Which GOP Candidate For POTUS Would Be Best For USA/World?

[donhughesmusic]

Saying that Chris Christie is the best GOP candidate is akin to saying its better for the dog to poop on the deck instead of on the kitchen table. Yes, its better but not by much.

Which is why if there is a Biden/Trump rematch, I see voter turnout being at its lowest in decades. No wonder why the younger generation is turning to Socialism. I don't think Socialism is the answer, but we haven't showed our younger generation shit since 2001!!!

 

[ataraxia]

No.

Other countries are fully capable of determining what's best for themselves. There should be NOBODY trying to tell the entire planet what is best for them.

Neighborhoods do that all the time for each other. What makes you think you could ever live in a neighborhood where no one can tell any of their neighbors anything? The world today is just a small, crowded, and highly interdependent neighborhood. We don't live in a vacuum. I think that's what folks with a conservative/liberterian mindset lack: realizing that we don't live in a vacuum as citizens in a country, or as a country on a planet. They think everything can exists in a vacuum.

It's a dysfunctional mindset and leads to some pretty poor consequences.

 

[donhughesmusic]

See the links in post #42 and point out to me what is "Trump first".

I learned a long time ago not to take any politician at their word. It is their actions that matter. You seem to forget about the lie Trump told Chris Wallace in July 2020 that he was signing a complete and comprehensive health care bill "in two weeks". That never happened.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Keep kidding yourself.

You can't predict the future, and neither can I.

 

[ataraxia]

There is nothing in Trump's agenda that will "destroy the planet".

Denial of climate change science certainly will. So will blowing up all our relationships with our closest allies for a very selfish view of the world. America and its citizens not live in a vacuum. It's a bad worldview and leads to poor long term outcomes.

 

[Lisa]

Which is why if there is a Biden/Trump rematch, I see voter turnout being at its lowest in decades. No wonder why the younger generation is turning to Socialism. I don't think Socialism is the answer, but we haven't showed our younger generation shit since 2001!!!

The younger generation is turning to a social-democratic form of government. They aren't authoritarian socialists.

 

[Mycroft]

Neighborhoods do that all the time for each other. What makes you think you could ever live in a neighborhood where no one can tell any of their neighbors anything? The world today is just a small, crowded, and highly interdependent neighborhood. We don't live in a vacuum. I think that's what folks with a conservative/liberterian mindset lack: realizing that we don't live in a vacuum as citizens in a country, or as a country on a planet. They think everything can exists in a vacuum.

It's a dysfunctional mindset and leads to some pretty poor consequences.

The flaw in your "neighborhood" analogy is that there is a governmental authority in control of neighborhoods. There is no such authority in the world.

I have never advocated for "living in a vacuum". I do advocate that all US foreign relations hold America First as their guiding principle when dealing with other countries.

 

[Loulit01]

Abraham Lincoln.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Maybe the better question in a hyperpartisan age is which of those candidates is best for thr GOP? Which broadens their appeal the most while alienating the fewest in the base?

Hard to say, but it's not Trump or DeSantis.

 

[Mycroft]

I learned a long time ago not to take any politician at their word. It is their actions that matter. You seem to forget about the lie Trump told Chris Wallace in July 2020 that he was signing a complete and comprehensive health care bill "in two weeks". That never happened.

Trump's goals and policies are what drives him and what defines his actions. The fact that he has not been successful in achieving them is not because of him lying about them.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You can't predict the future, and neither can I.

I can assure you that Asa Hutchinson and Ron DeSantis don’t have equal chances of winning the RNC primary.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Trump's goals and policies are what drives him and what defines his actions. The fact that he has not been successful in achieving them is not because of him lying about them.

Respectfully, his history shows that it is money and fame that define his actions.

 

[Dragonfly]

For the claim that "xxxxx" doesn't have a chance, but then Christie is currently leading this poll is something I find interesting.

Dude hasn't even officially announced he's running yet.

Clearly the ball can be in anyone's court.

 

[donhughesmusic]

I can assure you that Asa Hutchinson and Ron DeSantis don’t have equal chances of winning the RNC primary.

I guess math isn't your strong suit. Polls are not votes. The polls were wrong in 2016 remember?

 

[ataraxia]

The flaw in your "neighborhood" analogy is that there is a governmental authority in control of neighborhoods. There is no such authority in the world.

Yes, it is a mess in that way. But that’s not a reason to not act neighborly anyway.

I have never advocated for "living in a vacuum". I do advocate that all US foreign relations hold America First as their guiding principle when dealing with other countries.

That’s a nice thought, and I understand the sentiment. But in practice, What Trump’s policies were were doing was leading America to isolationism.

How ‘America First’ Became America Alone

In his desperation to restore and showcase American strength, Donald Trump has made the country weaker.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[ttwtt78640]

Neighborhoods do that all the time for each other. What makes you think you could ever live in a neighborhood where no one can tell any of their neighbors anything? The world today is just a small, crowded, and highly interdependent neighborhood. We don't live in a vacuum. I think that's what folks with a conservative/liberterian mindset lack: realizing that we don't live in a vacuum as citizens in a country, or as a country on a planet. They think everything can exists in a vacuum.

It's a dysfunctional mindset and leads to some pretty poor consequences.

WTF? Which neighborhood (city or state) tells another neighborhood (city or state) how they should (must?) live “all the time”?

 

[Dragonfly]

Trump's goals and policies are what drives him and what defines his actions.

Trump is a cancer.

No matter what you think, or how hard you campaign for him.

Rational folks, even rational conservatives understand how dangerous he is.

 

[JMB802]

This thread is a great example of how politics have morphed into some third-grade zero-sum game for some conservatives. All they can focus on is the win. Or on who would most anger the libs.

They refuse to even speculate about the common good.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Trump's goals and policies are what drives him and what defines his actions. The fact that he has not been successful in achieving them is not because of him lying about them.

Trump told Maggie Haberman in an interview he ran for President because he had rich friends. Doesn't sound like policies and actions are defining him in his own words

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/26/politics/donald-trump-president-quote-maggie-haberman-book/index.html

 

[Winston]

Asa H. Isn’t totally insane

 

[Dragonfly]

This thread is a great example of how politics have morphed into some third-grade zero-sum game for some conservatives. All they can focus on is the win. Or on who would most anger the libs.

They refuse to even speculate about the common good.

Some people forget that the "U" in "USA" stands for "United".

We need a POTUS that can unite this country.

 

[Dragonfly]

Asa H. Isn’t totally insane

A good quality.

 

[ataraxia]

WTF? Which neighborhood (city or state) tells another neighborhood (city or state) how they should (must?) live “all the time”?

I was talking about living in a neighborhood. Our planet is a single small neighborhood- the "global village". It sounds like you have never lived in a neighborhood with any bylaws. They all have laws about how they should behave, pretty much "all the time". I wanted to do landscaping, and had to get permission. I wanted to put up solar panels, and had to get permission, I wanted to change my roof, and had to get permission, etc, etc... It doesn't stop!

And neighborhoods tell other neighborhoods what to do all the time too- it's called city or county government.

Do you live on an isolated farm or something?

 

[Dragonfly]

I was talking about living in a neighborhood. Our planet is a single small neighborhood- the "global village". It sounds like you have never lived in a neighborhood with any bylaws. They all have laws about how they should behave, pretty much "all the time". I wanted to do landscaping, and had to get permission. I wanted to put up solar panels, and had to get permission, I wanted to change my roof, and had to get permission, etc, etc... It doesn't stop!

And neighborhoods tell other neighborhoods what to do all the time too- it's called city or county government.

Do you live on an isolated farm or something?

HOA's

Some stricter than others.

Some good, some great, and some are horrendous.
Best to know what you're signing up for before you sign that's for sure.

 

[Winston]

A good quality.

I honestly barely remember pre-Trump Republicans.

I know they were trending insane before Trump arrived on the scene too.