Who cares how prisons are run, how prisoners are treated?

[Questerr]

1) Its not an either or situation. Good men also provide these things
2) Good for her
3) Move to where it does
4) Yes there are, just a matter of looking

There are always good choices in life. Problem is we often dont make them

They couldn’t afford to live on their own but you think they could afford to move?

****, you have lived a privileged life and have no connection with what normal people go through.

 

[noonereal]

How exactly does treating people in prison like absolute shit help?

It doesn't. Hello.

 

[Simpletruther]

And replacing imprisonment with?

Death penalty and beatings and reparations.

Save billions and have a safer society.

 

[Questerr]

Death penalty and beatings and reparations.

Save billions and have a safer society.

So violate the 8th Amendment and punish the poor more than the rich?

 

[Simpletruther]

So violate the 8th Amendment

explain.

and punish the poor more than the rich?

No

 

[Questerr]

explain.

No

Beatings would definitely violate cruel and unusual punishment.

Forced reparations would harm those who don’t have wealth far more than those with wealth just like all other fines in America.

Unless you want to go to system where fines are based on a person’s income rather than a flat amount.

 

[trouble13]

It's not just prisons that need to change either. We also need to start letting ex-cons more fully re-enter society once they've served their sentences. Lack of job opportunities and being treated like social pariahs is another big contributor to recidivism.

Changing the background check system so that only relevant results are returned would help a lot.

I don't know about that. I think employers have a right to know that someone was a crook before hiring them to install security systems (for example)

 

[Peter]

They couldn’t afford to live on their own but you think they could afford to move?

****, you have lived a privileged life and have no connection with what normal people go through.

I see this idea that the poor should just move to an area with more opportunities a fair bit.
It completely ignores the little things like having kids in local schools or family members that may need help living nearby and don't want or can't have you just move thousands of miles away.
It also takes actual money to move and the poor are poor because they don't have loads of free money to just say "Screw this!" and move to somewhere else.

It's completely blind to reality.

 

[trouble13]

people always have good choices available to them.

stop with the excuses and cop outs

The current system does not benefit society as a whole regardless of why the person became incarcerated.

 

[Peter]

Death penalty and beatings and reparations.

Save billions and have a safer society.

Yey, turn the USA into a medieval hellhole.
What a fantastic idea and it will sure look great on the international scene where you try and take the moral highground on anything while massively beating or just executing criminals.

If you want to completely destroy the name of the US overseas then that's an amazing idea.

 

[trouble13]

Or maybe they ended up in prison because they were stupid. Either way, prison should be thought of as rehabilitation first, punishment second (for the people who really ****ed up, like the drunk driver who killed a family), and quarantine last (for the narcissistic psychopaths who probably can't be rehabilitated).

(I'm agreeing with you, btw).

I agree with how you layered it. I would of.posted something similar if I expanded on my post.

Not all prisoners are the same and they should be treated according to which category they fit into.

 

[Peter]

I don't know about that. I think employers have a right to know that someone was a crook before hiring them to install security systems (for example)

All that will do is make it almost impossible for anyone with a record to get a decent job.
People that have completed sentences have paid the price for their crimes so why cripple their chances at a normal life after they come out?

 

[trouble13]

All that will do is make it almost impossible for anyone with a record to get a decent job.
People that have completed sentences have paid the price for their crimes so why cripple their chances at a normal life after they come out?

Sorry about their luck but people have a right to know that their daycare center isn't run by a convicted pedophile.

 

[Deuce]

Ah yes, let' us not discuss the conditions under which the raped or the families of the murdered must live.

What? Is someone imprisoning people for that?

Instead, let us "condemn solitary as psychological torture" because the here and now for violent criminals demands our attention.


(The far left's ability to be spectacularly stupid never ceases to amaze.)

Do two wrongs make a right?

 

[Peter]

Sorry about their luck but people have a right to know that their daycare center isn't run by a convicted pedophile.

Yes, and I'm sure the judge can order that certain people not be allowed to do certain jobs.
That's a long, long way from allowing employers to know about people's criminal records to take any job.

Just because someone looking for a job in the secret service is required to go through all sorts of hoops with reards to background checks and stuff doesn't mean someone getting a job at a hospital has to.

 

[trouble13]

Yes, and I'm sure the judge can order that certain people not be allowed to do certain jobs.
That's a long, long way from allowing employers to know about people's criminal records to take any job.

Just because someone looking for a job in the secret service is required to go through all sorts of hoops with reards to background checks and stuff doesn't mean someone getting a job at a hospital has to.

I would like to know if my nurse is a convicted drug addict before I put my life in their hands.

 

[Peter]

I would like to know if my nurse is a convicted drug addict before I put my life in their hands.

Why?
She could have been clean for decades at the time she treats you.
As I said she's done her time by being in prison.

 

[rickc]

I am 100% in favor of reforming our prison system.

People come out of prison bigger criminals than before they went in. That's bad for society.

Some people end up in prison because they made a bad choice when they had no good choices available to them.

Prison should be designed to help them from coming back after they are released.

I am in agreement

with one caveat.

There are some truly mean evil people out there that nothing can change. Separating the wheat from the chaff can be difficult.

 

[craig]

If the only way you can survive in prison is to become a super predator then what will you unleashing on society?

 

[Simpletruther]

Yey, turn the USA into a medieval hellhole.
What a fantastic idea and it will sure look great on the international scene where you try and take the moral highground on anything while massively beating or just executing criminals.

If you want to completely destroy the name of the US overseas then that's an amazing idea.

Prisons are a medieval hell hole lol

I coukd not give a rats ass what the "world" thinks.

 

[Peter]

Prisons are a medieval hell hole lol

I coukd not give a rats ass what the "world" thinks.

Ok then you can kiss goodbye to US influence on the world stage if you decide to dump simple human rights for prisoners.
Yes, people in prison do indeed still deserve dignity and basic levels of care.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I am in agreement

with one caveat.

There are some truly mean evil people out there that nothing can change. Separating the wheat from the chaff can be difficult.

Is it though?

I was just commenting in another thread about the woman about to be sentenced on Monday for killing her own two kids, conspiring to kill the ex-wife of her partner, and several other crimes. The obtainable standard cannot be that hard with considering crimes like that from a twice convicted car thief (random example) that clearly needs something other than repeat business.

Now, those are just two examples but we should be able to reasonably make a determination of who can be helped and who should not be let out.

 

[Simpletruther]

Ok then you can kiss goodbye to US influence on the world stage if you decide to dump simple human rights for prisoners.

Murderers and rapists loose the right to live.

We are negative imfluence now on this topic. It can only get better.

Yes, people in prison do indeed still deserve dignity and basic levels of care.

Prison is torture.

 

[Craig234]

Yes, people in prison do indeed still deserve dignity and basic levels of care.

I've wondered what the level of healthcare in prisons is, given the political and financial pressures against funding it - and what can be done to improve it if needed.

 

[Peter]

I've wondered what the level of healthcare in prisons is, given the political and financial pressures against funding it - and what can be done to improve it if needed.

Exactly.
If someone has a serious medical issue in prison you should treat them.
The people saying prisoners should get nothing seemingly want those people untreated and maybe die through lack of that treatment.