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Who let Vance into a grown up meeting ?

trouble13 said:
Zelensky is a pipsqueak who walked into the Oval Office thinking he was bigger than he really is. Trump reminded him he is not.
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Trump is a dwarf compared to Zelensky.

Trump hates Zelensky because Z is 100x more the man Trump is.
Zelensky is this century's Churchill. Trump is this century's Chamberlain.
 
Roadvirus said:
I thought "deals" meant both sides get something out of it.
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Ok. Let's admit that Trump is ready to sell out Ukraine for better relations with Russia. He is a businessman after all. May be this sale is a better deal for US.
 
trixare4kids said:
It was clear to me that Zelensky wanted a guarantee from the US that should Putin break the peace deal, the US would come to their rescue. No guarantees.

I felt certain that there would have been a peace deal made by the end of the afternoon.
That doesn't look like this is on track though. However, the press is reporting President Trump asked President Zelensky to leave the WH because he said Zelensky is not ready for peace. Trump's goal is peace.
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Trump's plan is to bend over and take a Putz up his Rump. What the Hell does Putz have on him?
 
Roadvirus said:
Ukraine doesn't need to pay us back. Neither does Europe. Everything we gave Ukraine was worth every cent. Russia's been beaten & humiliated. That's repayment enough.
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Great. Let's take the win and call it a day.
 
panic buyer said:
Dear me. This seems to be a direct result of Russian disinformation that trump/vance have swallowed whole.
Ukraine may not be sweet people but they are clearly the victims here.
What they are being offered is a jack not a deal.

Vance seemed to be in the room to provoke as the two double teamed on Zelensky.

I think the aim is to clear the way for the trump surrender to putin. The choice for europe is clear. Stop Putin in Ukraine or stop him in the Baltics/Poland.

I think it would be easier here unless trump supplies arms to Moscow.

The american electorate put these half wits in place. They have a lot to answer for.
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The only grownup in the room was the guy from Ukraine.
 
trixare4kids said:
I felt certain that there would have been a peace deal made by the end of the afternoon.
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I bet you also felt certain Trump would bring an end to the war by Day 1 of his 2nd term as he had promised. How does it feel to be constantly lied to by the Dear Leader you revere so much?
 
trixare4kids said:
Do you admit we were fighting a proxy war against Russia? Time to bring it to an end.
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Of course it was a proxy war... .Tens of thousands of young Ukrainians would be alived now it not for this proxy war....
 
trixare4kids said:
It was clear to me that Zelensky wanted a guarantee from the US that should Putin break the peace deal, the US would come to their rescue. No guarantees.

I felt certain that there would have been a peace deal made by the end of the afternoon.
That doesn't look like this is on track though. However, the press is reporting President Trump asked President Zelensky to leave the WH because he said Zelensky is not ready for peace. Trump's goal is peace.
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So Ukraine should just accept nothing?
 
Roadvirus said:
I thought "deals" meant both sides get something out of it.
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Zelensky was getting something.....lots of money to rebuild his country. If that wasn't enough oh well.
 
Roadvirus said:
Trump is a dwarf compared to Zelensky.

Trump hates Zelensky because Z is 100x more the man Trump is.
Zelensky is this century's Churchill. Trump is this century's Chamberlain.
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Churchhill does need our help then. Have at it.
 
vesper said:
Zelensky was getting something.....lots of money to rebuild his country. If that wasn't enough oh well.
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Lots of money to rebuild means diddly if there's no guarantee another attack won't happen.
 
Roadvirus said:
Trump is a dwarf compared to Zelensky.

Trump hates Zelensky because Z is 100x more the man Trump is.
Zelensky is this century's Churchill. Trump is this century's Chamberlain.
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If it were not for the United States under Biden's rule funding Zelensky, he would have been defeated in two weeks by Russia.
 
trixare4kids said:
If it were not for the United States under Biden's rule funding Zelensky, he would have been defeated in two weeks by Russia.
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But now, with Trump in charge, Ukraine is under threat again.
 
Roadvirus said:
But now, with Trump in charge, Ukraine is under threat again.
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Your anti-Trump sentiment is showing. Try to think of your country first before your own politics. Trump is the president, he is committed to peace, and yeah, Trump's in charge.
 
trixare4kids said:
Why should the US guarantee something impossible to predict? After three years, the war must end.
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Another attack won't happen if Putzin knows the US will come to Ukraine's aid again.

DUH!!!
 
Callen said:
That was the most disgusting display by Vance and Trump I have ever witnessed. Now Trump has tweeted out saying Zelensky disrespected the Oval Office!!!!! So much for Trump's deal making!!!!
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It ain't over yet.
 
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