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Who are the job creators? (1 Viewer)

Excon said:
Irrelevant, as our country's poverty is that of being well off in comparison to true poverty.
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Compared to what? Mali? The cost of living there is less.
 
JP Hochbaum said:
The owner is definitely not a millionaire, there are a few partners who probably make less than 250k a year. And I get full bennies for the wife and I.

IN every previous job I had as an inusrance agent, I had the same deal.

Anyways get back to the basics. Millionaires could never exist without people who buy their goods/services.

Consumers HAVE to exist before a millionaire is created, there is no chicken or egg issue here.
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If they are making $250k annual, you can bet their assets make them millionaires, unless they waste their money.
 
Excon said:
Compared to what? The comparison was already made.
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1.

a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price: She gave him the job of mowing the lawn.


2.

a post of employment; full-time or part-time position: She was seeking a job as an editor.


3.

anything a person is expected or obliged to do; duty; responsibility: It is your job to be on time.


4.

an affair, matter, occurrence, or state of affairs: to make the best of a bad job.


5.

the material, project, assignment, etc., being worked upon: The housing project was a long and costly job.

Job | Define Job at Dictionary.com


1.

a person or thing that creates.


2.

the Creator, God.

Creator | Define Creator at Dictionary.com

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Buddha C said:
1.

a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price: She gave him the job of mowing the lawn.


2.

a post of employment; full-time or part-time position: She was seeking a job as an editor.


3.

anything a person is expected or obliged to do; duty; responsibility: It is your job to be on time.


4.

an affair, matter, occurrence, or state of affairs: to make the best of a bad job.


5.

the material, project, assignment, etc., being worked upon: The housing project was a long and costly job.

Job | Define Job at Dictionary.com


1.

a person or thing that creates.


2.

the Creator, God.

Creator | Define Creator at Dictionary.com

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You are providing information that is irrelevant to what you quoted. :doh
 
Excon said:
You are providing information that is irrelevant to what you quoted. :doh
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Are you serious?

Can you not fracking read?

Whatever, I'm sorry I wasted My time.
 
Buddha C said:
Are you serious?

Can you not fracking read?

Whatever, I'm sorry I wasted My time.
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Yes I am serious and yes I can read.
Your ability to understand what you read is what is apparently in question as the information you provided is irrelevant to what you quoted.


So to further help you out, lets expand on this.
What you quoted was about a comparison of poverty.
Did you get that? About a comparison of poverty.
You replied to it with irrelevant info about the word "job".
Did you get that?
Let me repeat that just in case you misread it or something.


It had nothing to do with the information you provided about the word "job".
Do you really not understand these things?
 
Excon said:
Yes I am serious and yes I can read.
Your ability to understand what you read is what is apparently in question as the information you provided is irrelevant to what you quoted.


So to further help you out, lets expand on this.
What you quoted was about a comparison of poverty.
Did you get that? About a comparison of poverty.
You replied to it with irrelevant info about the word "job".
Did you get that?
Let me repeat that just in case you misread it or something.


It had nothing to do with the information you provided about the word "job".
Do you really not understand these things?
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I was defining Job Creator for you from a previous argument because I didn't feel like going back a page.

I'm sorry, I thought you'd be able to put two and two together. My mistake.

Anyways:

Let's take this from an axiomatic perspective:

The _____ is always right.

Is it

A. The Business Owner

B. The Capital Owner

C. The Worker

or D. The Customer?

We'll be right back after this short break.
 
Buddha C said:
I was defining Job Creator for you from a previous argument because I didn't feel like going back a page.

I'm sorry, I thought you'd be able to put two and two together. My mistake.

Anyways:

Let's take this from an axiomatic perspective:

The _____ is always right.

Is it

A. The Business Owner

B. The Capital Owner

C. The Worker

or D. The Customer?

We'll be right back after this short break.
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Excuses, excuses. Lame.
Excuses for being lazy? Very telling.

Don't blame me for your mistakes in proper discourse.


As for you providing definitions intending to address some other thing said? Irrelevant, as the discussion was about a very specific set of circumstances.
An employer being the job creator vs that of the consumer being called the job creator.
By the very meaning of those words, the employer is the job creator. Not the consumer.

Those who want to spin reality don't seem to understand this, and then want to introduce other irrelevant information into the discussion such as the Government being an employer when it doesn't even compare with that of business.
 
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Excon said:
Excuses, excuses. Lame.
Excuses for being lazy? Very telling.

Don't blame me for you inability to engage in proper discourse.


As for you providing definitions intending to address some other thing said? Irrelevant, as the discussion was about a very specific set of circumstances.
An employer being the job creator vs that of the consumer being called the job creator.
By the very meaning of those words, the employer is the job creator. Not the consumer.

Those who want to spin reality don't seem to understand this, and then want to introduce other irrelevant information into the discussion such as the Government being an employer when it doesn't even compare with that of business.
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Didn't you say that the government was Not a Job Creator, and What if had to confront you on that stupidity? Bah, whatever. I'm the dillusional one without any polemic ability.

I concede, you win Your Highness!
 
Buddha C said:
Didn't you say that the government was Not a Job Creator, and What if had to confront you on that stupidity? Bah, whatever. I'm the dillusional one without any polemic ability.
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Why don't you read what has actually been said? If you do, then you will know what has been said and what wasn't.
So let me refresh your memory.
They do not compare.
A Government employes folks with collected taxes.
While a business does so through profit of a product.
And a business involves risks that a Government does not have to assume.
The two are not comparable.





Buddha C said:
you win Your Highness!
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You still haven' learned to cease with the personal attacks, huh? Figures.
 
Excon said:
Why don't you read what has actually been said? If you do, then you will know what has been said and what wasn't.
So let me refresh your memory.
They do not compare.
A Government employes folks with collected taxes.
While a business does so through profit of a product.
And a business involves risks that a Government does not have to assume.
The two are not comparable.





You still haven' learned to cease with the personal attacks, huh? Figures.
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Personal attacks?

I may have been sarcastic, but I was just saying kindly that I was tired of yelling at a brick wall.

Do I need to get on my knees and entreaty to you in order to not personally 'attack' you? Lol.
 
Buddha C said:
Personal attacks?

I may have been sarcastic, but I was just saying kindly that I was tired of yelling at a brick wall.

Do I need to get on my knees and entreaty to you in order to not personally 'attack' you? Lol.
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I see you do not know what a personal attack is. :shrug:
Figures.
 
Excon said:
I see you do not know what a personal attack is. :shrug:
Figures.
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To use your favorite line as adequately as you do:

Irrelevant.

Lol xP
 
csbrown28 said:
Wrong.
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So you want to be wrong also?
:shrug:
What else is new?




Buddha C said:
Excon said:
Wrong.
You are using it improperly.
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That was the entire point.
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:doh

Just more dishonesty on your part.
Your point was not that you were using it improperly.

What it was, was a lame attempt by you at mocking, and it failed.
You used it improperly, whereas I had not.

That is why it was hilarious of others to like your post.
They too did not comprehend what was said.
 
JP Hochbaum, the question to be asked should not be ”who are the job creators” but we should be concerned as to what government policies would better promote our numbers of jobs and the median wage’s purchasing power.
Among the economic concepts that rattle around within my mind are these three proposals:

(1) The (as usual gradual increase of the federal minimum wage rate) to $10.10/Hr. and thereafter annually updating the rate similarly to the updating of Social Security retirement benefits which stay abreast with the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar.
Refer to: http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/122290-consequences-repealing-minimum-wage-rates-2.html

(2) Funding Medicare entirely by a federal sales tax and the funding of Social Security Administration’s retirement and disabled programs to be equally shared by the FICA payroll taxes and a federal sales tax.
Refer to: http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/109880-fica-s-our-most-regressive-federal-tax-4.html

(3) Enactment of a USA unilateral Import Certificate global trade policy.
Google wikipedia’s “import Certificates” article.
You may also appreciate the paragraphs entitled “Trade balances’ affects upon their nation’s GDP” within the Wikipedia article entitled “Balance of trade“.
Additionally you may refer to
http://www.debatepolitics.com/econo...e-deficit-increase-gdp-and-median-wage-7.html

Respectfully, Supposn
 
Excon said:
1.) This topic has already been posted.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/197946-pitchforks-coming-us-plutocrats.html ...
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Excon, we apparently agree the original posters of this thread, “Who are the job creators?” posted by JP Hochbaum and the thread entitled “The pitchforks are coming … for us plutocrats” posted by TheDemSocialist seem to both be addressing the same issue.

I consider JP Hochbaum’s title to be more explicit; his question at very least touches, (I consider it as grabbing) the crux of the issue being discussed.

[I.E. while perusing the board, I perceived no reason to look into the clever but inexplicitly entitled “The pitchforks are coming … for us plutocrats” thread].

I do regret that neither original posters offered explicit proposals for increasing our numbers of jobs and our median wage. It’s not necessary to suggest remedies but it’s always of interest to those who delve into the issues being discussed.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
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imagep said:
Excon said:
1.) This topic has already been posted.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/197946-pitchforks-coming-us-plutocrats.html

2.) The claim that it is the middle class, in-general, is false. They do not create the jobs.
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Speak for yourself.
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WTF?
In regards of the topic, your reply makes no sense.



I'm Supposn said:
Excon, we apparently agree the original posters of this thread, “Who are the job creators?” posted by JP Hochbaum and the thread entitled “The pitchforks are coming … for us plutocrats” posted by TheDemSocialist seem to both be addressing the same issue.

I consider JP Hochbaum’s title to be more explicit; his question at very least touches, (I consider it as grabbing) the crux of the issue being discussed.

[I.E. while perusing the board, I perceived no reason to look into the clever but inexplicitly entitled “The pitchforks are coming … for us plutocrats” thread].

I do regret that neither original posters offered explicit proposals for increasing our numbers of jobs and our median wage. It’s not necessary to suggest remedies but it’s always of interest to those who delve into the issues being discussed.

Respectfully, Supposn
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Same issue based on the same source material.
 
Excon said:
WTF?
In regards of the topic, your reply makes no sense....
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He indicated that middle class folks can't be job creators. I am middle class, and I started a business and have employees. If that doesn't fit the definition of job creators I don't know what does.

By a small majority, most Americans work for small businesses, and according to Fox News, 98% of small business owners are NOT in the top income tax bracket, thus around half of all jobs are created by middle class folks.
 
imagep said:
He indicated that middle class folks can't be job creators. I am middle class, and I started a business and have employees. If that doesn't fit the definition of job creators I don't know what does.

By a small majority, most Americans work for small businesses, and according to Fox News, 98% of small business owners are NOT in the top income tax bracket, thus around half of all jobs are created by middle class folks.
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:doh
Which makes no sense to what I said or to the actual topic.
You, the individual, is not the middle class, as in the majority of consumers, which is what was being spoken about by that claim.
 
Excon said:
:doh
Which makes no sense to what I said or to the actual topic.
You, the individual, is not the middle class, as in the majority of consumers, which is what was being spoken about by that claim.
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When about half of all jobs are created by middle class folk like me (the small business owner), it's quite clear that the middle class are job creators, and that's without even mentioning the fact that the middle class is our worker-consumer class which is the primary demand generator and supplier of labor.

In some aspect or another, most everyone is a job creator, no sense in pretending like it is only the rich.
 
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