Where is the Outrage?

[Sababa]

So all week I have had to not only deal with lies about Israel, people saying Israel is committing genocide, targeting civilians etc. etc. But even more so there are those outraged by civilian deaths in Gaza....about 1000 if you believe the reports. But here is the thing. In Iraq there have been more than 5000 civilian deaths and there aren' t a dozen threads screaming about that. In Syria 125,000 by conservative estimates, and where are the pictures, the headlines. Where are the calls of genocide at the same level. Apparently if Israel fights back it is evil. If others try to wipe out all the Christians in Mosul that is not worth the sweat. I wonder why?

 

[Goshin]

So all week I have had to not only deal with lies about Israel, people saying Israel is committing genocide, targeting civilians etc. etc. But even more so there are those outraged by civilian deaths in Gaza....about 1000 if you believe the reports. But here is the thing. In Iraq there have been more than 5000 civilian deaths and there aren' t a dozen threads screaming about that. In Syria 125,000 by conservative estimates, and where are the pictures, the headlines. Where are the calls of genocide at the same level. Apparently if Israel fights back it is evil. If others try to wipe out all the Christians in Mosul that is not worth the sweat. I wonder why?

You know why.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

I love when we play the "let's pretend everything is the same" game.

 

[Sababa]

I love when we play the "let's pretend everything is the same" game.

I see you have no answer.....or do you just think an Iraqi and Syrian life is worth less than someone in Gaza?

 

[Ikari]

I see you have no answer.....or do you just think an Iraqi and Syrian life is worth less than someone in Gaza?

Would it be any different than your opinion that Palestinian life is worth less than Israeli?

 

[Sababa]

Would it be any different than your opinion that Palestinian life is worth less than Israeli?

that is not true.....and your statement and lack of response says more about you.

 

[Ikari]

that is not true.....and your statement and lack of response says more about you.

1000 civilians to what 38 military and 2 civilians. Yet I hear nothing but excuses as to why that 1000 had to die

Your deflection and lack of response says more about you.

 

[Manc Skipper]

So all week I have had to not only deal with lies about Israel, people saying Israel is committing genocide, targeting civilians etc. etc. But even more so there are those outraged by civilian deaths in Gaza....about 1000 if you believe the reports. But here is the thing. In Iraq there have been more than 5000 civilian deaths and there aren' t a dozen threads screaming about that. In Syria 125,000 by conservative estimates, and where are the pictures, the headlines. Where are the calls of genocide at the same level. Apparently if Israel fights back it is evil. If others try to wipe out all the Christians in Mosul that is not worth the sweat. I wonder why?

The total Israeli deaths from rocket attacks since 2001 stood at 28 to this month. That number of Gazan deaths was passed on the first day. 1,000 deaths and several razed communities later, there's no sign of it ending. What do you expect?

 

[Sababa]

1000 civilians to what 38 military and 2 civilians. Yet I hear nothing but excuses as to why that 1000 had to die

Your deflection and lack of response says more about you.

i ask the question you build false comparisons. I understand apparently you won't answer my question, I answered why people die in Gaza. You don't like the answer because you want to make Israel sinister.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

I see you have no answer.....or do you just think an Iraqi and Syrian life is worth less than someone in Gaza?

I think that I'm not going to answer questions based on false premises.

 

[Ikari]

i ask the question you build false comparisons. I understand apparently you won't answer my question, I answered why people die in Gaza. You don't like the answer because you want to make Israel sinister.

False comparison? Yet you made the direct comparison yourself in this thread as the OP. So is it a proper comparison, or false comparison? It don't go both ways.

 

[Sababa]

The total Israeli deaths from rocket attacks since 2001 stood at 28 to this month. That number of Gazan deaths was passed on the first day. 1,000 deaths and several razed communities later, there's no sign of it ending. What do you expect?

OH MY GOD not this **** again. Israelis in the south have been living under seige for months and not a word from people like you. Israel response and suddenly it is a tragedy. Tell you what....go live in Ashkelon for a week and then come back and talk about this.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Why on earth might people find Israel's behaviour "sinister"? Maybe this?

"When I served, the Israeli military was the most moral in the world. No more
Once there was widespread Israeli outrage over the bombing of homes in Gaza. Now there is just indifference... "

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...itary-most-moral-no-more-outrage-indifference

 

[Sababa]

I think that I'm not going to answer questions based on false premises.

no false premise.......i understand where you stand now. Thank you.

 

[CanadaJohn]

The total Israeli deaths from rocket attacks since 2001 stood at 28 to this month. That number of Gazan deaths was passed on the first day. 1,000 deaths and several razed communities later, there's no sign of it ending. What do you expect?

Sometimes when you poke a bear, the bear swipes your head off your shoulders. Lesson being, don't provoke someone or something significantly more powerful than you unless you're prepared to suffer the consequences.

 

[PeteEU]

So all week I have had to not only deal with lies about Israel, people saying Israel is committing genocide, targeting civilians etc. etc. But even more so there are those outraged by civilian deaths in Gaza....about 1000 if you believe the reports. But here is the thing. In Iraq there have been more than 5000 civilian deaths and there aren' t a dozen threads screaming about that. In Syria 125,000 by conservative estimates, and where are the pictures, the headlines. Where are the calls of genocide at the same level. Apparently if Israel fights back it is evil. If others try to wipe out all the Christians in Mosul that is not worth the sweat. I wonder why?

1) Media coverage of the gaza conflict is far superior compared to that of Syria and Iraq. Basically, the western media has access to both sides... something that they do not have in Syria or in Iraq. They can see with their own eyes the total disproportionate use of force by Israel and people outside the US also get the facts about what happens daily for the last 50+ years in the occupied territories.

2) Syria has been going on for years now.. people are numb to it. The media coverage is limited to say the least, because of the dangers. Journalists cant report from rebel areas because of inter rebel fighting and no one trusts the Syria government it seems, so any story from that side is "tainted".

3) Iraq has been in the mess it is in since 2003 when Bush JR decided to screw with things. The complexities of what he unleashed in 2003 are beyond the attention span of most people. Again getting access to Mousul is impossible. Hell we only think we know what is going on there, but in reality ISIL can say whatever they want and we cant confirm it. The front-lines are also not very well defined so who controls what is .. it is very complex. At best we get the usual pro Kurdistan propaganda on some of the stations, but that again is due to media access.

In the end, for the world to care, we need information and preferably pictures. Having live CAMs focused on Gaza as buildings and people are being destroyed... well that kinda (at least for a while) interests us till the next big thing distracts us.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

...go live in Ashkelon for a week...

What is the incidence of Hamas induced death and injury for folks in Ashkelon?
Is it as dangerous as Chicago or east St. Louis?

 

[bubbabgone]

no false premise.......i understand where you stand now. Thank you.

That's the reason I didn't want the Hamas/Israel threads banished and then isolated.
They really do help to identify what you're dealing with.

 

[Sababa]

Why on earth might people find Israel's behaviour "sinister"? Maybe this?

"When I served, the Israeli military was the most moral in the world. No more
Once there was widespread Israeli outrage over the bombing of homes in Gaza. Now there is just indifference... "

When I served, the Israeli military was the most moral in the world. No more | Yuli Novak | Comment is free | The Guardian

Total deflection and you are using a member of Breaking the Silence...not exactly an unbiased source.

But you can start a thread about the Israeli military problems, there are plenty. This is not that thread.

 

[bubbabgone]

1) Media coverage of the gaza conflict is far superior compared to that of Syria and Iraq. Basically, the western media has access to both sides... something that they do not have in Syria or in Iraq. They can see with their own eyes the total disproportionate use of force by Israel and people outside the US also get the facts about what happens daily for the last 50+ years in the occupied territories.

2) Syria has been going on for years now.. people are numb to it. The media coverage is limited to say the least, because of the dangers. Journalists cant report from rebel areas because of inter rebel fighting and no one trusts the Syria government it seems, so any story from that side is "tainted".

3) Iraq has been in the mess it is in since 2003 when Bush JR decided to screw with things. The complexities of what he unleashed in 2003 are beyond the attention span of most people. Again getting access to Mousul is impossible. Hell we only think we know what is going on there, but in reality ISIL can say whatever they want and we cant confirm it. The front-lines are also not very well defined so who controls what is .. it is very complex. At best we get the usual pro Kurdistan propaganda on some of the stations, but that again is due to media access.

In the end, for the world to care, we need information and preferably pictures. Having live CAMs focused on Gaza as buildings and people are being destroyed... well that kinda (at least for a while) interests us till the next big thing distracts us.

4) Conditions in Libya & Egypt after Obama screwed with things.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Sometimes when you poke a bear, the bear swipes your head off your shoulders. Lesson being, don't provoke someone or something significantly more powerful than you unless you're prepared to suffer the consequences.

That's such tired nonsense. Can't you be bothered to think of an original piece of pablum? The indifference mentioned in my ink appears infectious.

 

[PeteEU]

4) Conditions in Libya & Egypt after Obama screwed with things.

LOL talk about partisan bull****. Gadaffi might have fallen under Obama's watch and maybe even with a bit of help, but the end of Gadaffi was started under Bush and his "freedom movement" in the middle east. Same goes for Egypt. The day Bush Jr wanted to take out Saddam, was the day that Mubark and Gadaffi´s were numbered.

But saying that, the situation in Egypt is well documented... at least outside the US.

Libya is another matter, and is similar to Syria/Iraq.. too dangerous to send reporters into the area to report on things.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Total deflection and you are using a member of Breaking the Silence...not exactly an unbiased source.

But you can start a thread about the Israeli military problems, there are plenty. This is not that thread.

Here's some more outrage...

Uprooted Palestinian: Why I'm on the brink of burning my Israeli passport

 

[CanadaJohn]

That's such tired nonsense. Can't you be bothered to think of an original piece of pablum? The indifference mentioned in my ink appears infectious.

What's tiring about the truth? I guess if you're always fighting the truth, that does get tedious for you.

 

[Sababa]

1) Media coverage of the gaza conflict is far superior compared to that of Syria and Iraq. Basically, the western media has access to both sides... something that they do not have in Syria or in Iraq. They can see with their own eyes the total disproportionate use of force by Israel and people outside the US also get the facts about what happens daily for the last 50+ years in the occupied territories.

except your statement makes no sense. I know what is going on in Iraq and Syria. In fact a fake story about female genital mutilation was debunked quickly. But again you talk about disproportional response. What would be proportional one? Lobbing rockets unguided? Because that is what Hamas is doing.

2) Syria has been going on for years now.. people are numb to it. The media coverage is limited to say the least, because of the dangers. Journalists cant report from rebel areas because of inter rebel fighting and no one trusts the Syria government it seems, so any story from that side is "tainted".

Hamas has been lobbing rockets for years. You just only pay attention when Israel fights back.

3) Iraq has been in the mess it is in since 2003 when Bush JR decided to screw with things. The complexities of what he unleashed in 2003 are beyond the attention span of most people. Again getting access to Mousul is impossible. Hell we only think we know what is going on there, but in reality ISIL can say whatever they want and we cant confirm it. The front-lines are also not very well defined so who controls what is .. it is very complex. At best we get the usual pro Kurdistan propaganda on some of the stations, but that again is due to media access.

Actually that is not totally true and the info from Gaza shows the truth is still problematic there.

In the end, for the world to care, we need information and preferably pictures. Having live CAMs focused on Gaza as buildings and people are being destroyed... well that kinda (at least for a while) interests us till the next big thing distracts us.

That is great....but the outrage is about civilian deaths....there are lots of places civilians are dying and no one seems to care. It only seems to happen when Israel fights back.