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Who cares about Venables?

In my experience it has been the more liberal of us who advocated such a short sentence for such a sadistic murderer. Not so much pigeonholing as speaking the blinking obvious. Not all liberals advocate such lunacy, but the noisier Guardian-types in authority do and act on it. (How Labour thought early release was ever worth it I don't know. Still, I suppose the beak'll send Venables fishing to keep him out of circulation now!)


And I can assure you that my opposite numbers do tend to come out with their own bits and pieces refuting my arguments, so nothing is taken as read. And that's the way I like it.





Venables framed? Alleged Soham murders? What's the basis for that? (With a link if you don't mind, especially one which proves the two little girls are actually still alive. Maybe they're being kept in an old RAF hangar with Elvis and the film crew who faked the moon landing.)
 
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That post was also begun using the word liberal mate. Thats what I was saying.

I didn't appreciate your last scentence in brackets much but I'm not claiming anything about Ian Huntley, other than I don't know the facts. Ah wah he was peddled by Trevor McDonald and The Sun as being a beast so he definately killed two weins because they said so? Nah, I don't know any of the facts. There are several facts that i find suspicious however, such as the bodies of the two girls being found on an American Airbase. Again I'm not claiming anything, I'm not claiming Ian Huntley was innocent, nor am I claiming he was guilty, I don't know the facts. I'm not entitled to judge him or Venebals.

One fact I do know, is that a friend of mine lives in the same town as Ian Huntley did, and he reckoned that what the newspapers didn't pick up on was that he would frequently wait at the school gates to meet his then 14 year old girlfriend (when he was 18) much to the distaste of my friend and some of the other parents living in the community who would pick their children up from said school.
 
For someone who doesn't know any facts, you're certainly keen to press home your points.

Ian Huntley killed two kids, the police evidence backing that up. On that logic I could doubt the Holocaust because I wasn't there to see the murders. If you don't know the facts and act as if you've no cause to doubt anything then why bring it up?
 
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I'm not entitled to judge him or Venebals.

Then it's completely superfluous to say anything. I was looking forward to some sort of meat here.



..And if even pop icon Toyah Wilcox, usually amongst those in ivory towers, believes in punishing the real criminals properly then ordinary people really must be heard on this!


1981:

Toyah's views often earn her a "Little Miss Prim" tag in the music press.

She also believes in capital punishment and castration for rapists.

"That sounds very Fascist, but these are people who believe in hurting others.

"I have no compassion for anyone like that... people who beat up pensioners, rapists who destroy victims and their families for a long long time.

"People like Peter Sutcliffe, who should be put to sleep by an injection.

"I'm too bitter to write songs about it all.

"I'm a singer, not a politician, and I want people to escape from things like that through my songs."

SOURCE:
Toyah+1981.jpg (image)
 
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The real criminals ay.

pffft Toyah Wilcox and the real criminals wake up mate. You're whining on about some kid who all you know about is whats been written in tabloids, and people like this are still out there making millions.

Larry King, (Lawrence Harvey King), American television and radio talk show host, Not completely relevant but King has been married in the region of 10 times and the pattern would indicate that said marriages tend to last for no longer than one year, John Decamp’s attempt at child sex ring exposure, Named in testimonies surrounding The Franklin Cover-Up, Troy Boner (do the digging yourself on this one), (The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of allegations and legal actions surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska as well as high-level U.S. politicians. The scandal centered around the actions of Lawrence E. King. King eventually served 10 years of a 15-year prison sentence when convicted of embezzling thirty-eight million dollars as manager of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union in Nebraska. He was later served with a $1 million default judgment after he failed to appear in court to respond to civil charges of kidnapping and child abuse. On February 1, 1991, former Nebraska state senator John DeCamp filed a civil suit on behalf of Paul Bonacci, against the Catholic Archbishop of Omaha and Lawrence E. King, as well as businessmen Peter Citron, Alan Baer, Harold Andersen, Michael Hoch, Kenneth Bovasso and other Nebraska persons and institutions) More detailed reading here|



Bundling an unfortunate and no doubt disturbed product of society like Venebals under the banner 'Real Criminals' when they're about as worthy of radar coverage as local sports club five aside football players are in the premier division. I'm not interested in the little suburban urchin who's minds been distorted and poisoned by society and it's disgusting pshycologically grooming mainstream media programming, I'm interested in exposing the poisoners. Not predictiably spewing forth hate, ranting and raving about the tabloid pie meat used to distract the public and encite a skitzoid sick collective public mind to lust after the death penalty, like I'm supposed to do.

Get ahead and post what you've godda post.




^ In six parts.


This is one of the problems we're facing. The public mind is running around trying to hang the pawn. You sound full of hate and anger, I just wish you'd use that anger more constructively by the looks of things.

And besides, the heroic Wilcox (Whom I have nothing against and I'm sure is a very nice lady, weather or not she still agrees with capital punishment or not we don't know) has somewhat shot her ethic structure in the foot slightly by saying "I'm a singer, not a politician, and I want people to escape from things like that through my songs"

Agreed, lets escape from the broader picture and focus in on one little disturbed mind once every couple of years yes, then get back to buying 'The most epic movie title of this year', 'one of the best albums to be released in the past decade', 'new mCChicken twist s*hits from McDonalds', watching the 'Corination St Omnibus' listening to the songs of Toyah Wilcox and 'Oooh, look at that evil soul I'm quite disgusted Tumbridge Wells oh dear, can we kill him please, I need to know whats happening in the world stick ABC on have we got pudding? wow pop-tarts yeah please!' ad infinitum.

You got your reaction, it'll be the last time.
 
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The real criminals ay.

pffft Toyah Wilcox and the real criminals wake up mate. You're whining on about some kid who all you know about is whats been written in tabloids, and people like this are still out there making millions.

Larry King, (Lawrence Harvey King), American television and radio talk show host, Not completely relevant but King has been married in the region of 10 times and the pattern would indicate that said marriages tend to last for no longer than one year, John Decamp’s attempt at child sex ring exposure, Named in testimonies surrounding The Franklin Cover-Up, Troy Boner (do the digging yourself on this one), (The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of allegations and legal actions surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska as well as high-level U.S. politicians. The scandal centered around the actions of Lawrence E. King. King eventually served 10 years of a 15-year prison sentence when convicted of embezzling thirty-eight million dollars as manager of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union in Nebraska. He was later served with a $1 million default judgment after he failed to appear in court to respond to civil charges of kidnapping and child abuse. On February 1, 1991, former Nebraska state senator John DeCamp filed a civil suit on behalf of Paul Bonacci, against the Catholic Archbishop of Omaha and Lawrence E. King, as well as businessmen Peter Citron, Alan Baer, Harold Andersen, Michael Hoch, Kenneth Bovasso and other Nebraska persons and institutions) More detailed reading here|



Bundling an unfortunate and no doubt disturbed product of society like Venebals under the banner 'Real Criminals' when they're about as worthy of radar coverage as local sports club five aside football players are in the premier division. I'm not interested in the little suburban urchin who's minds been distorted and poisoned by society and it's disgusting pshycologically grooming mainstream media programming, I'm interested in exposing the poisoners. Not predictiably spewing forth hate, ranting and raving about the tabloid pie meat used to distract the public and encite a skitzoid sick collective public mind to lust after the death penalty, like I'm supposed to do.

Get ahead and post what you've godda post, but you're doing exactly what you've been programmed to do, which is cultivate feelings of hatred and a desire to kill or see others killed, usually those at the very bottom of the totem pole. Whilst througout this point of sheer importance those at the top of that totem pole appear in your other postings as some holier than thou left right lab-con public relations chicken coup entities, far above the phsycoligically perverted likes of Venebals. Oh dear.




^ In six parts.


This is one of the problems we're facing. The public mind is running around trying to hang the pawn. You sound full of hate and anger, I just wish you'd use that anger more constructively by the looks of things.

And besides, the heroic Wilcox (Whom I have nothing against and I'm sure is a very nice lady, weather or not she still agrees with capital punishment or not I don't know) has somewhat shot her ethic structure in the foot slightly by saying "I'm a singer, not a politician, and I want people to escape from things like that through my songs"

Agreed, lets escape from the broader picture and focus in on one little disturbed mind once every couple of years yes, then get back to buying 'The most epic movie title of this year', 'one of the best albums to be released in the past decade', 'new mCChicken twist s*hits from McDonalds', 'mmm Corination St Omnibus yes please' listening to the songs of Toyah Wilcox and 'Oooh, look at that evil soul I'm quite disgusted Tumbridge Wells oh dear, can we kill him please, I need to know whats happening in the world stick ABC on have we got pudding? wow pop-tarts yeah please!' , 'I feel much better about myself now I know there are such sick people scrambling around on their tod out there' ad infinitum.

This years disturbed mind is Derrick Bird. And when society and our mainstream media is done feeding off his actions there'll be another. But I can guarantee he'll be a poor old sod who's got nowt, rather than a Knight of the Grand Cross, Commander of the Order of the British Empire, Order of The Crown, Order Of Chivalry, Officer Of The Legion of Honor, Kebesaran Panglima Setia Mahkota, Evergreen Group – Founder leatcherous magnate with hundreds of billions to his name.

You got your reaction friend but it'll be the last time.

I'm done with this place I think ta'da.
 
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Urchin? I've never heard Venables called that before! Perhaps we should tell James Bulger's mum that she shouldn't really judge him too harshly, seeing she only read about her son's murder in the paper, which naturally clouded her judgement! ( Oh, and heard it from the police and saw the evidence as well, not to mention going through the court case and hearing all the details. How handy all that was for Mr. Murdoch's 'programmers'!)

Maybe it's time to de-programme the 'urchins' which Miss. Willcox complained about. However, had it been possible for a whizzkid son of a Home Secretary to hook 'urchin' Sutcliffe up to his Commodore 64, to make him all lovely and de-programmed again, then I'm sure it would have been done by now. As it is, it's best to at least lock his kind away for the sake of all concerned for good. The only 'programming' that lot do are to themselves.


I agree that people should be more proactive in the big things rather than throw themselves into Coronation Street and oven chips, but whatever else you can say about the society we live in at least it delivers the goods. We're in recession but not depression and we have 24-hour telly, pubs and services as well as cheap consumer items and instant cash. The kind of luxury we wanted since the end of the war, and then some and some again, maximised. When that goes people will wake up, and it may soon when Peak Oil truly bites.


There have been powerful people committing crimes too, though the likes of the Earl of Sandwich are less likely to con their way into an old woman's house before beating her up for the tenner in her teapot. These criminals may only be small fry to you, but there are more of them and they hurt people like me. So naturally I want them dealt with for the security of more people at once. And if that makes me 'hateful', then so be it. I'll leave doubting of criminals' guilt to you, even though you say yourself you've no reason to do so.
 
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...But alright, alright. Let's assume Venables is a mere innocent then:

Brighton priest defends comments about "innocent" Jon Venables (From The Argus)


Because it MUST be his fault mustn't it?! The responsibility for his actions can't lie with everyone else in the world, especially the media and sheep-led Public!

It might be nice to have some evidence and links to explain why he's a pawn rather than another vague, almost random conspiracy claim. (Even the holocaust deniers put more effort in.) But then there probably isn't any to link to.


The only 'Venables' I feel sorry for is this one:

Innocent man's plea: 'I'm not Jon Venables' | The Sun |News




I just wish you'd use that anger more constructively.

There we are. Brain activated.
 
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Sick wanker. Amazing how such a cute kid could be such a devil.
 
Basically, as a loyal BNP supporter, RoP wants a judicial system based on public revenge.

The BNP wants to see sentencing which reflects more accurately the outrage and desire for retribution reflected in the popular press and the bar-room. If that means life-meaning-life for awful crimes committed by children, so be it. If that means reintroduction of the death penalty, so be it. They don't mince their words, but they do mistake the sane majority belief in a judicial system that at least makes a nod towards rehabilitation for the dictatorship of a minority "liberal lefty" elite.

The fact is that the overwhelming majority of the political spectrum in Britain (with the exception of the far-right fringe) does not believe in the reintroduction of the death penalty, nor in the capitulation to mob instinct in relation to sentencing and parole as advocated by the tabloid press.

Of course there will be heinous crimes that will continue to be committed, whatever the judicial policies of the state. The US experience shows how little capital punishment or three-strikes-and-you're-out policies have brought violent crime down to even the levels of "crime-ridden" Britain.

I really don't know what RoP would have the authorities do with Venables. All I can make out is that:
  1. He should never have been released after serving 10 years in youth custody
  2. He should be identified and located so that a lynch mob could save us the bother of trying him
  3. He should be tried by a jury that knows who he is so that they can vent the "public" anger at his too-lenient sentencing for the Bulger murder
  4. On reaching the age of 18 he should probably have been hanged

Which bit have I got wrong, RoP? In your own words please, I already know what the Mail, The Sun and the rest of the hang 'em and flog 'em media says.
 
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For someone showing such faux-outrage when accusing me of it, you're quick to come out with the erratic points and wispy inference of guilt by some kind of association. Nice try Marxist.



Aside from the bald lies that most people don't want capital punishment back and that it doesn't work (hell, even Ben Elton knows most of us want it and that MORI pols regularly put figures between 60-70%), let's address these points then:

1. Indeed yes. Pervos can get way more than that. And there was no problem dishing out a life stretch for Tony Martin, well until we kicked up a stink before the review, proving that good men who flout the PC rules are seen as the worst criminals. The countless sackfuls of birthday cards and letters for young Vegetable were conspicuous by the absence as well!

2. I have no idea where that floater popped up from.

3. Everyone knows who Venables is. And juries are the Public, a Public unable to pass sentence themselves at that.

4. Even in the old days we never hung youngsters, even ones interested in hurting babies so bad that they die in excruciating agony by a railway. But he should still have been caged for many a long decade because he knew full well what he was doing. (And you'd think after the outrage of the Mary Bell case, the politicians would know what's expected of them.)



There are just some people you can't rehabilitate, so off to the scaffold should have marched the likes of Shipman or the many faceless thug killers. And others can be, but should still sit in jail for a very long time because of the severity of the crime. The stick shouldn't be shortened because the carrot is responded to. Well, not by more than a bit or by making prison life even harder for the even scummier.

And if wanting capital punishment back allows other people to confuse justice with red-misted revenge, then it all goes to show how low ordinary people are held by the Powers That Be and all the little 'useful idiots' (Lenin) who think they know better than everyone else.





(...And as for 'mob revenge', I never noticed anyone on the Left criticising it in the case of Mussolini! Indeed it was other armed leftists who captured him trying to sneak into Austra in 1945!)



BITS-N-BOBS:


Even LGBT-Headquarters recognise it:
Ipsos MORI | Poll | Survey for Channel 4 on attitudes towards the death penalty

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/8132026._Danger_to_children__gets_20_year_sentence/

Some states in America show a definite impact on the crime rate due to capital punishment whilst others don't. Know-all leftards only pick the one side and use it to speak for everybody, as usual: Pro Capital Punishment Page
 
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....Though for the life of me I've never grasped why the trendy left make such a fuss over the wellbeing and feelings of vicious criminal slime, especially said slime don't care a tinker's for the likes of you or me. After all, they're in jail for a reason and those reasons are invariably nasty.

Why not pour all that angst into worrying about crime VICTIMS? Yes, these forgotten victims who receive naff-all state aid, whilst under Labour the country suffered a surplus of Taxpayer-funded support groups for criminals. Even the convicted paedos now have one.


I suspect that the reason they're so much louder, when baying for sponsorship of the criminal, is because the Red effluent have themselves become arrogant and aloof in their disconnection from decent values and Public morals!

These Leftards never did have their heads screwed on straight, which is probably why Labour had to admit that their child poverty record was appalling, at the same time as consciously ordering NO more jails be built until 2008, having judges ordered to cage fewer animals, overseeing SKY TV being installed in prison cells and increasingly slashed jail sentences.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...HENS-A-genuine-Tory-speaks--Dave-flannel.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/mar/12/prisonsandprobation.ukcrime , etc, etc.

Judges can slash ever more: http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Drug-dealer39s-jail-term-cut.5991229.jp
 
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There'll be many a milk-sop 'liberal' afterbirth (but with only half the intelligence of an actual one) prepared to empathise with this guy:
Runaway schoolgirl Lisa Wright's affair with grandad Glyn Trowbridge ends in tears | News Of The World

There'd be no dedicated prison 'reform' nutjobs if there weren't! They certainly give themselves needless work trying to soften the system for creatures like this:
'Killer joked that he put schoolgirl lover in his kebabs' | Mail Online


Let the hemp-sandalled beardies 'reform' the glint-eyed murderers on parole, whilst the Harmanesque society-wrecking 'wimmin' can get close and personal with some lovely 'misunderstood' brutal rapists. On their own money, in their own homes until they die. Then see how long their 'morality' lasts!

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Evil-rapist-and-murderer-faces.4929821.jp
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/article1161741.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_west/7196170.stm , etc.
 
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