for it in the future. He's young. He has time. Timing is everything.)
 
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I think the evidence is pretty solid that the GOP wanted little to do with Trump. As such, I'm not sure how you developed your premise.

At the end of the day, it's the voters who decide who they want to represent them. In fact, Trump is a direct result of the voters telling the GOP they are done with the status quo.

Trump is the example of who is in control of the party.
 

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This has stumped me - and I know it's been talked about here at the forum, but as far as I can see there's no thread dedicated to it. It's usually a sub-topic in a thread.

So... why did the GOP say, "Yes, Trump, we want you to become a candidate potential. Come join us."?

Did they really not see a possible way for any of the other true Republican candidate hopefuls to make it? Did they honestly not see the ****storm that awaited on the horizon in the event they went with Trump?
Well the GOP supporters have spoken and if they tried to commit to an upset they would lose a lot of voters. So basically it's a you're **** if you do and **** if you don't.
 

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Unlike the Democratic Party, the republican primaries aren't rigged.




Nuff said.
 

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Nobody invited Trump. He had hijacked the party capitalizing on the power of celebrity, psychopathic self-assurance and shameless populist pandering. He clearly has nothing in common with either the religious conservatives, or the Club for Growth types, or the old school "decency above all" Yankee Republicans, to say nothing about libertarians. It is a hostile takeover.

I am not a Republican, and I have a lot to say about their "southern strategies" and "dog whistles". But let's be fair: Until now, they have managed to keep the real ugliness suppressed. (Buchanan had to run as a Reform candidate, on pretty much the same the worst-of-Right-and-Left-combined themes as Trump).

Now, it is a perfect storm. Trump is Buchanan multiplied by 10, if not 100. And - ignore the current polls, populists are always underestimated - he has a very good chance of winning. To the dismay of every Republican I know personally (all now Clinton or Johnson voters), and my own.
 

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The party didn't, the "little people" of the party, the voters, did.

Less than 50% of the Little People, just the most from the crowd. How the GOP allowed this to get away from them is something to consider for the future.
 

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Less than 50% of the Little People, just the most from the crowd. How the GOP allowed this to get away from them is something to consider for the future.

Maybe because way more than 50% of those little people were saying that if they didn't abide by the results there would no longer be a GOP. It's why Cruz is no longer electable outside of Texas.
 

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C'mon back when you understand how elections work. No candidate gets invited to run.

Oh, really? Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush just had a spontaneous urge to jump in at some point, no party apparatus backing whatsoever?
 

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The party didn't, the "little people" of the party, the voters, did.

Rubes mostly. Trump is a good judge of how to land them and he did. Remember his birther expedition? He learned right then where his base lies and there they were.
 

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This has stumped me - and I know it's been talked about here at the forum, but as far as I can see there's no thread dedicated to it. It's usually a sub-topic in a thread.

So... why did the GOP say, "Yes, Trump, we want you to become a candidate potential. Come join us."?

Did they really not see a possible way for any of the other true Republican candidate hopefuls to make it? Did they honestly not see the ****storm that awaited on the horizon in the event they went with Trump?
Was it that long ago? ;)

You're not the only one. Few people, including professional analysts, really expected Trump to win. It's pretty much unprecedented.

Also, keep in mind the establishment Republicans didn't (and still don't) want Trump. But, enough voters did, so they're stuck with him.



1) For years, the Republicans have catered primarily to the wealthy business class. They have a fanatical devotion to cutting taxes (for the rich), scaling back regulation, free trade, limited government. The reality is that even though many people self-identify as conservatives, they aren't rich; they don't want to eat tainted meat; they think free trade kills American jobs; they want government to do all sorts of things.

Some Republicans are social conservatives, and they've lost a lot of those battles for decades now.

The establishment Republican ideology is out of touch with the rank and file. The Tea Party was a warning sign about this, which they missed because they focused on assimilating and neutering that movement.


2) Trump appeals to certain groups: Nativists, xenophobes, racists, the shafted white working class. While not all Republicans are racists and xenophobes, lets face it: That's an undercurrent in many "Red" areas.


3) The other candidates sucked. The sheer number of candidates is an indication of that; if a particularly strong candidate was running, that would have dissuaded half the field. We saw that with the Dems; Clinton was so heavily favored that numerous other possible candidates (like Booker) passed.


4) By the time Trump was becoming a serious contender, establishment Republicans were already freaking out, expecting a major loss, expecting to lose down-ballot votes. The convention mollified them a little bit, and they figured that maybe they could get Trump to pivot into a general election stance. They had no idea that Trump was basically a giant freaking troll, who has now publicly stated that he will continue to act just like he has all along, even if it means losing the election.
 

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Oh, really? Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush just had a spontaneous urge to jump in at some point, no party apparatus backing whatsoever?

Hillary's been running since 2008 and Jeb got convinced that his brother didn't ruin it for him. He was wrong.
 

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This has stumped me - and I know it's been talked about here at the forum, but as far as I can see there's no thread dedicated to it. It's usually a sub-topic in a thread.

So... why did the GOP say, "Yes, Trump, we want you to become a candidate potential. Come join us."?

Did they really not see a possible way for any of the other true Republican candidate hopefuls to make it? Did they honestly not see the ****storm that awaited on the horizon in the event they went with Trump?
If by "GOP" you mean "GOP establishment", it had nothing to do with them and was out of their control. It was a bottom-up voter's rebellion.

It was a triumph of the GOP voting-class over the donor-class, and I find that very satisfying - except for it being led by Mr. Trump! :doh

Too bad Bernie didn't succeed in the same capacity against the Dem/Clinton machine! :(
 

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Maybe because way more than 50% of those little people were saying that if they didn't abide by the results there would no longer be a GOP. It's why Cruz is no longer electable outside of Texas.

As if I care about Cruz.
 

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I gotcha . . . I see that I've, for whatever reason, believed that all candidates must be approved by the party that they're running FOR. Like - the Republicans have to thumbs-up all those wanting to run as Republican (etc).

And that is wrong.

Hmm - not sure when I adopted this wrong view. Thanks for clarifying.
 

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This has stumped me - and I know it's been talked about here at the forum, but as far as I can see there's no thread dedicated to it. It's usually a sub-topic in a thread.

So... why did the GOP say, "Yes, Trump, we want you to become a candidate potential. Come join us."?

Did they really not see a possible way for any of the other true Republican candidate hopefuls to make it? Did they honestly not see the ****storm that awaited on the horizon in the event they went with Trump?
We didn't. A minority did, and the continuance of multiple vanity candidacies long after they had a shot kept opposition divided until it was too late. Even that minority is exaggerated, as many weren't even Republicans, but Democrats. Last number-crunching I saw on it was, if you take the Democrat vote out of the primary, Trump comes in Fourth.

:(



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If by "GOP" you mean "GOP establishment", it had nothing to do with them and was out of their control. It was a bottom-up voter's rebellion.

It was a triumph of the GOP voting-class over the donor-class, and I find that very satisfying - except for it being led by Mr. Trump! :doh

Too bad Bernie didn't succeed in the same capacity against the Dem/Clinton machine! :(

The Dems needed to do a lot more cheating to win but they eventually got their woman in Hillary.
 

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Was it that long ago? ;)

You're not the only one. Few people, including professional analysts, really expected Trump to win. It's pretty much unprecedented.

Also, keep in mind the establishment Republicans didn't (and still don't) want Trump. But, enough voters did, so they're stuck with him.



1) For years, the Republicans have catered primarily to the wealthy business class. They have a fanatical devotion to cutting taxes (for the rich), scaling back regulation, free trade, limited government. The reality is that even though many people self-identify as conservatives, they aren't rich; they don't want to eat tainted meat; they think free trade kills American jobs; they want government to do all sorts of things.

Some Republicans are social conservatives, and they've lost a lot of those battles for decades now.

The establishment Republican ideology is out of touch with the rank and file. The Tea Party was a warning sign about this, which they missed because they focused on assimilating and neutering that movement.


2) Trump appeals to certain groups: Nativists, xenophobes, racists, the shafted white working class. While not all Republicans are racists and xenophobes, lets face it: That's an undercurrent in many "Red" areas.


3) The other candidates sucked. The sheer number of candidates is an indication of that; if a particularly strong candidate was running, that would have dissuaded half the field. We saw that with the Dems; Clinton was so heavily favored that numerous other possible candidates (like Booker) passed.


4) By the time Trump was becoming a serious contender, establishment Republicans were already freaking out, expecting a major loss, expecting to lose down-ballot votes. The convention mollified them a little bit, and they figured that maybe they could get Trump to pivot into a general election stance. They had no idea that Trump was basically a giant freaking troll, who has now publicly stated that he will continue to act just like he has all along, even if it means losing the election.

There is nothing I can add to this that is either relevant or true.
 

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3) We saw that with the Dems; Clinton was so heavily favored that numerous other possible candidates (like Booker) passed.

This is not true. Clinton was actually a weak candidate. If the Dems had 17 people running Clinton would not have won. What Clinton did have was the establishment machine behind her. Without it she's really nothing.
 

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This is not true. Clinton was actually a weak candidate. If the Dems had 17 people running Clinton would not have won. What Clinton did have was the establishment machine behind her. Without it she's really nothing.

Prove it, I guess?
 
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