When should the government be able to force surgery on you?

[Elmo]

It's a pretty simple hypothetical. Pretend there is a surgery which will probably not kill you, but carries a real risk of long term harm to your physical and mental health. For the options involving other people, imagine they're harvesting an organ which you don't need to live but could save lives.

Under what conditions should the government be allowed to force you to undergo the operation? What justification/reason would make that use of force moral/ethical in your opinion? Note that the constitution/current law is not relevant to this hypothetical. I'm looking for personal opinions, not legal analysis.

 

[noonereal]

Where did this question come from?

 

[Grand Mal]

It's a pretty simple hypothetical. Pretend there is a surgery which will probably not kill you, but carries a real risk of long term harm to your physical and mental health. For the options involving other people, imagine they're harvesting an organ which you don't need to live but could save lives.

Under what conditions should the government be allowed to force you to undergo the operation? What justification/reason would make that use of force moral/ethical in your opinion? Note that the constitution/current law is not relevant to this hypothetical. I'm looking for personal opinions, not legal analysis.

What?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

It's a pretty simple hypothetical. Pretend there is a surgery which will probably not kill you, but carries a real risk of long term harm to your physical and mental health. For the options involving other people, imagine they're harvesting an organ which you don't need to live but could save lives.

Under what conditions should the government be allowed to force you to undergo the operation? What justification/reason would make that use of force moral/ethical in your opinion? Note that the constitution/current law is not relevant to this hypothetical. I'm looking for personal opinions, not legal analysis.

Too vague.

 

[Elmo]

Where did this question come from?

What?

I don't think I was being very subtle. But fine. A significant portion of the population thinks it's fine to deny abortion access using government force. Thereby forcing thousands of women to undergo a potentially risky medical procedure, among many other challenges associated with pregnancy.

Common justification for this use of government force is that a "human life" (i.e. fetus) is at stake. And that her decisions led to the need in the first place (i.e. she knew the risks when she chose to have sex with or without protection).

I think the parallels in the poll are pretty obvious. I want to see if anti-abortion folks remain morally consistent when it's not just women at risk of being oppressed.

 

[noonereal]

I don't think I was being very subtle. But fine. A significant portion of the population thinks it's fine to deny abortion access using government force. Thereby forcing thousands of women to undergo a potentially risky medical procedure, among many other challenges associated with pregnancy.

Common justification for this use of government force is that a "human life" (i.e. fetus) is at stake. And that her decisions led to the need in the first place (i.e. she knew the risks when she chose to have sex with or without protection).

I think the parallels in the poll are pretty obvious. I want to see if anti-abortion folks remain morally consistent when it's not just women at risk of being oppressed.

Whatever

Really dumb poll.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Where did this question come from?

I think I get it. Abortion bans, forced pregnancies, and birth. We wouldn't do that under any other circumstance to anyone else.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Kudos! That's exactly how bizarre it feels, and has always felt.

 

[eman623]

No one forces a pregnant mom to have a surgery. Well, maybe biology.

 

[Grand Mal]

No one forces a pregnant mom to have a surgery. Well, maybe biology.

No. But Ohio wants to force a ten-year-old rape victim, with a ten-year-old pelvis, to carry her pregnancy to term.

 

[Hari Seldon]

No. But Ohio wants to force a ten-year-old rape victim, with a ten-year-old pelvis, to carry her pregnancy to term.

That still boggles my mind. Also the mother that needed an abortion because the fetus was not viable and she wanted more kids. Going to term would have likely prevented that. Just insane.

 

[Grand Mal]

That still boggles my mind. Also the mother that needed an abortion because the fetus was not viable and she wanted more kids. Going to term would have likely prevented that. Just insane.

It's unbelievably dystopian. It's like a fiction novel that can't be scripted for TV or film because nobody could accept that it could be real.

 

[VySky]

Meh…. They tried to bully me into taking a stupid vaccine I didn’t want.

So yea, why not surgery?

They don’t have all those buildings at FEMA re-education camps for nothing.

Fauci and Biden can pound sand on that.

 

[Elmo]

No one forces a pregnant mom to have a surgery. Well, maybe biology.

A pregnant woman has two options: abortion, or 9 months of pregnancy and then giving birth. Abortion is the vastly safer option, so when the government denies it they are absolutely forcing a more dangerous surgery.

 

[roguenuke]

No one forces a pregnant mom to have a surgery. Well, maybe biology.

So if she decides she doesn't want to have a C section she can just refuse that until an abortion is needed to remove dead fetus?

 

[Gordy327]

Meh…. They tried to bully me into taking a stupid vaccine I didn’t want.

So yea, why not surgery?

They don’t have all those buildings at FEMA re-education camps for nothing.

Fauci and Biden can pound sand on that.

No one was forced to get a vaccine. But the government is effectively forcing a woman to gestate against her will by restricting abortion.

 

[Gordy327]

A pregnant woman has two options: abortion, or 9 months of pregnancy and then giving birth. Abortion is the vastly safer option

It's also cheaper.

so when the government denies it they are absolutely forcing a more dangerous surgery.

Not only that, the state is restricting a woman's autonomy, effectively making her a ward of the state due to pregnancy, with is a violation of the 13th Amendment.

 

[zincwarrior]

It's a pretty simple hypothetical. Pretend there is a surgery which will probably not kill you, but carries a real risk of long term harm to your physical and mental health. For the options involving other people, imagine they're harvesting an organ which you don't need to live but could save lives.

Under what conditions should the government be allowed to force you to undergo the operation? What justification/reason would make that use of force moral/ethical in your opinion? Note that the constitution/current law is not relevant to this hypothetical. I'm looking for personal opinions, not legal analysis.

Its a state issue so post Dobbs, whenever they feel like it.

 

[Gordy327]

Its a state issue so post Dobbs, whenever they feel like it.

That's giving way too much power to the states and risks infringing on the Constitutional principle of personal autonomy.

 

[zincwarrior]

That's giving way too much power to the states and risks infringing on the Constitutional principle of personal autonomy.

Haven't you heard? SCOTUS has affirmed that we have no Constitutional principles of personal autonomy. Its open season now.
I say the state requires all white males be castrated when they reach 13. Imagine the levels of crime that won't occur!

 

[eman623]

A pregnant woman has two options: abortion, or 9 months of pregnancy and then giving birth. Abortion is the vastly safer option, so when the government denies it they are absolutely forcing a more dangerous surgery.

What more dangerous surgery?

 

[Gordy327]

What more dangerous surgery?

A C-section for one. Or any prenatal surgeries that might become e necessary if there's a complication during pregnancy. Birth itself isn't safer.

 

[Lisa]

Meh…. They tried to bully me into taking a stupid vaccine I didn’t want.

They didn't bully you but were trying to save your life, as well as to stop you from spreading a virus to others in your short-sighted views. You are part of a very interconnected society, so we have public health considerations for the health and welfare of all, despite your own short-sighted views.

So yea, why not surgery?

They don’t have all those buildings at FEMA re-education camps for nothing.

Oh, really?

Fauci and Biden can pound sand on that.

Do you feel bullied by a blue medical mask or a Anthony Fauci press conference?

 

[Gordy327]

They didn't bully you but were trying to save your life, as well as to stop you from spreading a virus to others in your short-sighted views. You are part of a very interconnected society, so we have public health considerations for the health and welfare of all, despite your own short-sighted views.

Oh, really?



Do you feel bullied by a blue medical mask or a Anthony Fauci press conference?

Taking medical advice to protect one's own health and others health by extension is somehow being "bullied?" I guess some people have nothing better to do than to whine about nothing.

 

[Elmo]

What more dangerous surgery?

See #22.