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Who was Rachel Corrie?

X Factor said:
And here's why I don't get the controversy, doesn't that organization admit to deliberately putting people in harms way? I mean, that's the point of a human shield. So, if Corrie put herself in front of a bulldozer on purpose, how is her death anybody else's fault but her own?
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Because people are still responsible for their actions and if the driver saw her and killed her, he intentionally killed someone. Whether it was a "justified" or "innocent" action is debatable, but whether he is responsible for his actions is not. I know I wouldn't run some unarmed woman over.
 
X Factor said:
She had to appreciate the risk of getting in front of a moving dozer, even if she didn't believe it wouldn't actually hurt her.
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Perhaps she thought she could jump out of the way at the last minute, sort of playing chicken with the bulldozer driver, but failed to understand the dynamics of the situation. The bulldozers in this situation do not directly hit the target. They scoop up dirt on the way and then push the dirt against the target with enough force to bring it down. Corrie jumped on top of the growing pile of dirt moving towards the house, probably not realizing that it did not offer her a firm platform to stand on. As the dirt shifted under her feet, she lost her balance and fell under the advancing wheels of the bulldozer.
 
X Factor said:
The fact that is was slow moving would suggest to me that she would have had the time to get out of its way.
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Or you know if the driver had respect for a human life maybe you know 1) Stop 2) Turn it off/cut the engine 3)divert the path of the bulldozer
 
X Factor said:
I'm really not seeing a whole lot of negative publicity, granted this happened 8 years ago. In fact there was even this cartoon published in a school newspaper.

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Which suggests to me, that, by and large, the general consensus (with some significant disagreement, of course) seems to be she caused her own death.

I agree with your last sentence.
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Has America really become this pathetic?
 
Serenity said:
my god.

that is revolting.

there are plenty of disgusting cartoons relating to the Israel/Palestinian conflict but i don't ever see the need to post crap like that here or anywhere else for that matter.

disgusting.
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I got that from an Aljazeera website. My point in posting it is that the editors seemed confident enough that it reflected popular opinion to publish it. I've also seen several comments on this (since everything has a place for comments now), and there are a bunch of jokes about this (let's just say IHOP came up a lot). It just doesn't seem the the publicity is (or was) all that harmful to the IDF.
 
theplaydrive said:
Because people are still responsible for their actions and if the driver saw her and killed her, he intentionally killed someone. Whether it was a "justified" or "innocent" action is debatable, but whether he is responsible for his actions is not. I know I wouldn't run some unarmed woman over.
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The bulldozers are armored to protect the driver and others in the cab from enemy fire, so the driver has only a narrow slit of a few inches to see what is in front of him. By all accounts, Corrie only managed to keep her balance for a second or two before falling under the bulldozer. There is no way to know if the driver saw her in that second or two or not, or if he did see her if he believed she had jumped out of the way instead of falling under the bulldozer.
 
X Factor said:
I got that from an Aljazeera website. My point in posting it is that the editors seemed confident enough that it reflected popular opinion to publish it. I've also seen several comments on this (since everything has a place for comments now), and there are a bunch of jokes about this (let's just say IHOP came up a lot). It just doesn't seem the the publicity is (or was) all that harmful to the IDF.
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i don't care where you got it from.

there are a bunch of jokes about a lot of things in this messed up world these days but that does NOT make them acceptable. if you can't see that then i don't know what else to say.
 
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Let's drop discussing the posted image and get back to the topic please.
 
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toomuchtime_ said:
The bulldozers are armored to protect the driver and others in the cab from enemy fire, so the driver has only a narrow slit of a few inches to see what is in front of him. By all accounts, Corrie only managed to keep her balance for a second or two before falling under the bulldozer. There is no way to know if the driver saw her in that second or two or not, or if he did see her if he believed she had jumped out of the way instead of falling under the bulldozer.
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I would say that is a bit more than a "narrow slit"...


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TheDemSocialist said:
She was a human rights activist from America that was ran over by a bulldozer trying to stop an Israeli bulldozer destroying a innocent Palestinians home or well for the sake of collective punishment.
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How do you know that they were innocent? did the IDF lie when they said the house was being used for smuggling? If so, how do you know? Did she die while functioning as a human shield for Hamas? Did one of her friends, who was there when she died, say that it might've been an accident?
 
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mpg said:
How do you know that they were innocent? did the IDF lie when they said the house was being used for smuggling? If so, how do you know? Did she die while functioning as a human shield for Hamas? Did one of her friends, who was there when she died, say that it might've been an accident?
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"Rachel Corrie died trying to save the home of Dr. Samir Nasrallah, who had engaged in no hostile activities and had been charged with no offence. His house was demolished because, like 600 others that have been bulldozed in Rafah, it lay within Israel’s planned “security strip.” Nasrallah was offered no compensation or alternative housing and had no right of appeal to a court."
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well that was the bulldozer she was ran over by...
The picture was taken moments before she was hit.
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It does not correspond to any armored bulldozer the IDF has used, so obviously the picture was staged.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"Rachel Corrie died trying to save the home of Dr. Samir Nasrallah, who had engaged in no hostile activities and had been charged with no offence. His house was demolished because, like 600 others that have been bulldozed in Rafah, it lay within Israel’s planned “security strip.” Nasrallah was offered no compensation or alternative housing and had no right of appeal to a court."
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Is there a reason you didn't want to share your source with us?
 
toomuchtime_ said:
It does not correspond to any armored bulldozer the IDF has used, so obviously the picture was staged.
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Sounds like something you just made up in fantasy land.
Your right. They knew that Rachel Corrie was gonna die so they said "hey Rachel go stand there real quick i just had a flash in my head that says your gonna die! Stand right there so we make you look like the good innocent girl you are!".
Cuz to me it looks like the Bulldozer based on the Wiki link you shared looks like the IDF CAT D9N, or the IDF D9R.
 


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Stupid.
 
toomuchtime_ said:
No wonder you didn't want to tell us where your "information" came from.
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Is there a problem?
Sense it came from a socialist news website does that it mean all the info was made up?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Sounds like something you just made up in fantasy land.
Your right. They knew that Rachel Corrie was gonna die so they said "hey Rachel go stand there real quick i just had a flash in my head that says your gonna die! Stand right there so we make you look like the good innocent girl you are!".
Cuz to me it looks like the Bulldozer based on the Wiki link you shared looks like the IDF CAT D9N, or the IDF D9R.
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By 2003, Israeli armored bulldozers in use in combat areas in Gaza all had slats around the cabin to protect against rpg's. Your photo is obviously of an earlier model.

As for the rest of your post, Corrie didn't stand there. She lost her balance after a second or two and fell. The argument that she was deliberately killed by the driver rests on the assumption that in that second or two the driver saw her head bobbing above the top of the blade before she fell out of sight and that he somehow knew she had fallen under the bulldozer instead of having jumped to safety.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Is there a problem?
Sense it came from a socialist news website does that it mean all the info was made up?
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It would help if you had a source that people have heard of. Believing them isn't much different from believing you.
 
mpg said:
It would help if you had a source that people have heard of. Believing them isn't much different from believing you.
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What? You never heard of the WSWS? Its a well known information and news outlet. Can you debunk the points and facts raised in the article if its not true? Your source?
 
toomuchtime_ said:
By 2003, Israeli armored bulldozers in use in combat areas in Gaza all had slats around the cabin to protect against rpg's. Your photo is obviously of an earlier model.As for the rest of your post, Corrie didn't stand there. She lost her balance after a second or two and fell. The argument that she was deliberately killed by the driver rests on the assumption that in that second or two the driver saw her head bobbing above the top of the blade before she fell out of sight and that he somehow knew she had fallen under the bulldozer instead of having jumped to safety.
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Photos published after the incident do not show the bulldozer having this "cage" around the area.
 
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