Your poll is also prefaced by the assumption that Obamacare will fail.
Your poll is also prefaced by the assumption that Obamacare will fail.
None of those. They will deny it was a failure.
This, I don't believe it will fail, so I can't vote in your poll.
Your poll is also prefaced by the assumption that Obamacare will fail.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
I think most Americans understood from the beginning that there was no way that this massive scam could possibly succeed at achieving any of what it was claimed to be intended to achieve. As the inevitability of failure becomes increasingly obvious, there are still quite a few suckers who deny the obvious, and I think that this will remain true, no matter how massive and how obvious this failure becomes.
The famous statement popularly, but incorrectly attributed to P. T. Barnum is, in fact, a massive understatement.
Sort of. Prefaced upon the description of how it is currently failing.
Close, prefaced upon how people who say what you want to hear are telling you it is failing, by giving you inaccurate and incomplete pictures, and you buying into those lies. For example you mentions millions losing insurance, but fail to note that those people will still have access to insurance, and the number of insured will go up. it's deceptive practices like that which are the norm for your sources.
I am not a fan of Obamacare/ACA or whatever it is being called by whatever group, but I will actually let it happen before declaring it failed. That would actually be, you know, honest. Building straw men to try and score political points just makes this whole thread painfully silly, not that it has ever slowed you down as this thread shows.
Close, prefaced upon how people who say what you want to hear are telling you it is failing, by giving you inaccurate and incomplete pictures, and you buying into those lies. For example you mentions millions losing insurance, but fail to note that those people will still have access to insurance, and the number of insured will go up. it's deceptive practices like that which are the norm for your sources. Reminds me of when you where portraying Ryan's economic plan as from Simpson Bowles, without mentioning that all of the balancing items from Simpson Bowles got omitted, kinda like a kid who decides to eat only their desert but claims he ate what we given to him. The fact you are using editorial sources even in this OP is a sign of how desperate you are to try and make a case that isn't made.
I am not a fan of Obamacare/ACA or whatever it is being called by whatever group, but I will actually let it happen before declaring it failed. That would actually be, you know, honest. Building straw men to try and score political points just makes this whole thread painfully silly, not that it has ever slowed you down as this thread shows.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
I think most Americans understood from the beginning that there was no way that this massive scam could possibly succeed at achieving any of what it was claimed to be intended to achieve. As the inevitability of failure becomes increasingly obvious, there are still quite a few suckers who deny the obvious, and I think that this will remain true, no matter how massive and how obvious this failure becomes.
The famous statement popularly, but incorrectly attributed to P. T. Barnum is, in fact, a massive understatement.
Sebelius On The CLASS Act: 'I Do Not See A Viable Path Forward'
“We have not identified a way to make Class work at this time,” Ms. Sebelius said. She said the program, which had been championed by Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, was financially unsustainable.
It will fail because there aren't enough doctors to handle millions of new patients. The only thing it will be successful at is providing less healthcare.
A "like", even if I disagree.....possibily valid points...
Hopefully, the Obama-care is patterned after VA care, which is, I believe, subsidized by our government.
The VA care is good and affordable, IMO.
Only a fool or a hypochrondiac would abuse it...I imagine that this does happen on occasion, , but each medical visit costs and takes valuable time..
As to running out of doctors.....this is dubious at best....but I have not seen a "doctor " in years..The "nurse practitioners" have taken over..
What I wonder about is this - why must conservatives be so negative about things ??
Right, so. Obamacare is now bending the cost-curve up, millions are going to lose their health insurance, the IRS is saying that the cheapest plan under Obamacares' exchanges will cost $20,000 for a family of five by 2016 and increase out of pocket costs even AFTER the subsidies, the hundreds of billions in cuts to Medicare to fund the program will cause many doctors to stop taking Medicare patients, and if we don't make those cuts to providers, then the costs of Obamacare, which are already rising, to explode. 26 States are refusing to work with HHS, and Obamacare's implementation, already well behind track threatens to fall further and further behind even as it is announced that they will not, actually, technically, so-to-speak, be able to help the people the bill was purported to aid.
So. As this disaster of a behemoth of a bill continues to flail and fail, who are the Democrats going to blame? How far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go, ears plugged, eyes closed?
A "like", even if I disagree.....possibily valid points...
Hopefully, the Obama-care is patterned after VA care, which is, I believe, subsidized by our government.
The VA care is good and affordable, IMO.
Only a fool or a hypochrondiac would abuse it...I imagine that this does happen on occasion, , but each medical visit costs and takes valuable time..
As to running out of doctors.....this is dubious at best....but I have not seen a "doctor " in years..The "nurse practitioners" have taken over..
What I wonder about is this - why must conservatives be so negative about things ??
The VA...where they had the unsanitized colonoscopy scopes that led to an AIDs scare a few years ago, and the double-dip insulin pens that led to a blood-born pathogens scare this year? THAT VA?
Regardless, for several years now we've (Medicaid/Medicare/SCHIP) been either cutting or suspending payouts to doctors while the costs of providing care have risen. Why would ANY system that maintains that pattern lead to an abundance of available medical care?
It is clear that Obamacare, in its current form, will fail. The question is how long will it take for America and its government to move to a single payer system in order to save the nation's citizens from Obamacare. When the single payer system is instituted, Obamacare will be seen as the vehicle that got you there by forcing your hand. As such, Obama will be seen as the father of the single payer system.
There is a lot wrong with both the delivery of health care and its costs in Canada under our universal, single payer healthcare system, including the fact that much of healthcare now requires the individual to pay, but Tommy Douglas, who was instrumental in its inception in the early 1960's, is still deified here as the father of medicare.
Considering that the 2100 page bill was written by insurance companies...and virtually every congressional member openly admitted that they didn't read the content, I don't see any viable way to determine what the outcome will truly be....except for one thing that we can count on. The insurance companies win. Period.
The Congressional Budget Office is a way more likely source for determining potential outcomes...but the IRS? Now that is mind baffling. Why would the IRS be involved in making ObamaCare assessments. It's not like it doesn't have enough on its plate without jumping into cost/benefit analysis on O.C.
Insurance companies own a substantial stake in our Congress. Congress won't add insurance companies to the Sherman Anti-trust Act...nor will they create a law that forces competition across state lines. Thus the top 5 major insurance companies maintain a monopoly.
And just in case somebody doesn't know...Medicare and Medicaid is managed by the same top 5 insurance companies on behalf of the government. Even though the names of the companies listed (if you do a search are listed under, in some cases, subsidiarity names.)
Look folks...you can buy into the Washington distraction games all you want to. The ongoing fights between the parties keep the American people from focusing on the real issues, which would force Congress to be more accountable...but in the end, those who own Washington don't care what office holder carries which political label...as they all serve the same masters....and the masters damn sure ain't the citizens.
Everyday the evidence that the Federal Government is totally out of the hands of the American people and yet so many people cling to a mythical political philosophy as those somebody in Washington is faithfully practicing partisan political philosophies...except for one...and that isn't conservatism or liberalism...its known as Powerism.
Continue to watch the political bouncing ball if you will. Continue to buy into political false prophets. But it will ultimately lead to the end of America as it was intended. We already owe our collective souls to the the company store.
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