Why are liberals typically for gun control?

[OscarB63]

How exactly is that restriction working out with curbing violence on your little island there?

very well. all the murder victims can rest easy in their graves knowing they were killed with a knife instead of a gun

 

[apdst]

If they came for you, a gun would not be sufficient to stop them.

But, as long as we all have guns, it would be. Would any government want to go head-to-head with 100 million gun owning citizens?

 

[apdst]

You know, I die a little inside every time I see someone try and apply that poem to something other than Nazi Germany. I mean, I agree with your point, but seriously... just stop.

Why is that? Does it piss you off to see Socialism fail?

 

[apdst]

it requires about $15 in parts and 3 minutes of labor, to convert a Glock to full-auto.

Another urban legend. You realy should stop believing the hype.

 

[TurtleDude]

very well. all the murder victims can rest easy in their graves knowing they were killed with a knife instead of a gun

those tards over there are banning knives as well

one of my good friends-A canadian citizen who worked here in Cincinnati took a job with Lloyds of London as a Solicitor. Right before he moved he gave me a box of stuff--a realistic looking cap gun, a 2" protech switchblade (which is even legal in Kalifornia) and a 3" Kershaw folding knife-all banned in england-the latter due to the fact that the blade had a lock (I wont carry a folder without a lock-not safe)

 

[TurtleDude]

Another urban legend. You realy should stop believing the hype.

Yeah I am a glock armorer and I check with a couple of the master Glock gunsmiths. They just laughed at that nonsensical claim. Both are LEO's btw

 

[apdst]

You notice how all the violence in Mexico is along the northern border, right next to the US? Maybe there's a reason for that.

Sure there is.

1) It's where the trafficking lanes are.

2) It's because there's alot less Mexican authority in that region.

Do you honestly believe that Mexican drug runner have a better source for automatic weapons on the U.S. border than they do on the Guatamalan border?

 

[Molotok]

How exactly is that restriction working out with curbing violence on your little island there?

Pretty well. There were only 68 violent gun crimes last year, and 70 the year before that. Compare that to 11,000 in the US.

 

[Molotok]

Respekt.

123

I appreciate it.

 

[StillBallin75]

You notice how all the violence in Mexico is along the northern border, right next to the US? Maybe there's a reason for that.

Not entirely true.

Sure there is.

1) It's where the trafficking lanes are.

2) It's because there's alot less Mexican authority in that region.

Do you honestly believe that Mexican drug runner have a better source for automatic weapons on the U.S. border than they do on the Guatamalan border?

Precisely.

 

[apdst]

ok, so you want poor folks in the hood to be able to own fully-automatic rifles?

a cop on every street and an M-16 in every household?

wow.

Why just, "the hood"? I think everyone should own an automatic weapon.

In the words of Robert A. Heinlein --"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

Criminals typically don't prey upon people that can actually protect themselves. They prey upon the weak and defenseless.

 

[mtlhdtodd]

how often has your house been broken in to?

how often have someone attempted to mug you?

how often has someone attempted to carjack you?

OMFG That's your logic? Why didn't I think of that!!!

Go out right now and drop your fire insurance on your house and your car insurance. I mean when was the last time you house burned down or you totaled your car?

A gun is like insurance. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

 

[apdst]

well, I don't know about where you live, but in NYC...I do NOT want every Dick & Jane owning an M4 with a rocket-launcher.

Oh, so the strawman of the day is rocket launchers? :lamo

 

[TurtleDude]

IMHO You can't have more fun than spending time with a Glock 18 though! Wish I had one.

this is more fun

and considerably more expensive

 

[StillBallin75]

Pretty well. There were only 68 violent gun crimes last year, and 70 the year before that. Compare that to 11,000 in the US.

What about violent crime figures in total on a per capita basis?

 

[apdst]

how often has your house been broken in to?

how often have someone attempted to mug you?

how often has someone attempted to carjack you?

Do you lock your doors?

 

[mtlhdtodd]

very well. all the murder victims can rest easy in their graves knowing they were killed with a knife instead of a gun

And their justice system that prosecutes the victims for defending themseleves and their property.

 

[OscarB63]

Pretty well. There were only 68 violent gun crimes last year, and 70 the year before that. Compare that to 11,000 in the US.

outright lie. perhaps there were only 68 murders committed with guns last year. there were 16 gun related deaths in the UK in May 2011 alone.

 

[theangryamerican]

Pretty well. There were only 68 violent gun crimes last year, and 70 the year before that. Compare that to 11,000 in the US.

Strawman argument. We both know that violent crime rose at an exponential rate in your country with increased restrictions on weapons. Yes, you're right, gun violence went down, but all other violence increased dramatically. All your country has done is create a disparity in force, where law-abiding citizens are either physically unable or too afraid of the legal consequences to successfully defend themselves from those who would do them harm. In effect, the UK has succeeded in placing a flock of sheep, without sheepdogs or a shepherd, into the middle of a forest filled with wolves.

 

[Molotok]

What about violent crime figures in total on a per capita basis?

Still significantly less than in the US, by a wide margin.

It's simply harder to commit a violent crime with a knife.

 

[TurtleDude]

Still significantly less than in the US, by a wide margin.

It's simply harder to commit a violent crime with a knife.

England had much lower rates before its cowardly leaders collectively wet their shorts and started banning stuff

 

[TurtleDude]

Strawman argument. We both know that violent crime rose at an exponential rate in your country with increased restrictions on weapons. Yes, you're right, gun violence went down, but all other violence increased dramatically. All your country has done is create a disparity in force, where law-abiding citizens are either physically unable or too afraid of the legal consequences to successfully defend themselves from those who would do them harm. In effect, the UK has succeeded in placing a flock of sheep, without sheepdogs or a shepherd, into the middle of a forest filled with wolves.

maybe next they will demand universal castration to stop rapes

 

[StillBallin75]

Still significantly less than in the US, by a wide margin.

It's simply harder to commit a violent crime with a knife.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm just saying that there are many possible reasons for crime rates across different countries. Blaming the difference solely on gun laws is a flawed argument.

 

[Molotok]

Strawman argument. We both know that violent crime rose at an exponential rate in your country with increased restrictions on weapons. Yes, you're right, gun violence went down, but all other violence increased dramatically. All your country has done is create a disparity in force, where law-abiding citizens are either physically unable or too afraid of the legal consequences to successfully defend themselves from those who would do them harm. In effect, the UK has succeeded in placing a flock of sheep, without sheepdogs or a shepherd, into the middle of a forest filled with wolves.

An exponential rate? A wonder there're any of us left on this little old island.

Furthermore, you're wrong, about the situation of the average British citizen being undefended. That's what the police and constabulary are for -- who are better armed than citizens (who could be criminals), and thus have very little problem dealing with potentially violent criminal situations.

 

[PzKfW IVe]

I'm a liberal, and also a military man (not such a conundrum here in the UK). I served five years in the French Foreign Legion, and six in the Royal Marines. I'm rather well versed in firearms, I assure you. I still support their restriction. In fact, if anything my time in the military has proven to me all the more that such weapons should be for the military, not civilian life.

That's all well and good - but the truth is that in the US there's been no issue with civillians legally owning such weapons.