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While everyone's speculating on who wrote the NYT op-ed . . .

trixare4kids said:
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If I know my Marine Corp Generals Kelly is probably rattling cages like a 7.0 earthquake and the San Diego Zoo right about now.
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No doubt, that guy is all business. ;)
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Well, that, or... he may be the guy behind it.:shock:
 
I tend to agree with David French in this piece, in which he says that if things really are as stated in the op-ed, then it's the author's duty to come forward and name names. If there's truly that much at stake, then everyone needs to know, and needs to know now.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...or-trump-administration-official-open-letter/

In Bob Woodward’s new book and your Times piece, Americans now face claims that the president’s staff often decides his orders are so outlandish that they must be ignored. We face claims that members of his own administration have sought to thwart his will in part by literally taking documents off his desk and hoping he doesn’t notice. And now there’s even a claim that Trump’s behavior was so outlandish and unstable that “there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment.”

Allegations don’t get much more explosive than that.

So here’s what you have to do: You have to identify yourself. You have to state the basis of your claims, name the cabinet members who “whispered” about removing the president, and state the reasons for their alarm. If what you say is true, the American people need to know. You need to tell them, and you need to do it not in a television interview or the pages of the Times, but in Congress, under oath, in front of the nation.

Yes, this will be hard. But if you truly believe the president is unfit, basic patriotism demands nothing less.
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The NYT, openly and fully anti-Trump, declares an unnamed person who is in the executive branch of government - which has TWO MILLION employees - wrote a letter claiming that Trump is insane and everyone in the executive branch of government hates him - for which the unnamed author declares s/he covertly is doing all possible to circumvent presidential authority for his/her own agenda as "the resistance."

With this, many people became almost orgasmic in joy at this absolutely worthless NYT anti-Trump piece #4,428.
 
vesper said:
I have no problem questioning Woodward's motives. Since Watergate Woodward and Bernstein became the story. Since then Woodward has still tried to be the story with every president since. Bernstein on the other hand is now a political hack on CNN. So far there have been a number of people high up in the Trump administration claiming the quotes accredited to them are false. Woodward did not interview these people yet took the hearsay of an un-named source to include it in his book. This book, the timing of its release should also be weighed toward Woodward's intentions. When you add it all up personally I find it hard to believe Woodward's intentions were not to actually seek the truth but rather his view of what the truth is.
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His motive is to make money off book sales.
 
Harshaw said:
. . . I'm not seeing a lot of worry about what the op-ed means for our Constitutional order.

It represents appointees of the President blatantly defying the President and substituting their own policies for his.

If the President is terrible, there are a few legitimate courses of action:

1) If he's really, really bad, then impeachment.

2) If he's so bad that you feel you can't carry out his policies in good conscience, then you should resign, and say why.

3) There are those who argue that the 25th Amendment should be invoked. I don't buy that argument, but if you do, then invoke it.

But this under-cover defiance of the Executive within the Executive branch is properly a Constitutional crisis. It's also properly called a coup.

No matter what you think of Trump, doesn't that bother you?
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I know you are saying you have not seen a lot of worry, but Gina has broached this topic here. It's a very good OP.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/330150-something-rotten.html
 
Harshaw said:
I tend to agree with David French in this piece, in which he says that if things really are as stated in the op-ed, then it's the author's duty to come forward and name names. If there's truly that much at stake, then everyone needs to know, and needs to know now.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...or-trump-administration-official-open-letter/
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I agree completely with him.
Stop being a coward, quit the job, and go and talk in front of congress. Save the country!

Like the above is going to happen. :lol:
Whoever this anonymous clown is, they will be outted before they ever out themselves.
 
Harshaw said:
. . . I'm not seeing a lot of worry about what the op-ed means for our Constitutional order.

It represents appointees of the President blatantly defying the President and substituting their own policies for his.

If the President is terrible, there are a few legitimate courses of action:

1) If he's really, really bad, then impeachment.

2) If he's so bad that you feel you can't carry out his policies in good conscience, then you should resign, and say why.

3) There are those who argue that the 25th Amendment should be invoked. I don't buy that argument, but if you do, then invoke it.

But this under-cover defiance of the Executive within the Executive branch is properly a Constitutional crisis. It's also properly called a coup.

No matter what you think of Trump, doesn't that bother you?
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He hasn't been removed at the point of a gun...its not a coup...a coup is what happened June 28, 2009 in Honduras...the coup was the right thing, but it was a coup...this is not a coup...its dirty politics, but not a coup
 
I highly doubt there would even be any such anonymous letter if Republican voters demanded that their representatives in Congress fulfill their responsibility as a check on abusive Executive power.
 
Harshaw said:
. . . I'm not seeing a lot of worry about what the op-ed means for our Constitutional order.

It represents appointees of the President blatantly defying the President and substituting their own policies for his.

If the President is terrible, there are a few legitimate courses of action:

1) If he's really, really bad, then impeachment.

2) If he's so bad that you feel you can't carry out his policies in good conscience, then you should resign, and say why.

3) There are those who argue that the 25th Amendment should be invoked. I don't buy that argument, but if you do, then invoke it.

But this under-cover defiance of the Executive within the Executive branch is properly a Constitutional crisis. It's also properly called a coup.

No matter what you think of Trump, doesn't that bother you?
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More than the coup, it bothers me that this was necessary in the first place and that they haven't done the above three things you mentioned.
 
biglawnmower said:
the letter is fake. anyone could have made up that crap saying they are a senior advisor lol. they gave no real specifics, just stuff rachel maddow the nutjob would say.

no one believes the authenticity of this OPINION piece by an UNKNOWN source
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Guess it's so fake that Trump is hell-bent on finding out who the author was.
 
ClaraD said:
He hasn't been removed at the point of a gun...its not a coup...a coup is what happened June 28, 2009 in Honduras...the coup was the right thing, but it was a coup...this is not a coup...its dirty politics, but not a coup
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Now we know why the most eminent and important General McMaster quit.

Out anonymous so we can trash him, like Mueller. The Republican Battle Cry 😭
 
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