leftofabbie
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It's not a matter of being a loyal American or not. It's a matter of PRINCIPLES; which are something this nation's political system lost contact with a long time ago.
Its a anti-tax increase pledge. Funny how you left the Increase part out in order to make it seem as though republicans want to abolish taxes altogether.The Pledge: Grover Norquist's hold on the GOP - CBS News
Pledging ourselves out of democracy | The Great Debate
If anyone were to suggest that members of the House and Senate should abandon their own judgment and instead follow a strict dogma laid down by an outside body, we would be appalled. And if it were proposed that the president should be little more than a rubber stamp to sign any and all legislation presented to him by Congress, we would throw up our hands in horror.
So, is signing Norquist's "no tax" pledge disloyal to Americans?
Yeah, it's too bad we don't have any principled anti-segregation congressmen anymore. Principals are great, it's why gays are still a targeted minority by the federal government. It's why we had a Civil War. Yeah, unmovable ideological principles are something we are desperately missing these days. :roll:
The Pledge: Grover Norquist's hold on the GOP - CBS News
Pledging ourselves out of democracy | The Great Debate
If anyone were to suggest that members of the House and Senate should abandon their own judgment and instead follow a strict dogma laid down by an outside body, we would be appalled. And if it were proposed that the president should be little more than a rubber stamp to sign any and all legislation presented to him by Congress, we would throw up our hands in horror.
So, is signing Norquist's "no tax" pledge disloyal to Americans?
principles my arse....these 'representatives' sold out their constituents...they were elected to represent their districts/states, not the will of norquist.It's not a matter of being a loyal American or not. It's a matter of PRINCIPLES; which are something this nation's political system lost contact with a long time ago.
principles my arse....these 'representatives' sold out their constituents...they were elected to represent their districts/states, not the will of norquist.
without a doubt...Exactly. These people who pledge their ass to Grover should be run out of Congress.
Its a anti-tax increase pledge. Funny how you left the Increase part out in order to make it seem as though republicans want to abolish taxes altogether.
It could argued that not signing Norquits no tax increase pledge is disloyal to America. These clowns in office already spend more then what they receive. So why on God's green earth do you think its a smart idea to give these clowns more money? Do you honestly think these clowns in office are going to magically stop increasing the amount of money they spend just because you give them more money? If these people were actually serious about reducing the debt they would start cutting programs left and right and get back to the basic. Make the cuts first and then talk increases.
You're right, it's a pro-tax pledge.
that makes no sense (again)
So you think it is a neutral-tax pledge?
Pro-tax
Anti-tax
Neutral-tax
Which is it?
Yeah, it's too bad we don't have any principled anti-segregation congressmen anymore. Principals are great, it's why gays are still a targeted minority by the federal government. It's why we had a Civil War. Yeah, unmovable ideological principles are something we are desperately missing these days. :roll:
principles my arse....these 'representatives' sold out their constituents...they were elected to represent their districts/states, not the will of norquist.
"American"-Of, relating to, or characteristic of the United States or its inhabitants.
By definition it is perfectly American since signing petitions and pledges has been done for the entire history of our country. If you want to make a point that signing this pledge was a bad thing, arguments could be made for that, but this is not one of them. This is just plain old hyper-partisan stupidity.
You're right, it's a pro-tax pledge.
I disagree, some of those who sign the pledge are coerced into signing. I think there is an implied "sign it if you want to keep your job."
principles my arse....these 'representatives' sold out their constituents...they were elected to represent their districts/states, not the will of norquist.
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