Why Conservatives should NOT vote for Romney. [W:348]

[Ikari]

Sure, raise up that capital gains tax, and watch investment dry up.

You could lower all tax rates to be the same as capitial gains. I mean, if we're not interested in presenting only false dichotomy.

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

on the issues that Matter, Romney has more experience and more credibility than the other choices

RINO Romney has ZERO credibility. That's his entire problem. He's a flip flopper. He has no spine, no backbone. He's never worked any kind of job that 99% of working Americans work. He's a vulture capitalist. He's made his way by feeding off the weak, destroying hard working American families and being a callous phoney that stabs the American working class in the back while smiling right in their face. He is the posterboy for the 1%ers who most of AMerica recognize as being the cause of the Great Recession that we were recently in and he is the worst possible candidate that the Republican Party could put forth to carry the party forward. As governor of Mass he increased government spending by 25% in just a few years. He has no plans to raise revenue or lower the deficit. The man is a disaster. He literally has nothing that anyone could put in the positive collumn in terms of qualities tthat this country needs in our president right now. And most AMericans see this. Even most Republicans know this. And he will not get elected. He'll get creamed in November and anyone who votes for him will be wasting an entire afternoon of their life.

 

[Vallista]

Remember voting for Dole in '96? Or McCain in '08? Remember watching Clinton being sworn in for a second term and that sinking feeling of Wow, I wasted an entire afternoon going to the polls to vote for a canidate who really didnt have a snowballs chance of winning anyway. Remember thinking, why did I even waste my time?

Well, if you vote for Romney this November then most likely you will be having that same feeling come January 2013.

But that is not why you should NOT vote for Romney in November. The reason you should not vote for Mitt Romney is because he is not a Conservative. The reason you should not vote for him is because of his stance on abortion, on gun control, on health care, on gay marriage, on religion. But these are all wedge issues, you say. Sure, Romney's policies on these issues have been in line with the liberal agenda, but the big issue this year is the economy, you say.
Ok, fair enough. So why exactly do you think Romney would be good for economy??? Because he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has never worked one minute of manual labor in his enitre life? Because he has NO IOTA of what us working folk have to do every day? Because he has an army of nannys, maids, chauffers and assistants to clean up after him and wipe his crack every day? Or maybe it is because he wants to INCREASE government spending even MORE than what we currently have.

Look, unless you are a millionaire who was born with a silver spoon in your mouth, Romney does NOT represent you and you would be a FOOL to vote for him. It would be far better to cast your vote in a respectable manner - in a way that would let you sleep well at night and look yourself in the mirror each morning. It would be far better to vote for the person who actually reflects your vision and your values. Be that Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, or any other write-in candidate like Chris Christie or Jeb Bush or Mike Huckabee. Because if you vote for Romney, you are saying THIS is what the Republican party stands for: a flip-flopping political opportunist who hides the money he made in shiping jobs overseas and stealing our retirement funds in Swiss bank accounts and a maze of tax shelters. THAT is not what my Republican Party is about, my friends. THAT is not what our future should be. We need to vote our conscience on this one. Vote for a canidate that actually reflects our Republican-American values. That is the way to go. Or even sit this one out, for 2012 is not our year. It is not the year that we send a true representative of the Republican Party to the White House. 2016 will be that year. 2016 will see the strongest group of Republican contenders since 1976 or 1980. We must be patient. We must circle the wagons and tough this one out. We must NOT vote for a lesser of two evils or a canidate that is not a true Republican. And Mitt Romney is NOT a true Republican!

Hey keep up the good work.:july_4th: :kissy:

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

"I am Barack Obama and I approve this tactic"

First make a wild accusation that Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years and then when you see his taxes attack how rich he is claiming he hasn't paid his fair share. Both detract from the Obama economic record which is indefensible.

Obama would not be able to use this tactic if RINO Romney would simply release his taxes. RINO led himself into this trap by being dishonest with the American people. He says he is running on his record as a businessman and then he REFUSES to release that record. Its a disgrace. Being that disrespectful of the American public is keeping his likability at a incredible low. It will prevent him from having a chance to be elected.

 

[Conservative]

Obama would not be able to use this tactic if RINO Romney would simply release his taxes. RINO led himself into this trap by being dishonest with the American people. He says he is running on his record as a businessman and then he REFUSES to release that record. Its a disgrace. Being that disrespectful of the American public is keeping his likability at a incredible low. It will prevent him from having a chance to be elected.

That is typical liberal bs and diversion from the Obama record. Where is there a law that states that anyone running for President has to release their tax returns? Did you pay any attention to the Obama tax returns when you voted for him in 2008? Why is that so important now with Romney? Could it be that you really are an Obama supporter and doing what they all do these days, divert from the economic record he has generated?

Romney said tonight that we would see his tax returns for the last two years by October 15. Those making an issue about Romney's taxes won't be voting for Obama anyway. If I thought for a minute that the release of Romney's taxes would put 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans back to work, reduce the 5.4 trillion dollar debt that obama has generated, and increase the GDP higher than 1.5% then I would support you in your efforts.

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

That is typical liberal bs and diversion from the Obama record. Where is there a law that states that anyone running for President has to release their tax returns? Did you pay any attention to the Obama tax returns when you voted for him in 2008? Why is that so important now with Romney? Could it be that you really are an Obama supporter and doing what they all do these days, divert from the economic record he has generated?

I did not vote for Obama in 2008.
As I've stated before, it is important to see RINO Romney's tax returns because RINO is running on his record as a businessman. Therfore the American public needs to actually see as much of that business record as possible. For Romney to disrespect the American people in this manner WILL cost him the election. He will not win the election if he does not release his tax returns. If you don't understand that now, believe me you will before this thing is over.

 

[Conservative]

I did not vote for Obama in 2008.
As I've stated before, it is important to see RINO Romney's tax returns because RINO is running on his record as a businessman. Therfore the American public needs to actually see as much of that business record as possible. For Romney to disrespect the American people in this manner WILL cost him the election. He will not win the election if he does not release his tax returns. If you don't understand that now, believe me you will before this thing is over.

You will see the 2010 and 2011 tax returns and when you do you will attack Romney on how rich he is. Did you pay any attention to the Obama tax returns? Where is the obligation to post tax returns as a qualification to be President? It should be the results that matter and those how don't vote for Romney weren't going to vote for him in the first place. How the Romney tax returns affect the U.S. economy is beyond me. It will be the Obama results that matter, not the Romney tax returns as those returns aren't going to put 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans back to work, but Romney's 4.5% MA unemployment rate shows that he can.

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

You will see the 2010 and 2011 tax returns and when you do you will attack Romney on how rich he is. Did you pay any attention to the Obama tax returns? Where is the obligation to post tax returns as a qualification to be President? It should be the results that matter and those how don't vote for Romney weren't going to vote for him in the first place. How the Romney tax returns affect the U.S. economy is beyond me. It will be the Obama results that matter, not the Romney tax returns as those returns aren't going to put 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans back to work, but Romney's 4.5% MA unemployment rate shows that he can.

Everyday ROmney is sending campaign workers out there, canvansing the streets, trying to convince undecided folks that ROmney can be trusted to speed up our Economic Recovery. And everyday the largest obstacle that these workers have in making their argument is that if Romney doesnt trust us enough to release his tax returns then why the hell should we TRUST him. Its a trust issue. The way the average undecided voter sees it is that we know what we get with Obama. Its been a slow Recovery, but it HAS gotten better. THis nation was losing nearly a million jobs a month in the last days of Bush/Cheney. Obama has gotten unemployment down from over 10 percent to just 8 percent. The stock market meanwhile has doubled since he has taken office. The AUto Industry - the symbol of AMericanism if there ever was one - has been saved AND he snuffed out bin Laden. The Undecided voter knows what we have with Obama.
But with Romney? We see a guy who is telling us what a great business man he is YET he wont even release the records to show us exactly what kind of businessman he was! How do you honestly expect any of the Undecided voters to put any faith in a man who refuses to show any faith in them?!?

 

[Conservative]

Everyday ROmney is sending campaign workers out there, canvansing the streets, trying to convince undecided folks that ROmney can be trusted to speed up our Economic Recovery. And everyday the largest obstacle that these workers have in making their argument is that if Romney doesnt trust us enough to release his tax returns then why the hell should we TRUST him. Its a trust issue. The way the average undecided voter sees it is that we know what we get with Obama. Its been a slow Recovery, but it HAS gotten better. THis nation was losing nearly a million jobs a month in the last days of Bush/Cheney. Obama has gotten unemployment down from over 10 percent to just 8 percent. The stock market meanwhile has doubled since he has taken office. The AUto Industry - the symbol of AMericanism if there ever was one - has been saved AND he snuffed out bin Laden. The Undecided voter knows what we have with Obama.
But with Romney? We see a guy who is telling us what a great business man he is YET he wont even release the records to show us exactly what kind of businessman he was! How do you honestly expect any of the Undecided voters to put any faith in a man who refuses to show any faith in them?!?

So you think tax returns tell what a good business man someone is? You don't think Romney is rich? I prefer to see the results of what he did vs. what his income taxes show. Why don't you look at results instead of going on a witch hunt?

There is a stark difference today and thus choice. Anyone that is undecided today is too stupid to vote

 

[Arbo]

So you think tax returns tell what a good business man someone is? You don't think Romney is rich? I prefer to see the results of what he did vs. what his income taxes show. Why don't you look at results instead of going on a witch hunt?

There is a stark difference today and thus choice. Anyone that is undecided today is too stupid to vote

The insanity never ends, does it?

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

So you think tax returns tell what a good business man someone is? You don't think Romney is rich? I prefer to see the results of what he did vs. what his income taxes show. Why don't you look at results instead of going on a witch hunt?

There is a stark difference today and thus choice. Anyone that is undecided today is too stupid to vote

I'm not stupid. But I, like the rest of America has not been given enough information to make an informed decision at this point. And the reason we dont have enough information is because Romney refuses to release his taxes. And yes, ROmney is rich. But as a true Conservative I know that being rich does not make a person a good business man. Look at Bernie Madoff. He certainly is rich. Or Micheal Milken. In order to see if ROmney was a good businessman we have to see how he got his money and what he did with it when he got it.

 

[Conservative]

CONSagainROMNEY;1060818060]I'm not stupid.

Ok, if you say so

But I, like the rest of America has not been given enough information to make an informed decision at this point. And the reason we dont have enough information is because Romney refuses to release his taxes. And yes, ROmney is rich. But as a true Conservative I know that being rich does not make a person a good business man. Look at Bernie Madoff. He certainly is rich. Or Micheal Milken. In order to see if ROmney was a good businessman we have to see how he got his money and what he did with it when he got it.

What you need to know first are the Obama results, and second that Romney was in the private sector,, ran the Olympics, and was Governor of MA. The contrast is stark and if you are as smart as you say you are then the choice is quite clear and it will be President Romney

Has Romney been prosecuted for tax fraud? Is there any legal action against him from his private sector experience? Did he balance the MA budget and take unemployment to 4.5%? Where is the law that requires anyone to release his or her tax returns to run for President?

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

Ok, if you say so




What you need to know first are the Obama results, and second that Romney was in the private sector,, ran the Olympics, and was Governor of MA. The contrast is stark and if you are as smart as you say you are then the choice is quite clear and it will be President Romney

Has Romney been prosecuted for tax fraud? Is there any legal action against him from his private sector experience? Did he balance the MA budget and take unemployment to 4.5%? Where is the law that requires anyone to release his or her tax returns to run for President?

Why does there need to be a law requiring it?
I'm not talking about what is legal and what is not. I'm talking about what is best for our nation.
Romney's record as Governor is a very consistant one: He consistantly flip flopped on every issue.
His record at Bain is incomplete. We do not have his tax returns. He says he was not working for Bain from 1999 to 2002. Without his tax returns from those years we can not tell if he is flip flopping about this as well.

*BTW, Mass was ranked 47th out of 50 in unemployment while RINO was governor.

 

[Conservative]

Why does there need to be a law requiring it?
I'm not talking about what is legal and what is not. I'm talking about what is best for our nation.
Romney's record as Governor is a very consistant one: He consistantly flip flopped on every issue.
His record at Bain is incomplete. We do not have his tax returns. He says he was not working for Bain from 1999 to 2002. Without his tax returns from those years we can not tell if he is flip flopping about this as well.

*BTW, Mass was ranked 47th out of 50 in unemployment while RINO was governor.

the law is there now, you cannot be a felon and be President of the U.S. and if Romney or anyone else didn't pay their taxes they would have been prosecuted. The precedence is 2 years and that is what we are going to get from Romney. If this is a big issue for you then you aren't voting for Romney regardless of what he releases.

What is best for the nation? The best for the nation is firing Obama as his record shows. I didn't vote for Obama because of his resume and won't vote for him because his record. I will be voting for Romney to generte change plus the fact that he has a resume showing actual results.

By the way, you continue to post the same old distorted facts that have been proven wrong. MA was 28th when he left office. Why do you have to distort his record? Looks to me like a made up screen name from a true Obama believer

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

By the way, you continue to post the same old distorted facts that have been proven wrong. MA was 28th when he left office. Why do you have to distort his record? Looks to me like a made up screen name from a true Obama believer

Wait a minute! Are you saying that Fox News LIED to me?
Maybe you should watch Fox New's Chris Wallace as he clearly points out that Mass dropped to 47th in the nation in jobs during Gov. Etch-a-sketch's reign. He takes spin-master Ed "Dude, where's my chin?" Gillespe to task over his redonkulas attempt to spin it otherwise...watch and learn:
Chris Wallace Grills Romney Adviser On Romney’s Job Creation Record As Mass. Governor | Mediaite

 

[Conservative]

Wait a minute! Are you saying that Fox News LIED to me?
Maybe you should watch Fox New's Chris Wallace as he clearly points out that Mass dropped to 47th in the nation in jobs during Gov. Etch-a-sketch's reign. He takes spin-master Ed "Dude, where's my chin?" Gillespe to task over his redonkulas attempt to spin it otherwise...watch and learn:
Chris Wallace Grills Romney Adviser On Romney’s Job Creation Record As Mass. Governor | Mediaite

Chris Wallace did his job and so did Gillespie and the Bureau of Labor Statistics which cites that the last year of Romney's term MA was 28th in the nation, not 47th or 50th. Guess that fact escaped you

Further the last year in office the unemployment rate in MA was 4.5%, another bit of data that you ignored

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

Chris Wallace did his job and so did Gillespie and the Bureau of Labor Statistics which cites that the last year of Romney's term MA was 28th in the nation, not 47th or 50th. Guess that fact escaped you

You are going with Gillespie's SPIN. I'm sticking by Wallace's FACTS. Flip Flopping RINO Romney's record as governor is abysmal. No matter how you SPIN it, his job creation record was among the worst in the nation. Mass's unemployment rate was lower than the national rate when he took office, by the time he left it was higher than the national rate. OVERALL, Massachusetts ranked 47th out of 50 states over the entirety of Romney’s four years as governor in terms of job creation. By comparison, Massachusetts ranked 37th in job growth under Swift (RINOs predesessor as GOV), and it ranked 10th under Deval Patrick (RINOs successor).

On top of that RINO increased government fees (taxes) by hundreds of millions of dollars and he increased Government spending by 25%!

HE WAS A "HUuu-GE" failure!

 

[Conservative]

You are going with Gillespie's SPIN. I'm sticking by Wallace's FACTS. Flip Flopping RINO Romney's record as governor is abysmal. No matter how you SPIN it, his job creation record was among the worst in the nation. Mass's unemployment rate was lower than the national rate when he took office, by the time he left it was higher than the national rate. OVERALL, Massachusetts ranked 47th out of 50 states over the entirety of Romney’s four years as governor in terms of job creation. By comparison, Massachusetts ranked 37th in job growth under Swift (RINOs predesessor as GOV), and it ranked 10th under Deval Patrick (RINOs successor).

On top of that RINO increased government fees (taxes) by hundreds of millions of dollars and he increased Government spending by 25%!

HE WAS A "HUuu-GE" failure!

No, I am going with the BLS data, which apparently you have no interest in reviewing. You weren't going to vote for Romney regardless of his record so stop with the bs. Is MA better off today now that Romney is gone? I know this is very hard for you to understand but taking the unemployment from 5.6% to 4.5% is a good accomplishment and destroys your personal opinions

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

No, I am going with the BLS data, which apparently you have no interest in reviewing. You weren't going to vote for Romney regardless of his record so stop with the bs. Is MA better off today now that Romney is gone? I know this is very hard for you to understand but taking the unemployment from 5.6% to 4.5% is a good accomplishment and destroys your personal opinions

It destroys nothing. I'm comparing apples to apples - you are comparing apples to dog biscuits. The REALITY is that Massachusetts was ranked 37th in job growth under Romney's predessor. It then dropped to 47th under Flip flopping RINO Romney. How is that a great accomplishment??? That sucks. If your football team dropped 10 places in the standings, would you say that it was a great accomplishment???

 

[Conservative]

It destroys nothing. I'm comparing apples to apples - you are comparing apples to dog biscuits. The REALITY is that Massachusetts was ranked 37th in job growth under Romney's predessor. It then dropped to 47th under Flip flopping RINO Romney. How is that a great accomplishment??? That sucks. If your football team dropped 10 places in the standings, would you say that it was a great accomplishment???

Better tell that to the BLS since obviously they got the numbers wrong. Get someone to help you read the charts. Romney was Governor of Mass from 2003-2007



http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST25000003

 

[CONSagainROMNEY]

Better tell that to the BLS since obviously they got the numbers wrong. Get someone to help you read the charts. Romney was Governor of Mass from 2003-2007



Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

I can see nothing from the BLS to dispute that Mass was 47th in job creation during RINO's Reign of Errors. You are trying to spin the truth. I'm not falling for it. THe facts are the fact. If you refuse to see them, that doesnt stop them from being the facts.

 

[Conservative]

I can see nothing from the BLS to dispute that Mass was 47th in job creation during RINO's Reign of Errors. You are trying to spin the truth. I'm not falling for it. THe facts are the fact. If you refuse to see them, that doesnt stop them from being the facts.

What you will see when you put in the dates of 2003-2007 is rising labor force, rising employment, and declining unemployment. what that equates to is number 28 in the nation in 2007 in job creation


FactCheck.org : Obama Twists Romney’s Economic Record

Do liberals like you ever admit when you make a mistake?

 

[winston53660]

What you will see when you put in the dates of 2003-2007 is rising labor force, rising employment, and declining unemployment. what that equates to is number 28 in the nation in 2007 in job creation


FactCheck.org : Obama Twists Romney’s Economic Record

Do liberals like you ever admit when you make a mistake?

The ad states that job creation in Massachusetts “fell” to 47th under Romney. That’s a bit misleading. Massachusetts’ state ranking for job growth went from 50th the year before he took office, to 28th in his final year. It was 47th for the whole of his four-year tenure, but it was improving, not declining, when he left.

Still not that impressive compared to other states.

 

[Conservative]

The ad states that job creation in Massachusetts “fell” to 47th under Romney. That’s a bit misleading. Massachusetts’ state ranking for job growth went from 50th the year before he took office, to 28th in his final year. It was 47th for the whole of his four-year tenure, but it was improving, not declining, when he left.

Still not that impressive compared to other states.

For a liberal state that is quite impressive as was the 4.5% unemployment rate in 2007

 

[winston53660]

For a liberal state that is quite impressive as was the 4.5% unemployment rate in 2007

I'm glad you are impressed with almost being dead last.