White House border czar suggests ICE can detain people based on ‘physical appearance’

[ClaraD]

I don't see it as justifies as she has the required documentation she can carry to be trouble-free.

Why should she be required to prove she’s innocent? Do you realize how often they are accusing citizens of having fake papers right now?
Seriously, not all of these folks are ICE . In Hispanic communities and immigrant communities we know casarecompensas are out and about and not operating within the law

 

[Lovebug]

What does that have to do with what Homan said? He provided a laundry list of things that altll together might rise to the level of reasonable suspicion. Don't be a useful idiot for MSNBC. Be better.

Ah, there's the translation that fits the Maga narrative.
He said it. Stop making excuses, please.
When was the last time we read about retaining lilly white folks?
Any Irish being hunted and rounded up?

 

[Hamish Howl]

What does that have to do with what Homan said? He provided a laundry list of things that all together might rise to the level of reasonable suspicion. Don't be a useful idiot for MSNBC. Be better.

He said based on appearance.

They just go through the observation, get our typical facts — based on the location, the occupation, their physical appearance, their actions.”

So basically a list of stereotypes. Which of those 4 things give reasonable suspicion?

 

[CimpleMan]

What a shock!! Immigration agents using the ethnicity of a migrant as a way to detain illegal border crossers? Never heard of that one before. You want to call it profiling? I call is common sense when deciding whether someone should be detained for closer scrutiny.
If the migrants don't like it, then they shouldn't be sneaking into our country.

Hispanic's in SoCal account for 47% of the population. What's happening is indiscriminate enforcement of immigration laws without probable cause on people who account for about half of SoCal.

Will need more to go on when stopping people in public than just looking like they could be here illegally. At the moment a Federal Judge has paused many tactics be used by immigration enforcement.

 

[Trumpetman]

But it is.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/southern-california-father-who-is-u-s-citizen-arrested-during-immigration-raid-family-says/

One of the detained men who was later released spoke to KTLA but asked not to be identified out of safety concerns. He said he was violently grabbed and taken by the agents despite being a U.S. citizen.

“He slammed me to the gate,” the man told KTLA’s Ellina Abovian. “He put my hands behind my back. I’m an American citizen. You do not do that to Americans.”

So a source who is anonymous gives his side of the story and thus it is gospel.

Did he resist? Did he interfere? Did he have priors or warrants of his own not related to immigration that he thought might be related to this?

We don't know.

 

[Trumpetman]

He said based on appearance.



So basically a list of stereotypes. Which of those 4 things give reasonable suspicion?

Stereotypes are the W questions now? Who, what, when where how?

 

[CLAX1911]

White House border czar suggests ICE can detain people based on ‘physical appearance’

Tom Homan’s comments about ICE agents being able to detain people based on “their physical appearance” will likely make racial profiling concerns worse.

www.msnbc.com

Ah, so racial profiling.

Just another example of this physically repulsive looking tumor in a suit being a racist sack of shit and god awful person.

When it's in MSNBC source I automatically think it's fake.

 

[The Brad Dad]

If said physical appearance resembles the physical appearance of a wanted criminal,

Yes, that is a specific description of a person wanted for a specific crime. Demanding ID from brown people because they're brown is not that. The 4th amendment protects us from that.

 

[Jezcoe]

One of the detained men who was later released spoke to KTLA but asked not to be identified out of safety concerns. He said he was violently grabbed and taken by the agents despite being a U.S. citizen.

“He slammed me to the gate,” the man told KTLA’s Ellina Abovian. “He put my hands behind my back. I’m an American citizen. You do not do that to Americans.”

So a source who is anonymous gives his side of the story and thus it is gospel.

Did he resist? Did he interfere? Did he have priors or warrants of his own not related to immigration that he thought might be related to this?

We don't know.

The government dropped the case against Ramirez.

There is video so they kind of had to.

So what does that tell us about ICE showing up at a business and roughing up US citizens because they look illegal?

U.S. Attorney’s Office Quietly Drops Case Against American Citizen Arrested In Montebello ~ L.A. TACO

When the agent questioned U.S.-born Javier Ramirez about his citizenship, the feds claimed that Ramirez refused to talk to them, despite video footage showing that Ramirez repeatedly told agents he had his passport on him.

lataco.com

 

[Lord of Planar]

So they don't talk about what's happening in the actual world where you get your news?

Torture would be news everywhere.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Why should she be required to prove she’s innocent? Do you realize how often they are accusing citizens of having fake papers right now?
Seriously, not all of these folks are ICE . In Hispanic communities and immigrant communities we know casarecompensas are out and about and not operating within the law

Yep. We do have people taking the law into their own hands, and they belong in jail.

 

[Lovebug]

One of the detained men who was later released spoke to KTLA but asked not to be identified out of safety concerns. He said he was violently grabbed and taken by the agents despite being a U.S. citizen.

“He slammed me to the gate,” the man told KTLA’s Ellina Abovian. “He put my hands behind my back. I’m an American citizen. You do not do that to Americans.”

So a source who is anonymous gives his side of the story and thus it is gospel.

Did he resist? Did he interfere? Did he have priors or warrants of his own not related to immigration that he thought might be related to this?

We don't know.

How about daring ICE to wear body cams? If they aren't doing anything wrong they shouldn't have a problem with that.
Let's hear it for transparency.

 

[Lord of Planar]

How about daring ICE to wear body cams? If they aren't doing anything wrong they shouldn't have a problem with that.
Let's hear it for transparency.

And also show they might be doing something right.

 

[Trumpetman]

The government dropped the case against Ramirez.

There is video so they kind of had to.

So what does that tell us about ICE showing up at a business and roughing up US citizens because they look illegal?

U.S. Attorney’s Office Quietly Drops Case Against American Citizen Arrested In Montebello ~ L.A. TACO

When the agent questioned U.S.-born Javier Ramirez about his citizenship, the feds claimed that Ramirez refused to talk to them, despite video footage showing that Ramirez repeatedly told agents he had his passport on him.

lataco.com

Prosecutors drop charges all the time.

Your link shows that they didn't do what they did for no reason.

In a criminal complaint filed on June 13, a border patrol agent accused Ramirez of “attempting to conceal himself between two nearby vehicles,” while they “engaged in a consensual encounter” with another person. The agent believed that Ramirez's actions were “suspicious.”

Ramirez then allegedly ran towards the agent, who was standing near the entrance of the parking lot, and collided with them. The impact of the collision allegedly threw the border patrol agent “off balance” and caused the agent’s phone to fall to the ground.

When the agent questioned Ramirez about his citizenship, the feds claimed that Ramirez refused to talk to them, despite video footage showing that Ramirez repeatedly told agents he had his passport on him.

The agent also accused Ramirez of resisting arrest and biting them on their left thigh, according to the complaint.

This wasn't just about cracking some heads on a brown person. Those are some pretty serious allegations and while we do have the one viral video we haven't seen the government footage.

That said, detainment is a pretty normal police procedure. You and others keep giving it this nefarious intent. Every time you are pulled over for a traffic violation you are detained. If you act appropriately and cooperate nothing happens but you can easily find a thousand videos where people speed off, act strange, jump out of their car and so on and they end up with more serious charges and basically can have the crap kicked out of them.

When someone is in a high risk situation they aren't going to negotiate your compliance with their life.

 

[Trumpetman]

How about daring ICE to wear body cams? If they aren't doing anything wrong they shouldn't have a problem with that.
Let's hear it for transparency.

I saw several bodycams in the viral video. I did not seem them on every officer but then it wasn't clear who shot the video.

If you've ever watched bodycam footage cops love it. They regularly point at it and tell the stupid people acting foolish that it's all being recorded.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Torture would be news everywhere.

Will you get down on your knees for 8 hours with no bathroom breaks and no food and no moving?

Can you arrange for one of your friends to come over and beat you with a stick two or three times during that period?

Also have your friend kick you a couple of times while you shit yourself.

Then report back here and tell me if it's torture.

And there's no way you can convince me that when you were a kid growing up people didn't teach you that actions like that were not wrong and to never do it or never approve of other people doing it or never support people who would allow it to happen.

Now, don't really get on your knees for 8 hours. I really don't want you to shit yourself.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Will you get down on your knees for 8 hours with no bathroom breaks and no food and no moving?

Can you arrange for one of your friends to come over and beat you with a stick two or three times during that period?

Also have your friend kick you a couple of times while you shit yourself.

Then report back here and tell me if it's torture.

And there's no way you can convince me that when you were a kid growing up people didn't teach you that actions like that were not wrong and to never do it or never approve of other people doing it or never support people who would allow it to happen.

Now, don't really get on your knees for 8 hours. I really don't want you to shit yourself.

You have quite the active imagination.

 

[Taylor]

I was stopped based on nothing other than my name is Hispanic in origin

You were pulled over by ICE?

I've been pulled over based on nothing other than it was late (California). Also been pulled over because I looked poor (Nevada).

 

[Taylor]

Ah, there's the translation that fits the Maga narrative.
He said it. Stop making excuses, please.
When was the last time we read about retaining lilly white folks?
Any Irish being hunted and rounded up?

That's not what he said. Quit lying.

 

[Taylor]

He said based on appearance.



So basically a list of stereotypes. Which of those 4 things give reasonable suspicion?

None of those are stereotypes. All can give reasonable suspicion.

If someone reports a theft, and you get stopped because you match the description (appearance), are in the area of the incident (location), and look like you are trying to avoid the police (actions), of course they can question you.

What criteria do you think should be used for reasonable suspicion if not appearance, location, and actions?

 

[ClaraD]

You were pulled over by ICE?

I've been pulled over based on nothing other than it was late (California). Also been pulled over because I looked poor (Nevada).

I was pulled by an agency that works together in immigration enforcement with ICE

 

[ClaraD]

None of those are stereotypes. All can give reasonable suspicion.

If someone reports a theft, and you get stopped because you match the description (appearance), are in the area of the incident (location), and look like you are trying to avoid the police (actions), of course they can question you.

What criteria do you think should be used for reasonable suspicion if not appearance, location, and actions?

65 million Latinos live in the US. 8 million across all ethnic groups are undocumented, including whites. So, 65 million should be harassed because 4 million are brown and undocumented?

 

[Taylor]

How about daring ICE to wear body cams? If they aren't doing anything wrong they shouldn't have a problem with that.
Let's hear it for transparency.

They wore them for about a year. Then people started posting information on how you could track them and use the information to set off improvised explosives. No more body cams. Hopefully they can bring them back when they work out the safety issues.

Border Patrol ditching body cameras: Report

The policy change applies to all operational activities and was reportedly driven by social media posts on how to identify agents.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Taylor]

65 million Latinos live in the US. 8 million across all ethnic groups are undocumented, including whites. So, 65 million should be harassed because 4 million are brown and undocumented?

Right. So it's silly to assume that they're pulling people over simply because they have a Spanish name. Roughly 1/3 of ICE agents are Latino.

Do you refer to yourself as a "brown person." LatinX? The left is having a hard time trying to pigeonhole people under an umbrella term for its identity politics aims.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

The US constitution applies to citizens and LEGAL residents only.

This is not the slightest bit true.