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Why a hidden God?

That's not what I was talking about.
Perhaps you'll need to rephrase what you were talking about.
Anyone who tells you that God knows all in the future---doesn't know God. No one knows the future, except for what he will make happen according to his will. Deuteronomy 30:19----- God set before all---life or death---he does not know who will choose what path. He desires all to repent, if he knew in advance the outcome--this would just be a sick joke on all. But God does not know.
He sent prophets to his chosen ones to repent or else many times--why would he bother if he already knew the outcome?
Omniscience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're arguing that god possesses "inherent omniscience" rather than "total omniscience." The problem with this is that it would take total omniscience to know what to selectively not know in order to not see the future. Further, it's morally dubious to know that a being that created this willfully chose ignorance in designing and maintaining things. That doesn't seem like the creator I'd want to worship.
 
Excuse me? Isn't God the totality of options, having the knowledge of both good and evil?

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. " Isaiah 45:7


So, He gave everyone freedom of choice by allowing ignorance. How are you going to become a unique individual if you don't start off without experience and knowledge, so you can learn and grow?
 
So, He gave everyone freedom of choice by allowing ignorance. How are you going to become a unique individual if you don't start off without experience and knowledge, so you can learn and grow?

knowledge doesn't take away your freedom of choice
 
Isn't your Christian God supposed to be the creator? If so he created everything, the good and the bad.

He created everyone (including the devil) with free will to do as they desire. And when sin entered the world (prompted by the devil in the Garden of Eden) so did disease and calamity.

Also, if you're God, tell me how you would create man with free will and at the same time not allow him to do evil if he chooses?
 
knowledge doesn't take away your freedom of choice

Of course not, you can be willfully ignorant and selfish but experience and time generally tame such extremes. Nobody would know what the best choice for themselves and everyone is each and every time a decision came up anyway, we just do what our limited mental/emotional abilities allow.
 
Anyone who tells you that God knows all in the future---doesn't know God. No one knows the future, except for what he will make happen according to his will. Deuteronomy 30:19----- God set before all---life or death---he does not know who will choose what path. He desires all to repent, if he knew in advance the outcome--this would just be a sick joke on all. But God does not know.
He sent prophets to his chosen ones to repent or else many times--why would he bother if he already knew the outcome?

If God does not know the future then He must be subject to space and time, just like us. The JW god must be created in their own image, not a good sign.
 
Perhaps you'll need to rephrase what you were talking about.

Omniscience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're arguing that god possesses "inherent omniscience" rather than "total omniscience." The problem with this is that it would take total omniscience to know what to selectively not know in order to not see the future. Further, it's morally dubious to know that a being that created this willfully chose ignorance in designing and maintaining things. That doesn't seem like the creator I'd want to worship.



The future has not occurred yet for mortals nor for God.
 
If God does not know the future then He must be subject to space and time, just like us. The JW god must be created in their own image, not a good sign.


No just reality---the future has not occurred yet--not for mortals and not for God.
 
The future has not occurred yet for mortals nor for God.

Time is a human construct, created by limited beings to categorize limited perceptions and limited faculties, presumably an omnipotent god wouldn't be subject to the same limited perceptions and faculties as simple, mortal beasts.
 
Time is a human construct, created by limited beings to categorize limited perceptions and limited faculties, presumably an omnipotent god wouldn't be subject to the same limited perceptions and faculties as simple, mortal beasts.

There would be 0 sense of any of what has occurred throughout mortal history if God knew the entire outcome in advance. There would be 0 sense in sending Jonah to the Ninevites and warning them to repent or be destroyed if God already knew the outcome, There would be 0 sense in having the written bible teaching us Gods will.
You need to study the true God--Jesus taught (John 17:1-6,26)---One must know him( Father) and know Jesus to get eternal life-- verse 6 = Jehovah--26= Jehovah.
This God--John 4:22-24-psalm 83:18
 
There would be 0 sense of any of what has occurred throughout mortal history if God knew the entire outcome in advance. There would be 0 sense in sending Jonah to the Ninevites and warning them to repent or be destroyed if God already knew the outcome, There would be 0 sense in having the written bible teaching us Gods will.
You need to study the true God--Jesus taught (John 17:1-6,26)---One must know him( Father) and know Jesus to get eternal life-- verse 6 = Jehovah--26= Jehovah.
This God--John 4:22-24-psalm 83:18

You're arguing that god behaved in willful ignorance in creating the world if you believe that there was evidence of divine intervention throughout history.
 
You're arguing that god behaved in willful ignorance in creating the world if you believe that there was evidence of divine intervention throughout history.


Archeologists uncovered( proved) many truths found in Gods written word. God created mortals to know only good, to live in perfect health-forever=Gods will)---mortals rebelled in Eden. It was the rebels in Eden who caused this system of things--it is almost done--live for entrance into Gods kingdom--John 4:22-24= Jehovah.
 
There would be 0 sense of any of what has occurred throughout mortal history if God knew the entire outcome in advance. There would be 0 sense in sending Jonah to the Ninevites and warning them to repent or be destroyed if God already knew the outcome, There would be 0 sense in having the written bible teaching us Gods will.
You need to study the true God--Jesus taught (John 17:1-6,26)---One must know him( Father) and know Jesus to get eternal life-- verse 6 = Jehovah--26= Jehovah.
This God--John 4:22-24-psalm 83:18

If your god is so ignorant about the future what makes you think that 144000 of you are going to be in heaven, or that the world is going to end at all? That must be why your end times prophecies are always wrong.
 
If your god is so ignorant about the future what makes you think that 144000 of you are going to be in heaven, or that the world is going to end at all? That must be why your end times prophecies are always wrong.


God inspired the words of revelation. human error caused adding a date to what is coming.
The world will never end--Gods kingdom is coming--there is 0 room for anything unrighteous.
The psalmist wrote---The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.
 
So, He gave everyone freedom of choice by allowing ignorance. How are you going to become a unique individual if you don't start off without experience and knowledge, so you can learn and grow?

Why shouldn't God be subject to the same criteria? Why should God be given any respect, as nothing was done to acheive it?

Ignorance necessarily reduces freedom. Of what value is uniqueness, when that uniqueness is ultimately wrong?

The basic premise is that God is right, and sooner or later, everyone will agree, then there will be no uniqueness.
 
the lord intends to someday release a very challenging set of where's waldo style books?

id buy one
 
God inspired the words of revelation. human error caused adding a date to what is coming.
The world will never end--Gods kingdom is coming--there is 0 room for anything unrighteous.
The psalmist wrote---The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.

Oh, I've known all along that you guys were in error.
 
Oh, I've known all along that you guys were in error.

The whole world is in error--my teachers have been fixing them to make this truth--Daniel 12:4--- right in front of all the ridiculing hearts that stay in error--proving truth is what they seek---not only did they fix the errors of the last 1750 years, but there own errors as well.
 
Just because we don't literally see Him doesn't necessarily mean He's "hidden."


It is no wonder that non-believers do not see,


2 Cor 4
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Some people will believe just about anything. Now it's I can't see him because I don't believe in him? Nonsense. Each of "YOU" have a million dollars in your front room, but I won't let you see it.---- RIGHT???

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Why shouldn't God be subject to the same criteria? Why should God be given any respect, as nothing was done to acheive it?

Ignorance necessarily reduces freedom. Of what value is uniqueness, when that uniqueness is ultimately wrong?

The basic premise is that God is right, and sooner or later, everyone will agree, then there will be no uniqueness.


You're not understanding my explanation. There's no God asking you for anything, He's hidden.

We're born as babies with no knowledge, except instincts and genetic predispositions. As we grow up and mature, we have individual experiences and learn from school, training and each other.

Whoever said uniqueness is wrong? Diversity and variety are the spice of life. How can anyone be themselves or have self awareness, if they're not unique? Maybe after you've lived a life and became an individual, then you get more knowledge in the afterlife. But that won't cause you to lose your individuality.
 
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As a young atheist/agnostic, I denied the existence of God for practical reasons. During my school years, I found it difficult to understand why anyone would believe in God without visible evidence. I knew my parents, teachers and friends were real, because I could see them and I could see their impact on the world around me. God, however, seemed completely hidden. I often thought, "If God exists, why would He hide in this way? Why wouldn’t God just come right out and make it obvious to everyone He exists?" As I examined these questions many years later, I began to consider other factors and considerations, particularly related to the nature of love and freedom.

I held love, compassion and freedom in high regard, even as an unbeliever. These were values I embraced as essential to our survival as a species, and values I considered to be foundational to human flourishing.

True love cannot be coerced. If God exists, it is reasonable that He would remain hidden to allow us the freedom to respond from a position of love, rather than fear.

Love requires a certain amount of trust; we must trust the being who loves us has our best interest in mind, even in times of doubt.

God is not a created thing for us to see, but rather a living force inside that gives us reality and existence.



I don't believe God wanted to interfere with our daily routines and development. God wanted us to become unique on our own, by learning from our mistakes, making our own choices and appreciating life.

Have you heard about the agnostic dyslexic insomniac?
 
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