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White House border czar suggests ICE can detain people based on ‘physical appearance’

trumptman said:
It is much like with driving on the roads.

The authorization to work must be proven via documentation since the employer collects taxes.
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Law enforcement does not have the authority to simply show up at a place of business and demand ID's.

Why would anyone want to live in that system?
 
Jezcoe said:
The Officer refused to identify themselves and would not provide any information past "you look like someone we are looking for"

So since the officers would not identify themselves... it becomes very hard to get recompense from the government.

This is the situation that we are in right now. Law enforcement who refuse to identify themselves, conceal their identity, using dubious reasoning to detain and ID people and operating without impunity.

It isn't great.
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I don't disagree. Ideally, this information should be obtainable through a FOIA request such than an individual who feels they were wrongfully detained can bring suit against the Federal government. ICE certainly has record of who is doing what to whom and when, and this information would be discoverable via a lawsuit.
 
trumptman said:
The police state was the COVIDIANS demanding papers please, a mask, and to be fired, have your kids taken and more if you did not comply.

Trump is a big upgrade from that.
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I see them both as part and parcel authoritarian bullshit. If your ok with one but not the other, you’re a damn hypocrite.
 
lwf said:
I don't disagree. Ideally, this information should be obtainable through a FOIA request such than an individual who feels they were wrongfully detained can bring suit against the Federal government. ICE certainly has record of who is doing what to whom and when, and this information would be discoverable via a lawsuit.
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I have my doubts that ICE is keeping records of these encounters.

As far as I have seen they are not operating like any other policing force.
 
Jezcoe said:
Law enforcement does not have the authority to simply show up at a place of business and demand ID's.

Why would anyone want to live in that system?
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That isn't happening. Your limited comprehension is the problem here.

CSharp said:
I see them both as part and parcel authoritarian bullshit. If your ok with one but not the other, you’re a damn hypocrite.
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No one cares about your judgement.
 
Jezcoe said:
So this encounter where the ICE agent used the excuse “you look like someone we are looking for” to forcibly get a citizen’s ID and refused himself to give his name and badge number…. A justified detention with probable cause?

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Immediate suspension in Canada.

Exceptions in under cover, but failing to produce a badge is serious no no country

Actually it's so tight-assed here a mountie can get suspended for not wearing his/her hat oudoor
 
Lord of Planar said:
So a question for you. Are you a US citizen or legal resident? My girlfriend is now afraid to travel. She is 100% legal with passport, permanent resident green card, and social security number. The Cuban fear in Florida is high, and she is afraid to travel back here to Portland since the last trip she made from my place here in Portland to Florida-Cuba-Florida. Even though the Trump administration action have caused this, I do not see it being a problem for her, except she is now afraid. I think she should have no problem traveling to Portland with her passport and green card.
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She has justified reasons to be afraid. I am a citizen and traveling only when I have to.
 
Isidore said:
How does one determine citizenship or legal status based on physical appearance?
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What a shock!! Immigration agents using the ethnicity of a migrant as a way to detain illegal border crossers? Never heard of that one before. You want to call it profiling? I call is common sense when deciding whether someone should be detained for closer scrutiny.
If the migrants don't like it, then they shouldn't be sneaking into our country.
 
CimpleMan said:
You don't think there's abuse of reasonable suspicion of the right to question and detain happening by immigration enforcement personnel here in SoCal?
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I think it occurs. It occurs in all of law enforcement. But I don't think it's the norm.
 
ClaraD said:
She has justified reasons to be afraid. I am a citizen and traveling only when I have to.
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I don't see it as justifies as she has the required documentation she can carry to be trouble-free.
 
ClaraD said:
Nope its your buddy’s prejudice
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It's your prejudice. You're the one that brought up "brown people" in regards to immigration. It's your biased view. Be better.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Okay. What other part of someone's appearance would give you reasonable suspicion?
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What does that have to do with what Homan said? He provided a laundry list of things that altll together might rise to the level of reasonable suspicion. Don't be a useful idiot for MSNBC. Be better.
 
trumptman said:
That isn't happening. Your limited comprehension is the problem here.
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But it is.


Family members are demanding answers after they say a man who is a U.S. citizen was wrongfully arrested by federal agents during an immigration raid in Montebello.


On June 12, surveillance video captured the moment several masked and armed agents surrounded a tow truck business in Montebello.


The agents quickly entered the property and began detaining mechanics and other workers at the site.


One of the detained men who was later released spoke to KTLA but asked not to be identified out of safety concerns. He said he was violently grabbed and taken by the agents despite being a U.S. citizen.




“He slammed me to the gate,” the man told KTLA’s Ellina Abovian. “He put my hands behind my back. I’m an American citizen. You do not do that to Americans.”


Nataly Degante, whose cousin, Javier Ramirez, 32, was arrested in the raid, said that while agents began handcuffing everyone, they reportedly never provided identification or information about why they were there.
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