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Why are Conservatives such hypocrites?

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They support free-market Capitalism, yet LOVE farm-subsidies and paying farmers to NOT grow corn.

They support taxing people less, but they want a flat-tax that will lower taxes on those who can afford to pay the most in taxes, and raise taxes on those who can least affod to pay more in taxes.

They support taking power away from the govt. and giving it to the people, and yet they want to take the right to vote away from the poor and those who pay no Federal income taxes.

They support states' rights, but they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage...which would trump states' rights.

They claim to be Libertarian, but they support the govt. having authority over a woman's body.

They claim to be strict-Constitutionalists, but they often have no idea what the Constitution actually says.


.......why such hypocrisy with Conservatives? Is it inherent in their ideology?
 
They support free-market Capitalism, yet LOVE farm-subsidies and paying farmers to NOT grow corn.

They support taxing people less, but they want a flat-tax that will lower taxes on those who can afford to pay the most in taxes, and raise taxes on those who can least affod to pay more in taxes.

They support taking power away from the govt. and giving it to the people, and yet they want to take the right to vote away from the poor and those who pay no Federal income taxes.

They support states' rights, but they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage...which would trump states' rights.

They claim to be Libertarian, but they support the govt. having authority over a woman's body.

They claim to be strict-Constitutionalists, but they often have no idea what the Constitution actually says.


.......why such hypocrisy with Conservatives? Is it inherent in their ideology?

Are you claiming this "THEY" is all conservatives, just the ones you know, or some percentage ? Please post your source for their inherent ideology as well as cite sources if this is more than your opinion or make it clear it is just your opinion so I do not have to ask over and over again.
 
They support free-market Capitalism, yet LOVE farm-subsidies and paying farmers to NOT grow corn.

They support taxing people less, but they want a flat-tax that will lower taxes on those who can afford to pay the most in taxes, and raise taxes on those who can least affod to pay more in taxes.

They support taking power away from the govt. and giving it to the people, and yet they want to take the right to vote away from the poor and those who pay no Federal income taxes.

They support states' rights, but they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage...which would trump states' rights.

They claim to be Libertarian, but they support the govt. having authority over a woman's body.

They claim to be strict-Constitutionalists, but they often have no idea what the Constitution actually says.


.......why such hypocrisy with Conservatives? Is it inherent in their ideology?

Uhm, pretty sure many "conservatives" had called for an end to farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc. This is just a generalization based on an ignorant premise.

Most of the "flat tax" plans would actually benefit all tax payers if implemented properly....except those who pay no taxes, but should. We're so evil, expecting people to put in for all of the services they receive.

I've seen no proposed legislation that would strip the voting rights of the "poor". I've seen legislation suggestions involving providing photo ID, which makes perfect sense to me.

SOME conservatives want a consitutional amendment. And some have said they want the states to make those decisions. It depends on which conservative you ask.

The abortion statement is a bit disingenuous. The government (local, state, federal) already has a basic level of control over our bodies. We're not allowed to seek medical help to end our lives, suicide is illegal in many states, there are laws in place that allow us to be determined incapable of making medical decisions, which essentially strips away our ability to determine our own treatment....Further, while abortion definitely touches on the issues of a woman's right to privacy, the right to life of the fetus is still hotly debated, and determining whether or not one set of right trumps the other has been hotly contested since before Row v. Wade and even 'til today.

The constitution statement is just a conjecture based on party-line bias and when applied as a blanket statement it just makes you look ignorant.

Basically, you used a lot of stupid absolutes and generalizations which are either wrong, misunderstood, or based on stupid fear mongering bull**** politics from opposition pundits.
 
I like how them conservatives all become good little statists when the 'libruls' out-protest them.
 
The fact remains that while Conservatives claim to be for smaller-govt., they very often support the expansion of govt. power & responsibilities. i.e. the TSA, Dept. of Homeland Security, and the PATRIOT Act.

The fact remains while the Conservatives claim to be for less govt. intrusion in people's private lives, they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage or states to ban gay-marriage, and they want abortion punished as murder.

The fact remans that while Conservatives claim to be for free-market Capitalism, they support govt. subsidizing of the oil industry, farming, and other industries...along with bail-outs for the big banks.

Yep, Conservatism seems to be very synonimous with hypocrisy.
 
The fact remains that while Conservatives claim to be for smaller-govt., they very often support the expansion of govt. power & responsibilities. i.e. the TSA, Dept. of Homeland Security, and the PATRIOT Act.

The fact remains while the Conservatives claim to be for less govt. intrusion in people's private lives, they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage or states to ban gay-marriage, and they want abortion punished as murder.

The fact remans that while Conservatives claim to be for free-market Capitalism, they support govt. subsidizing of the oil industry, farming, and other industries...along with bail-outs for the big banks.

Yep, Conservatism seems to be very synonimous with hypocrisy.

1: Conservatives love a defense based federal government. That's its point of it.
2: I don't think the state should be involved in marriage. Its a religious item. I believe life starts when there is a heartbeat, and that life should be protected, just like yours is.
3: I don't support bail-outs. Nothing is "too-big to fail". The federal government shouldn't be subsidizing any person, group of persons, or business.


Seems like most of your "facts" are simply your observations of some people. Very subjective.

Countdown till the thread titled "Why are Liberals such whiny trolls?"
 
The fact remains that while Conservatives claim to be for smaller-govt., they very often support the expansion of govt. power & responsibilities. i.e. the TSA, Dept. of Homeland Security, and the PATRIOT Act.

The fact remains while the Conservatives claim to be for less govt. intrusion in people's private lives, they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage or states to ban gay-marriage, and they want abortion punished as murder.

The fact remans that while Conservatives claim to be for free-market Capitalism, they support govt. subsidizing of the oil industry, farming, and other industries...along with bail-outs for the big banks.

Yep, Conservatism seems to be very synonimous with hypocrisy.
Again nothing but YOUR personal opinion speciously implying some grand conspiracy that all conservatives are "in on" in some hippie commune socialist collective way... :lamo
 
Again nothing but YOUR personal opinion speciously implying some grand conspiracy that all conservatives are "in on" in some hippie commune socialist collective way... :lamo

wow, you see a conspiracy theory where none was suggests. that's interesting.

:lamo
 
They support free-market Capitalism, yet LOVE farm-subsidies and paying farmers to NOT grow corn.

Some conservatives agree with this, not all. Nice stereotyping and bigoted stereotyping of everyone in a particular group based on what some do.

They support taxing people less, but they want a flat-tax that will lower taxes on those who can afford to pay the most in taxes, and raise taxes on those who can least affod to pay more in taxes.

Conservatives support low taxes. They also generally support the notion that you don't punish people for wealth. Most also acknowledge a certain level of taxation is required. Ideally I'm sure most conservatives would like to abolish taxes all together. Such is not practical or likely possible. In regards to your "hypocritical" statement, in reality you have two different views of conservatives coming up against each other and thus having to find a middle group.

They support taking power away from the govt. and giving it to the people, and yet they want to take the right to vote away from the poor and those who pay no Federal income taxes.

Again, bigotry on your part and dishonest attempts to spin your OPINIONS of how you view a situation as absolute fact. Dishonest spin from a hyper partisan. Not all conservatives are in favor of such a measure, showing your hyperbolic and low attack through taking the actions of a few and applying it to everyone in a group. Additionally, should such happen it does not necessarily take it away from the poeple and shift it to the government, it could just as easily and legitimtaly be argued that it simply shifts it from one group of people to another group of people.

They support states' rights, but they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage...which would trump states' rights.

A ridiculous and laughable comment given the light of the final comment in this post, since passing a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT is the legitimate, correct, and constitutional method of implimenting a national edict that interfere's with what would normally be something that is states rights. "States Rights" deals with the notion that the federal government shouldn't be unconstitutionally interfering with issues that should be decided by the states. Passing a constitutional amendment, essentially amending the document that is a pact between the various states, does not infringe upon State's Rights but actually supports it by properly following the correct path in regards to issues of Federal and State Jurisdiction.

They claim to be Libertarian, but they support the govt. having authority over a woman's body.

More hyper partisan twisting and spin, hyperbolic bigotry, and ignorant statements by the OP. All conservatives do not claim to be libertarians. Again Thunder demonstrates he's the political equivilent of those who accuse all muslims as being terrorists. Additionally he once again, ignorantly and egotistically, decides to present his particular OPINION as indisputable and concrete fact which is laughable to an extreme that you could syndicate it as a sitcom. The "pro-life" issue from a conservative view point, and indeed to make an argument about the hypocrisy of the ideology one would actually have to address the ideology honestly which is why Thunder's post fails because he's seemingly unwilling to deal with anything honestly that doesn't serve his hyper partisan ends, is not about a woman's body but rather about the States role in protecting children which is not something that goes against conservative ideology. It would not be hypocritical to suggest a conservative interfere with parental rights by taking a child from a home when a mother tries to slit the childs throat; neither is it hypocritical then to suggest it is ideologically hypocritical that conservatives wish to have the government intervene with regards to abortions as conservative ideology views the chlid in the womb as just that...a child.

They claim to be strict-Constitutionalists, but they often have no idea what the Constitution actually says.

Pure opinion and nothing more, and on top of that the opinion of a hyper partisan who has shown a significant lack of grasp for understanding the role of the constitution and what conservative ideology actually is and who has consistently in this thread alone highlighted their extreme and obvious prejudice and bigotry towards conservatives and gross stereotyping of an entire group of people. Thunder has one nothing in this thread to truly highlight a wide spread and "inherent" hypocracy of conservatism, but rather simply served to show his own true self regarding his twisted feelings towards conservatives and his true colors as the type of person who would slander and attack an entire group based on what a portion of the group does putting him on equal level, similiar mental view points, and the same ethical and moral standings as those who would decry all muslims as blood thirsty murdering terrorists that hate America.

.......why such hypocrisy with Conservatives? Is it inherent in their ideology?

No more that your dishonesty and bigotry towards those that think differently than you shows that such things are inherent to liberal ideology.
 
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...Again Thunder demonstrates he's the political equivilent of those who accuse all muslims as being terrorists....

do you think its intellectually honest to compare a religious group to a political ideology?

I sure don't.
 
.......why such hypocrisy with Conservatives? Is it inherent in their ideology?

Why do you insist on making such broad generalizations? Why is it that every time I point out that similarly broad generalizations can be made about liberals and that both political parties are the problem, you either stop responding to me or stop posting in the thread?

Is it inherent in your ideology?
 
do you think its intellectually honest to compare a religious group to a political ideology?

I sure don't.
I think it is intellectually dishonest to express ignorant opinions as facts.
 
The fact remains that while Conservatives claim to be for smaller-govt., they very often support the expansion of govt. power & responsibilities. i.e. the TSA, Dept. of Homeland Security, and the PATRIOT Act.

The fact remains while the Conservatives claim to be for less govt. intrusion in people's private lives, they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage or states to ban gay-marriage, and they want abortion punished as murder.

The fact remans that while Conservatives claim to be for free-market Capitalism, they support govt. subsidizing of the oil industry, farming, and other industries...along with bail-outs for the big banks.

Yep, Conservatism seems to be very synonimous with hypocrisy.

Everyone, Republicans and Democrats an most citizens recognized the need for much tighter security at airports. Bush and the Republicans for the most part wanted tighter security regulations but not TSA. Many Republicans including Bush wanted the airports to handle it with private security forces. The Democrats wanted more government employees. Department of Homeland Security? Big duh there. Like you know and everybody knows there is hardly one citizen and no Republicans who want NO government. Who else is going to secure the country as a whole if it is not the federal government. As for the Patriot Act, typical Republican law and order and security driven hysteria. I am not completely against the Partiot Act but recognize both the problems with it and the value.

I would say both Democrats and Republicans are for less intrusion into peoples lives but the issues they consider intrusion don't match up. But I think you are confusing Republicans with Libertarians. That is the very limited government crowd.

One thing about you Thunder you leave plenty of room for just about anybody to counter your arguments because they are so hysterically exaggerated.
 
just the person who made the CT comment.
So a CT rule is one that specifies a particular persons opinion, such as this
Again nothing but YOUR personal opinion speciously implying some grand conspiracy that all conservatives are "in on" in some hippie commune socialist collective way... :lamo
rather than broad-brushes an entire group in some clandestine national agenda, such as this
They support free-market Capitalism, yet LOVE farm-subsidies and paying farmers to NOT grow corn.

They support taxing people less, but they want a flat-tax that will lower taxes on those who can afford to pay the most in taxes, and raise taxes on those who can least affod to pay more in taxes.

They support taking power away from the govt. and giving it to the people, and yet they want to take the right to vote away from the poor and those who pay no Federal income taxes.

They support states' rights, but they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage...which would trump states' rights.

They claim to be Libertarian, but they support the govt. having authority over a woman's body.

They claim to be strict-Constitutionalists, but they often have no idea what the Constitution actually says.


.......why such hypocrisy with Conservatives? Is it inherent in their ideology?

... interesting !
 
Why do you insist on making such broad generalizations? Why is it that every time I point out that similarly broad generalizations can be made about liberals and that both political parties are the problem, you either stop responding to me or stop posting in the thread?

Is it inherent in your ideology?

I guess Thunder doesn't have the time to respond when he's asked questions he can't answer regarding his bigoted politics.
 
Re: Why is Thunder such a hypocrite?

This thread ought to be “flushed” downstairs and merged with the nearly-identical thread that Thunder previously created a few days ago.
 
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I encourage posters to simply ignore this "contributor".

Zyphlin produced a well thought out response to the op, and the op subsequently ignored the overwhelming smack down that resulted from that reply.
 
Why isn't this thread in the Basement?
 
sorry, I was busy.

what's the question?

Here you go:

Why do you insist on making such broad generalizations? Why is it that every time I point out that similarly broad generalizations can be made about liberals and that both political parties are the problem, you either stop responding to me or stop posting in the thread?

Is it inherent in your ideology?
 
They support free-market Capitalism, yet LOVE farm-subsidies and paying farmers to NOT grow corn.

They support taxing people less, but they want a flat-tax that will lower taxes on those who can afford to pay the most in taxes, and raise taxes on those who can least affod to pay more in taxes.

They support taking power away from the govt. and giving it to the people, and yet they want to take the right to vote away from the poor and those who pay no Federal income taxes.

They support states' rights, but they want a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage...which would trump states' rights.

They claim to be Libertarian, but they support the govt. having authority over a woman's body.

They claim to be strict-Constitutionalists, but they often have no idea what the Constitution actually says.


.......why such hypocrisy with Conservatives? Is it inherent in their ideology?


That might be a damning list.... IF that were actually all true of most conservatives.... but it isn't.

F'rinstance, I have doubts about farm subsidies, don't support flat tax, don't want poor people denied a right to vote, never said I wanted a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage (I prefer it be left to the states, even though I am somewhat against it), and would further add that a good many libertarians have reservations about abortion because they believe the unborn has a human right to life.

Also, I have a copy of the Constitution in my desk drawer right here and refer to it regularly.

So, perhaps you'd like to stereotype Blacks, Mexicans, Cubans and Canadians too? Since you've been sharing your unfounded bigotry about conservatives with us, you might as well....
 
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