Why are orientation changes/conversions only 1-way?

[instagramsci]

If something relives someone of a condition it doesn't matter if it is a sickness or not as technically it is a cure. Sorry, but putting a position behind my post is going to get you no where as no position was laid out.

It's not a condition? It's part of someone's reality. It just is.

 

[opendebate]

Without the social pressures of an ever diminishing few (thank god) anyone who is gay would have no reason to seek a "cure". It's only the ignorant ramblings of those stuck with their heads in the past that create any conflict for them.

 

[CLAX1911]

If something relives someone of a condition it doesn't matter if it is a sickness or not as technically it is a cure. Sorry, but putting a position behind my post is going to get you no where as no position was laid out.

So hair dye is a cure for being blond?

 

[instagramsci]

neither is being short. but I would be willing to bet that there are a lot of 5' 6" guys who would gladly take a "cure" for shortness.

Yeah, it's called wearing thick-soled shoes.

 

[CriticalThought]

Unnatural things don't exist. Vampires and werewolves are the only unnatural things I can think of, wait, I guess leprechauns and unicorns are unnatural also.

But a human being being very much human isn't the slightest but unnatural.

Depends on the definition hence why it is all silly semantics.

 

[Ontologuy]

I always find myself wondering what would happen if someone came out with a cure. How would people respond in the gay community? I don't think anyone would protest in the streets, but I don't imagine they would be happy about it either.

No, they wouldn't be happy about it .. and, to some degree they would complain about "eugenics".

As presented in this thread -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/162179-controversy-treating-politicized-birth-defect.html#post1061868948 -- The GLBT group complained that a treatment for preventing ambiguous genitalia in females during their gestation had a "side-effect" of greatly reducing the incidence of homosexuality in these females as well and was thus not only a threat in and of itself but that the treatment could be "misused" for the intent purpose of preventing homosexuality in females.

 

[CLAX1911]

No, they wouldn't be happy about it .. and, to some degree they would complain about "eugenics".

As presented in this thread -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/162179-controversy-treating-politicized-birth-defect.html#post1061868948 -- The GLBT group complained that a treatment for preventing ambiguous genitalia in females during their gestation had a "side-effect" of greatly reducing the incidence of homosexuality in these females as well and was thus not only a threat in and of itself but that the treatment could be "misused" for the intent purpose of preventing homosexuality in females.

It's not a birth defect, you have been proven wrong every possible way.

 

[Henrin]

It's not a condition? It's part of someone's reality. It just is.

I'm not going to get into a definition fight with you, but my use of the word is correct.

 

[CriticalThought]

I always find myself wondering what would happen if someone came out with a cure. How would people respond in the gay community? I don't think anyone would protest in the streets, but I don't imagine they would be happy about it either.

Is it contagious?

 

[Henrin]

So hair dye is a cure for being blond?

You would cure blonde hair? That seems wrong.

 

[Ontologuy]

how about those that are straight then decide they are gay then change their mind and decide they are staight again? Anne Heche comes to mind.

Indeed, homosexuality is a condition that comes in a sliding-scale of strengths, just like other aberrations such as cleft palate and spina bifida.

Some cases of homosexuality are strong cases, in which the person suffering from it is strongly attracted to same-sex people and not at all attracted to opposite-sex people.

Some cases of homosexuality are moderate cases, in which the person is greatly attracted to same-sex people and maybe mildly attracted to opposite-sex people.

And some cases of homosexuality are mild cases, in which the person is only mildly attracted to same-sex people and more strongly attracted to opposite-sex people.

In the latter two cases, so-called "bisexual" behavior is evidenced to attendant degrees.

 

[OscarB63]

Is it contagious?

Is down's syndrome? Is anencephaly?

 

[CriticalThought]

No, they wouldn't be happy about it .. and, to some degree they would complain about "eugenics".

As presented in this thread -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/162179-controversy-treating-politicized-birth-defect.html#post1061868948 -- The GLBT group complained that a treatment for preventing ambiguous genitalia in females during their gestation had a "side-effect" of greatly reducing the incidence of homosexuality in these females as well and was thus not only a threat in and of itself but that the treatment could be "misused" for the intent purpose of preventing homosexuality in females.

You are not qualified to decide what is a defect.

 

[Gipper]

Is it contagious?

Yes.

 

[Ontologuy]

Without the social pressures of an ever diminishing few (thank god) anyone who is gay would have no reason to seek a "cure". It's only the ignorant ramblings of those stuck with their heads in the past that create any conflict for them.

That's simply not true.

There's an endemic existential angst-misery to having the condition of homosexuality that has nothing whatsoever to do with bullying.

When one realizes one is part of tiny minority of people with aberrant sexual desires it can be naturally depressing, and to suicidal degrees.

 

[opendebate]

That's simply not true.

There's an endemic existential angst-misery to having the condition of homosexuality that has nothing whatsoever to do with bullying.

When one realizes one is part of tiny minority of people with aberrant sexual desires it can be naturally depressing, and to suicidal degrees.

I'm sorry. I don't buy that. What evidence ( I will read whatever you provide) is there that without the condemnation and judgement of the community of people you live in there would be any angst or conflict? It is natural, it happens in nature ( although something tells me you've already heard that one) To those who have the inclination I don't believe there is any anxiety other than that caused out of concern for how others will react or treat them.

 

[Ontologuy]

I'm sorry. I don't buy that. What evidence ( I will read whatever you provide) is there that without the condemnation and judgement of the community of people you live in there would be any angst or conflict?

What evidence do you have that sans bullying there is no exacerbated existential angst caused by the condition of homosexuality???

You really have none, and are likely simply coming from a pre-conceived ideological perspective.

I have just posted why it makes natural intuitive reasonable sense that the condition of homosexuality would engender an exacerbated existential angst-misery in and of itself.

Yet you simply ignored the common sense of it.

Why would that be?

Likely, pre-conceived ideology.

It is natural, it happens in nature ( although something tells me you've already heard that one)

I don't know whether you're ignorantly or purposely misapplying the word "natural" here, but within this specific context of discussion, "natural" does not mean being a part of "nature" or "it happens in nature" or any other allusion to the absolutely meaningless "it exists, therefore it's 'natural'". :roll:

"Natural" within the appropriate context of this discussion is about frequency of occurrence and the assessment of the condition itself, and thus is more appropriately expressed in the same connotation as the word "normal".

Clearly, the occurrence frequency of homosexuality is abnormal and the substance of the condition itself is obviously abnormal.

Thus, to use your word-pivot appropriately within context, homosexuality is clearly unnatural in both frequency and substance.

To those who have the inclination I don't believe there is any anxiety other than that caused out of concern for how others will react or treat them.

Again, absolutely false.

In addition to those with that concern, simply having the condition, like those with cleft palate or spina bifida or any other abnormality experience, whenever they look at themselves in the existential mirror, especially early in their life subsequent to their discovery that they are homosexual, they most certainly experience the endemic exacerbated existential angst-misery of suffering from the condition itself.

Here's a post in which I presented the link "Is Being Gay Ruining Your Life?" in which homosexuals tell the honest truth that there is endemic misery to the condition that has nothing to do with being bullied. They recognize they are in a tiny aberrant minority, that they don't fit in with the great majority, that they are more than just different, but aberrantly so, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with bullying: http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/160480-homosexuality-birth-defect-49.html#post1061847410.

 

[RamFel]

What rule? How do I violate your rule. I do what every other person does, i am perfectly capable of procreation. The only difference is that I choose a romantic relationship with a man.

That doesn't violate the second rule and your first rule is meaningless being that every human being on three planet violates that.

The only people you are excluding here are impotent people and infertile people.

They're not my rules. They're Nature's rules.

 

[RamFel]

Semantics is not a game that can be lost.

But trying to prove homosexuality is natural can be.

 

[CLAX1911]

You would cure blonde hair? That seems wrong.

Seems wrong to cure homosexuality.

 

[CLAX1911]

They're not my rules. They're Nature's rules.

They aren't really natures rules, you really made them up.

 

[Henrin]

Seems wrong to cure homosexuality.

I was joking with my blonde comment. As for your question though, hair dyes do not cure anyone of their natural hair color.

 

[opendebate]

I have just posted why it makes natural intuitive reasonable sense that the condition of homosexuality would engender an exacerbated existential angst-misery in and of itself.

Yet you simply ignored the common sense of it.

Why would that be?

Likely, pre-conceived ideology.



I don't know whether you're ignorantly or purposely misapplying the word "natural" here, but within this specific context of discussion, "natural" does not mean being a part of "nature" or "it happens in nature" or any other allusion to the absolutely meaningless "it exists, therefore it's 'natural'". :roll:

"Natural" within the appropriate context of this discussion is about frequency of occurrence and the assessment of the condition itself, and thus is more appropriately expressed in the same connotation as the word "normal".

Clearly, the occurrence frequency of homosexuality is abnormal and the substance of the condition itself is obviously abnormal.

Thus, to use your word-pivot appropriately within context, homosexuality is clearly unnatural in both frequency and substance.



Again, absolutely false.

In addition to those with that concern, simply having the condition, like those with cleft palate or spina bifida or any other abnormality experience, whenever they look at themselves in the existential mirror, especially early in their life subsequent to their discovery that they are homosexual, they most certainly experience the endemic exacerbated existential angst-misery of suffering from the condition itself.

Here's a post in which I presented the link "Is Being Gay Ruining Your Life?" in which homosexuals tell the honest truth that there is endemic misery to the condition that has nothing to do with being bullied. They recognize they are in a tiny aberrant minority, that they don't fit in with the great majority, that they are more than just different, but aberrantly so, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with bullying: http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/160480-homosexuality-birth-defect-49.html#post1061847410.

Before I fully engage...why are you here? Why do you promote this perspective? Is it based in your religious beliefs?

 

[RamFel]

They aren't really natures rules, you really made them up.

No. I just look at things the way they are. Not the way I want them to be. The rules are self evident.

 

[Ontologuy]

Before I fully engage...why are you here?

Your question is both irrelevant and demeaning.

Stick to the topic.

Why do you promote this perspective?

Your wording here is again presumptive.

I'm not "promoting" anything.

I'm simply telling the truth.

My presentation is relevant and accurate.

I also enjoy presenting new, accurate information, especially of a scientific nature, that flies in the face of pre-conceived ideology.

Is it based in your religious beliefs?

Absolutely irrelevant .. though I understand where you're attempting here to find an avenue of attack.

However, I don't have a religious bone in my body. I'm not Christian, Jew, Muslim, any social religion, no new-age religion, no nature religion, nothing.

So you've gained little by your questions .. except stalling.

But if you still want more, here's this: http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/168322-invitation-why-you-conservative-liberal-mod-4.html#post1062129616.

Regardless, the topic remains the topic .. best to simply stick to it.