Who else feels like we are being invaded?

[Fleshofthegods]

Did they say it was the only solution?

They also said something about ranchers having the right to shoot tresspassers.

 

[Fleshofthegods]

Ok, I made a sarcastic bad suggestion. You stop bringing the point up. Lets spend more for border patrol and ICE. Lets use the NG more. Lets use better survialence tech. to monitor the border, lets go after businesses that hire illegal workers, let improve the guest worker program. etc. etc. What we can't do is just let the current situation go on.
You don't seem to have any ideas to stop the illegal entry.
It facinates me you continue to come back to the mine the border point. Yet don't have much to prove your points.

It seems like illegal immigrants are just a scapegoat a lot of the time for the problems we face as a country. What are they ACTUALLY doing to harm the rest of us Americans aside from the fact that some of them may be smuggling guns and drugs across the border? I mean illegal immigrants that are just coming here looking for work.

 

[mike2810]

They also said something about ranchers having the right to shoot tresspassers.

and didn't you bring up you would force to protect your property / house? I played on that. So you think it is ok to protect your private property, yet others cannot. Got it.

 

[mike2810]

It seems like illegal immigrants are just a scapegoat a lot of the time for the problems we face as a country. What are they ACTUALLY doing to harm the rest of us Americans aside from the fact that some of them may be smuggling guns and drugs across the border? I mean illegal immigrants that are just coming here looking for work.

No respect for our laws, entering without permission, damaging private property, by coming in illegally we don't know the health of the illegal alien, drain on our local health care, drain on our school system. Want more, do a search. If you can keep up, I stated the post was sarcastic. I have also posted other more rational ideas. Where are yours?

Please prove that illegal aliens do not have some negative impact on the US.

Tea at least has some sensible ideas. You keep harping on insignificant points.
Back to the OP question. Yes I feel we are being invaded.

 

[jamesrage]

They also said something about ranchers having the right to shoot tresspassers.

Nothing wrong with using lethal force to defend your property.However that is not the only solution to illegal immigration that illegal immigration opponents have to fix illegal immigration.

 

[Politicalreaper]

I have signs on my property that say no tresspassing, and some that say tresspassers will be shot. Those are called warning signs and im well within my rights to act accordingly to defend my home, family and property from unwanted intrusion.
Why is the border any different, there are plenty of signs in english and spanish at the border, that state no tresspassing. The border is a property line between the US and Mexico if they cant respect the signs maby they can respect some
fire power. Drop a few and i bet they stop trying to cross.

 

[haymarket]

I have signs on my property that say no tresspassing, and some that say tresspassers will be shot. Those are called warning signs and im well within my rights to act accordingly to defend my home, family and property from unwanted intrusion.
Why is the border any different, there are plenty of signs in english and spanish at the border, that state no tresspassing. The border is a property line between the US and Mexico if they cant respect the signs maby they can respect some
fire power. Drop a few and i bet they stop trying to cross.

Did you follow the story behind this thread?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...mily-awarded-300-000-wrongful-death-suit.html

 

[Fleshofthegods]

and didn't you bring up you would force to protect your property / house? I played on that. So you think it is ok to protect your private property, yet others cannot. Got it.

No no no it is okay to protect your life not your private property. Shooting someone because they are passing through your yard is not okay.

 

[Fleshofthegods]

No respect for our laws, entering without permission, damaging private property, by coming in illegally we don't know the health of the illegal alien, drain on our local health care, drain on our school system. Want more, do a search. If you can keep up, I stated the post was sarcastic. I have also posted other more rational ideas. Where are yours?

Please prove that illegal aliens do not have some negative impact on the US.

Tea at least has some sensible ideas. You keep harping on insignificant points.
Back to the OP question. Yes I feel we are being invaded.

Well why don't YOU prove that they do? You act like Mexico has no hospitals or schools. You're talking about Mexicans like they're a bunch of dirty diseased animals. Like I said the majority of them are just looking for work not to cause any problems.

 

[mike2810]

Well why don't YOU prove that they do? You act like Mexico has no hospitals or schools. You're talking about Mexicans like they're a bunch of dirty diseased animals. Like I said the majority of them are just looking for work not to cause any problems.

See this is what I like about debating libs with your tactics.:mrgreen: Never answer a direct question, rarely provide proof to their statements. Then answer questions with a question. Even today their are legal ways to come into the US for work. Why don't they? Oh its too difficult, it cost too much. Yet some can pay thousands to coyotes to be smuggled across.

I also like how you jump to conclusion of what I think of illegal aliens that come across from Mexico. Are you deneighing that illegal aliens because they are not screened can pose a health risk to the US?
Yes, some come in to find work. For some they send funds back home. That helps are economy right?

Q&A: Illegal Immigrants and the U.S. Economy : NPR
By increasing the labor supply between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of U.S.-born men by an estimated $1,700, or roughly 4 percent.

FAIR: Illegal Immigration and Public Health
"Because illegal immigrants, unlike those who are legally admitted for permanent residence, undergo no medical screening to assure that they are not bearing contagious diseases, the rapidly swelling population of illegal aliens in our country has also set off a resurgence of contagious diseases that had been totally or nearly eradicated by our public health system. "

"According to Dr. Laurence Nickey, director of the El Paso heath district “Contagious diseases that are generally considered to have been controlled in the United States are readily evident along the border ... The incidence of tuberculosis in El Paso County is twice that of the U.S. rate"

Care to counter with something other than your opinion?

 

[Fleshofthegods]

See this is what I like about debating libs with your tactics.:mrgreen: Never answer a direct question, rarely provide proof to their statements. Then answer questions with a question. Even today their are legal ways to come into the US for work. Why don't they? Oh its too difficult, it cost too much. Yet some can pay thousands to coyotes to be smuggled across.

I also like how you jump to conclusion of what I think of illegal aliens that come across from Mexico. Are you deneighing that illegal aliens because they are not screened can pose a health risk to the US?
Yes, some come in to find work. For some they send funds back home. That helps are economy right?

Q&A: Illegal Immigrants and the U.S. Economy : NPR
By increasing the labor supply between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of U.S.-born men by an estimated $1,700, or roughly 4 percent.

FAIR: Illegal Immigration and Public Health
"Because illegal immigrants, unlike those who are legally admitted for permanent residence, undergo no medical screening to assure that they are not bearing contagious diseases, the rapidly swelling population of illegal aliens in our country has also set off a resurgence of contagious diseases that had been totally or nearly eradicated by our public health system. "

"According to Dr. Laurence Nickey, director of the El Paso heath district “Contagious diseases that are generally considered to have been controlled in the United States are readily evident along the border ... The incidence of tuberculosis in El Paso County is twice that of the U.S. rate"

Care to counter with something other than your opinion?

Immigration, Jobs, and the American Economy — The Century Foundation

 

[L. A. Fairfax]

How long you think youre gonna last here, amigo? Or last outside of your house in LA after dehumanizing some illegals. Not that I've been there or anything, but I am curious.

Thank you for this question. The answer will take us slightly off topic. Yesterday Breitbart told Teabaggers that they had the guns and people to change this country. Is this just bravado, or is it real? We liberals have been painted by Breitbart as sheep, lots of words, no muscle, weak, talkers, and unprepared to deal with the reality of hardball politics, violence, or anarchy. The other night I watched Lord of the Flies, a movie where the logical leader loses to the noisy teabagger types who are not afraid to kill or plunder. I think we are going the same way in this country. All these redneck nuts who belong to the NRA are armed and ready to go. We libs will crash fast with no weapons and guts. Wish I had a dime for every post I have made against the Second Amendment. Looks like I am one of the stupid liberals who threw away our right to defend ourselves. Just maybe Madison and his buddies were right about that Second Amendment.

So, I see problems, we watch posters on message boards vomit the same ideas over and over until the posting turns to name calling and ends. Then these posters, myself included, move on to another thread and do the same thing again. Message boards such as this provide an excellent opportunity to solve some of the problems of this nation and the planet. So, I provoke to bring out the true feelings of other posters. Frankly, I am amazed I get away with some of the things I say. Yes, I am a practical liberal. Providing logical common sense arguments in threads gets no response. Attacking the Catholic church - everyone has an opinion. I want to hear what other posters have to say with passion. I want to know if someone will defend them. When few do, it tells me something. I learn.

Today it seems we have the left and the right. I am a different political animal. I am a liberal Democrat and firmly believe in providing a temporary safety net for AMERICAN CITIZENS. What other nations do is their business, and not my problem. Freeloaders? I don't know which is worse the hedge fund manager or the illegal alien. I want them all stopped whatever it takes. Once I too hoped for an American utopian through liberalism. As more of a realist today, I am happy if we can just get a little more left of center.

As a DNC member, yesterday I received a fund raising letter from the Democratic Party. I scrawled a note across it and sent it back. "I do not donate to Republicans." Now if my expression of provocation is too much for some members of this forum, I'll take my lumps. On the other hand, I am screaming to my fellow liberals, "Arm-chair liberalism is over, and we are in for the fight of our lives in this 2012 election." Please roll up your sleeves. I believe we are fighting for the soul of the Democratic Party. Last night on Chris Mathews former President Bill Clinton denied that Hillary would be entering the primaries against President Obama. He called this Dick Cheney trouble making. Is it? That sounds like trouble in River City to me.

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[mike2810]

Immigration, Jobs, and the American Economy — The Century Foundation

Your link while two years older than NPR link I provide, basically stated the same thing. Little postive impact, with a negative impact on low wage earners. Both article leads one to believe the US could do without the illegal aliens.

 

[L. A. Fairfax]

Dude. Children born in this country are not criminals. And even for a criminal, to describe them as subhuman? To say that because of who somebody's parents are they are second class citizens? That is completely repugnant to the core values of this country. It's disgusting.



First off, you are taking the position that US citizens whose parents are or were undocumented immigrants are not created equal, so your statements don't match this sentence. You are arguing that some fully vested American citizens are equal and others are legally inferior before they're even born. That is precisely the opposite of the entire edifice of our constitution and our country. If you think that way, why don't you go find a feudal society or perhaps a society with a caste system that would be more aligned with your views? Secondly, that isn't what the declaration of independence says is it? It says "all men", which today means "all people". Right? Obviously you knew that when you typed this sentence... Third, you are using the language of people who commit genocide to describe human beings. There is nothing more despicable a human being can do than to draw a line around a group of people and declare that they aren't people. That's nazi crap and you need to cut it out.

I can see that our discussion is going nowhere. Remember there are two sides to every argument, and the winner is the one who presents them in the most convincing manner. You chose to push aside the realities of the Mexican-American War 160 years ago. You do not want to talk about the United States winning, forgiving Mexican debt, and paying $18,000,000 for the southern border as it now stands. You called those facts "Xenophobia."

What Americans do not like is that after that generous arrangement, Mexicans did not assimilate to American ways. The American people do not care about the 14th Amendment or our founding documents. The are tired of things like this, and in the end we will get our way.

1). We do not want to see Mexican flags in this country.

2). We do not want to hear that 'garbage Spanish' on American streets.

3). We do not want illegals in this country.

4). Any methods that make things more difficult for illegals and anchors ARE and WILL CONTINUE to be implemented.

5). American taxpayers are tired of picking up a $113 BILLION PER YEAR TAB for the health care, education, and welfare of illegals and 'squat and drops.'

6). We are tired of the immature Mexican attitude that the laws do not apply to them.

Now you can argue, negotiate, throw in human rights, all you want. But in the end, those wealthy old American families who trace their roots back to before the American Revolution will prevail. A few begging Mexicans are not going to change the progress of America. Remember, NO Hispanics signed the Declaration of Independence. The American people want a modern version of "Leave it to Beaverland" to return. A place where Hispanic culture stays invisible. You are not invited to the party. You are going to leave. I am not going to waste any more time with you Teamosil. Enough is enough.

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[teamosil]

I can see that our discussion is going nowhere. Remember there are two sides to every argument, and the winner is the one who presents them in the most convincing manner. You chose to push aside the realities of the Mexican-American War 160 years ago. You do not want to talk about the United States winning, forgiving Mexican debt, and paying $18,000,000 for the southern border as it now stands. You called those facts "Xenophobia."

What Americans do not like is that after that generous arrangement, Mexicans did not assimilate to American ways. The American people do not care about the 14th Amendment or our founding documents. The are tired of things like this, and in the end we will get our way.

1). We do not want to see Mexican flags in this country.

2). We do not want to hear that 'garbage Spanish' on American streets.

3). We do not want illegals in this country.

4). Any methods that make things more difficult for illegals and anchors ARE and WILL CONTINUE to be implemented.

5). American taxpayers are tired of picking up a $113 BILLION PER YEAR TAB for the health care, education, and welfare of illegals and 'squat and drops.'

6). We are tired of the immature Mexican attitude that the laws do not apply to them.

Now you can argue, negotiate, throw in human rights, all you want. But in the end, those wealthy old American families who trace their roots back to before the American Revolution will prevail. A few begging Mexicans are not going to change the progress of America. Remember, NO Hispanics signed the Declaration of Independence. The American people want a modern version of "Leave it to Beaverland" to return. A place where Hispanic culture stays invisible. You are not invited to the party. You are going to leave. I am not going to waste any more time with you Teamosil. Enough is enough.

Well, I don't know what else I can tell you. You can't really debate out disagreements over good and evil. From where I am sitting you are just openly advocating evil, hate, ignorance and cruelty. You're suggesting we should abandon the constitution of the United States in order to more effectively persecute people for being different than us. You don't seem to think it should be limited to undocumented immigrants, you seem to want to attack all people of Mexican ancestry and their culture as a whole. That is what the Nazis did. I think that is a bad thing and if you don't there really isn't much I can say to persuade you. I guess you would need to have a life experience that aids in your moral development or something.

I'd be curious though, what would your mother say if she heard you screaming out all this hatred against ethnic groups and children? How does a person develop this kind of abject moral failure? Did you just start out life with your parents teaching you to hate people who are different than you and to hurt them? Or did you develop that on your own? If it was on your own, what happened in your life that caused you to take such a dark turn?

 

[L. A. Fairfax]

Mexico ceded this land to us. They said "here, have this . . . " and signed on the line.

Ironic - don't you think?

Ok - so that's a simplified version of history.

Briefer and more to the point than anything I have written. Nice post. I believe this is why I like to post on illegal immigration. You always know that no matter what you say you will win in the end. You know the opposition is either some illegal or someone close to their type. They are easy to trip up. For me it is particularly funny when they quote the 14th Amendment. :mrgreen: Somewhere they heard about it, and they don't even know what it means! God knows they have had 160 years to figure it out!

Illegals know the axe is going to drop, and they have not figure out that the fear of looking over their shoulder for immigration is worse than going back where they belong. How stupid can anyone be to live in paranoia like that? Then if they are not nailed for illegal immigration, one day they have a fender bender, and end up on felony charges for fake citizenship identification! They are a stupid uneducated bunch. When one of them gets out of line, like Rick Sanchez who started pushing La Raza stuff on CNN, he and his career just disappear - poof, gone! Mexicans have not figured out that they are viewed by Americans as invaders. They will never be accepted. It is just the way it is. They brought this on themselves.

Recently the Governor of New Mexico won the election based on a promise to remove 90,000 illegal New Mexican drivers licenses. It was a political ploy to get elected. It was a token effort, and never happened. Now, here in the L. A. newspaper, I read that Governor Suzanna Martinez is being smeared as her family were illegals in the 1920s. She'll never see a second term. She will just disappear like Rick Sanchez. Someday I'll share what happened to Bill Richardson after he sold out a presidential candidate on an endorsement. I'm sorry I consider this so funny, but really it is not. :roll: :mrgreen: Oh, hell yes it's funny. These freeloaders are so incompetent. :lol::lol:

Thanks to Joey_Sac for the pic.​

 

[L. A. Fairfax]

Well, I don't know what else I can tell you. You can't really debate out disagreements over good and evil. From where I am sitting you are just openly advocating evil, hate, ignorance and cruelty. You're suggesting we should abandon the constitution of the United States in order to more effectively persecute people for being different than us. You don't seem to think it should be limited to undocumented immigrants, you seem to want to attack all people of Mexican ancestry and their culture as a whole. That is what the Nazis did. I think that is a bad thing and if you don't there really isn't much I can say to persuade you. I guess you would need to have a life experience that aids in your moral development or something.

I'd be curious though, what would your mother say if she heard you screaming out all this hatred against ethnic groups and children? How does a person develop this kind of abject moral failure? Did you just start out life with your parents teaching you to hate people who are different than you and to hurt them? Or did you develop that on your own? If it was on your own, what happened in your life that caused you to take such a dark turn?

Ah, ha, ha, you are still posting! How much of a fool are you willing to look like? You are outed! It is over. "Evil, hate, ignorance and cruelty you say???????" TRY THIS GET YOUR ****ING HAND OUT OF AMERICA'S WALLET, FREELOADER! TAKE YOUR TRASH AND GET BACK TO YOUR DISEASED SLUMS. AMERICANS ARE DONE SCREWING AROUND WITH YOU.

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Illegal immigration game, use your mouse to play.Online Flash Games - Shoot the Illegal Immigrants

 

[teamosil]

Thanks to Joey_Sac for the pic.

LOL. I should have known it was you... Still pretending to be a liberal, still having trouble putting together arguments eh?

 

[Fleshofthegods]

haha how does he even know the Mexicans in picture are illegal; or are even Mexicans at all?

 

[teamosil]

haha how does he even know the Mexicans in picture are illegal; or are even Mexicans at all?

He made it clear in his post that he doesn't like Mexicans whether they're citizens, legal permanent residents or undocumented immigrants. He doesn't like their flag, their language, their children, or their attitude.

 

[Fleshofthegods]

WOW and he lives in L.A.? He is going to die dude.

 

[mike2810]

Tea:
how is not wanting illegal aliens in the US against our Constitution?
You and I agree that a better guest work program is needed. Along with it we need better border security and clamping down on those that hire illegals.

We may not agree on everything. It puzzles me when people resort to taging one "evil" or other terms when they have a different view on a issue. People who enter the US illegal made a choice to not follow our current laws. The reason is not relevent. Many are tired of it.

 

[Fleshofthegods]

Maybe we should just take over Mexico and make it part of the U.S.

 

[teamosil]

how is not wanting illegal aliens in the US against our Constitution?

It isn't.

We may not agree on everything. It puzzles me when people resort to taging one "evil" or other terms when they have a different view on a issue. People who enter the US illegal made a choice to not follow our current laws. The reason is not relevent. Many are tired of it.

He isn't just attacking undocumented immigrants, he is attacking Mexicans of all kinds. He wants to abandon the constitution of the United States so that we can persecute Mexicans in general because he doesn't want them in the US. That is called ethnic cleansing and if that isn't "evil" I don't know what possibly could be... Here are some of the things he said:

TAKE YOUR TRASH AND GET BACK TO YOUR DISEASED SLUMS.

They are a stupid uneducated bunch.

Mexicans have not figured out that they are viewed by Americans as invaders.

The American people do not care about the 14th Amendment or our founding documents. The are tired of things like this, and in the end we will get our way.

We do not want to hear that 'garbage Spanish' on American streets.

We are tired of the immature Mexican attitude that the laws do not apply to them.

The American people want a modern version of "Leave it to Beaverland" to return. A place where Hispanic culture stays invisible.

And that's just from the past couple hours. This is a new sock for him. He has been posting anti-Mexican hate speech for about a year nonstop. It's all he talks about- how much he hates Mexicans. Illegal immigration is at most a convenient venue for him to rant against Mexicans. Sometimes he makes it about illegal immigration, but mostly he just goes off on Mexicans in general. I'm sorry, but that is evil itself. The notion you often hear from the right that we have some odd obligation to try to pretend not to notice evil just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Of course we should point it out when we see it. At the very least when it is this in your face.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

It isn't.



He isn't just attacking undocumented immigrants, he is attacking Mexicans of all kinds. He wants to abandon the constitution of the United States so that we can persecute Mexicans in general because he doesn't want them in the US. That is called ethnic cleansing and if that isn't "evil" I don't know what possibly could be... Here are some of the things he said:















And that's just from the past couple hours. This is a new sock for him. He has been posting anti-Mexican hate speech for about a year nonstop. It's all he talks about- how much he hates Mexicans. Illegal immigration is at most a convenient venue for him to rant against Mexicans. Sometimes he makes it about illegal immigration, but mostly he just goes off on Mexicans in general. I'm sorry, but that is evil itself. The notion you often hear from the right that we have some odd obligation to try to pretend not to notice evil just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Of course we should point it out when we see it. At the very least when it is this in your face.

Pure bigotry and racism.
Accusations of racism are widespread in this forum, but he really is the poster boy for it